Is This How Next Season Unfolds?

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    Is This How Next Season Unfolds?

    We begin next season at near last in the league, until trades in Dec and Feb, then the team makes considerable improvement (and momentum for next year) and we end the season as just making the top 10 lottery group.  We're not winning squat, but we're not intentionally "tanking" either.  No good coach instills that mentality with his players.  But this season will be to position the team for next year so:

    1. Rondo - will be allowed to fully heal and only begins playing in late October to showcase his skills and good health in preparation for a December trade.

    2. Bradley - Plays some PG and is given the greenlight to shoot often from the outside to build accuracy and confidence. Who cares if he misses frequently (not tanking, but...).

    3. Green - is the go-to guy. He builds his potential and swagger as the team leader and stud.  

    4. Wallace - is a main man off the bench with his number called frequently to position for December or Feb trade.

    5. Sully - plays sparingly to fully recover, until after the Rondo trade in December, when the PF position is thinned out and the new team begins to take form.

    6. Bass - starts at PF and given the ball so he can be showcased for December or Feb trades.  Bass is priority trade bait.

    7. Humphries -  Plays mostly center! If not traded, he's benched in later part of season and we leverage expiring contract.

    8. Oylnyk - is played sparingly at both PF and Center.  He plays extremely well and Fans will rebel, until he is sharing minutes at PF with Sully in the later part of the season (with a new center on board via Rondo trade).

    9. Lee - emerges as the big surprise in the new system.  He plays both PG and SG very well and becomes a key contributor and keper.

    10. Brooks - meh. gets hot from the outside and an occasional big game, but is like a poor man's  Eddie House.  

    11. Crawford - starts at SG when Bradley at the point and is inconsistent but one of the team's leading scorers.  

    12. Colton - Back and forth from D League   

    13. Shavlik - Back and forth from D League. 

    14. Melo - back and forth but mostly stays in D League for much needed playing experience 

    15. Joseph - roster filler at SF

    16. Bogans - is a complete waste and traded or released outright depending upon team injuries.

    Long term keepers:  Bradley, Lee, Green, Sully, Olynyk, Melo

    Trade priority:  Rondo, Bogans, Wallace, Bass, Humphries = Center (starter), PG, SF in return

    Wait and see:  Crawford, Brooks, Colton, Joseph, Shavlik 

     

     

     
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    I don't understand how Rondo is a trade priority when Jeff Green is not. They're both allstars they both have deals expiring at the same time (if Green opts out of the player option, which I think he does), and both make similar money.

     

    Call me crazy, but I think Rondo, Green and xyz all-star with a solid supporting cast can contend in the weak east. ESPECIALLY, if Dany doesn't trade away all of these picks for the xyz allstar.

     

    If we could put together a package or make a QO for: Love/Monroe/Cousins/MGasol/Noah next summer while keeping a core of Rondo & Green and some supplementary players like Bradley, Sullinger, Olynyk ... we can contend.

     

    If we can build a competing team around Rondo next summer, I am positive we can get him to sign a semi-friendly contract extension. PLUS, we own his rights so it could be like a 5 year 80M deal. Jeff could be had at a 5 year 60M deal. The key is we have a steady influx of young pieces on rookie contracts to fill in around those two guys.

     

    Call me crazy, but I'm right on this.

     
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    Good article on what may be next with the C's ...

     

    http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/8/15/4626484/whats-next-for-the-celtics-after-the-fab-melo-deal

     

    Like many, I [the writer, Jeff Clark] was hoping for some kind of trade that would either offload long term contracts or bring back something of value while shaving enough money off the cap for this year to avoid the luxury tax.  I imagine that Danny Ainge looked long and hard for options that would be beneficial to the Celtics short and long term plans.

    Unfortunately it seems that nothing could be accomplished on that front.  So to cut costs, the Celtics first had to cut the hard working Shavlik Randolph.  Now they've made a trade to send Fab Melo (a first round pick just a year ago) in exchange for a guy (Donte Greene) that they are likely going to cut.

    So what's next?  Is there another shoe that's going to drop?  Perhaps, but then again, maybe not.  At least not right away.

     


    1. Donte Green still has an outside shot at making the Celtics.


    While unlikely, it's possible that Greene could show enough in training camp to stick around as an end-of-the-rotation three/four type behind the likes of Jared Sullinger, Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and Gerald Wallace. He's always been a tantalizing prospect due to his combination of size (6-foot-11) and shooting touch (he shot 37.7 percent from deep in 76 appearances, including 50 starts, for the 2009-10 Sacramento Kings as a 21-year-old), but he's always graded out as a poor rebounder for his size and position, and as an inconsistent defender despite physical tools that would seem to make him an ideal fit to guard multiple positions.

    If the Celtics made another deal that cut costs, they could hang onto Greene and see if he could develop to be a better prospect than Fab Melo.  They don't really have to make a decision any time soon.  If I understand the rule correctly, the luxury tax is calculated on the roster payroll at the end of the year, and the last chance the team has to shed salaries is at or around the trade deadline.

     

    2. The Celtics can't combine Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, or MarShon Brooks in a trade with other players until September 12.  They also can't trade Keith Bogans in a trade until December 15.

    So for example, if the Celtics wanted to package the expiring contracts of Kris Humphries and Jordan Crawford to a team looking to offload someone making $16M or so, that deal would have to wait another month at least.  I'm guessing that no deal like that is out there, but you never know. Don't forget that James Harden was traded to Houston right at the start of the season.  The Rockets were able to pounce because they had the assets to get a deal done.

    That's what Ainge is trying to do.  Put himself in position to make a move if opportunity knocks.  These small transactions and staying under the luxury tax are all designed to maintain flexibility. Between the draft picks, expiring contracts, and a nice traded player exception, the Celtics have the firepower to recreate the kind of megadeals that kicked off the last era back in 2007.


    ... the larger trades and franchise altering moves [may] have to wait until the trade deadline at the earliest and more likely next offseason (or even later, depending on the team's patience and threshold [for] pain).

     
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    Wanna bet Rondo is NOT going to get traded in December?

    Why do you want to get rid of Rondo prematurely?

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    Fierce, its irrational hate. You just can't ask "why?" and expect a reasonable answer.

     

    You got to trade Rondo because he's got to be traded. Its that simple.

     
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    In response to R9R's comment:

      You just can't ask "why?" and expect a reasonable answer.



    Jeez... R9R... posters have tried about a thousand times.

    Dunno why they can't get thru to you.

    Pud

     
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    In response to Eldunker's comment:

     

    We begin next season at near last in the league, until trades in Dec and Feb, then the team makes considerable improvement (and momentum for next year) and we end the season as just making the top 10 lottery group.  We're not winning squat, but we're not intentionally "tanking" either.  No good coach instills that mentality with his players.  But this season will be to position the team for next year so:

    1. Rondo - will be allowed to fully heal and only begins playing in late October to showcase his skills and good health in preparation for a December trade.

    2. Bradley - Plays some PG and is given the greenlight to shoot often from the outside to build accuracy and confidence. Who cares if he misses frequently (not tanking, but...).

    3. Green - is the go-to guy. He builds his potential and swagger as the team leader and stud.  

    4. Wallace - is a main man off the bench with his number called frequently to position for December or Feb trade.

    5. Sully - plays sparingly to fully recover, until after the Rondo trade in December, when the PF position is thinned out and the new team begins to take form.

    6. Bass - starts at PF and given the ball so he can be showcased for December or Feb trades.  Bass is priority trade bait.

    7. Humphries -  Plays mostly center! If not traded, he's benched in later part of season and we leverage expiring contract.

    8. Oylnyk - is played sparingly at both PF and Center.  He plays extremely well and Fans will rebel, until he is sharing minutes at PF with Sully in the later part of the season (with a new center on board via Rondo trade).

    9. Lee - emerges as the big surprise in the new system.  He plays both PG and SG very well and becomes a key contributor and keper.

    10. Brooks - meh. gets hot from the outside and an occasional big game, but is like a poor man's  Eddie House.  

    11. Crawford - starts at SG when Bradley at the point and is inconsistent but one of the team's leading scorers.  

    12. Colton - Back and forth from D League   

    13. Shavlik - Back and forth from D League. 

    14. Melo - back and forth but mostly stays in D League for much needed playing experience 

    15. Joseph - roster filler at SF

    16. Bogans - is a complete waste and traded or released outright depending upon team injuries.

    Long term keepers:  Bradley, Lee, Green, Sully, Olynyk, Melo

    Trade priority:  Rondo, Bogans, Wallace, Bass, Humphries = Center (starter), PG, SF in return

    Wait and see:  Crawford, Brooks, Colton, Joseph, Shavlik 

     

     

     



     

    Joseph, Shavlik, Melo and Colton aren't even on the team.

     

    Edit" My apologies  I just noticed this was bumped from over a month ago.

     
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    Paul Pierce says that even with him and Kevin Garnett in Brooklyn, his old team should be in good hands, writes Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe: “Pierce also said he has discussed the future of the Celtics with Rajon Rondo, who is coming off surgery to repair a torn right anterior cruciate ligament. Trade rumors have surrounded Rondo with the Big Three broken up, and so have perceptions that he won’t cooperate with new coach Brad Stevens, only nine years Rondo’s senior. Rondo has indicated that he will fully support Stevens, and the two spent time together at Rondo’s basketball camp in Louisville, Ky. Pierce said he relayed some strong messages about how Rondo should conduct himself as team leader. “Without question [he can be the man in Boston],” Pierce said. “I’ve already talked to Rajon; Rajon’s mature. People talk about the relationship with Doc [Rivers], and they probably had their best years over the last two years. So I don’t think that was a reason for Doc leaving. I’ve heard that, but that wasn’t a reason for Doc not coming back. Rondo is one of the best players in the league. He’s a guy who can be the face of a franchise. He’s won a championship, he’s been an All-Star. There’s a lot of organizations who don’t even have a face of that caliber. I definitely think he’s matured and can handle a lot. I talked to him and he’s ready for the challenge. He knows that it’s his team. He knows he has to be a leader, and from being around me and Kevin [Garnett] and seeing how we work.” 


    Pierce said Rondo needs assistance from teammates such as Jeff Green, who may capitalize on Pierce and Garnett not being there.

    “Rondo’s got to understand he’s got to put responsibility on some of the other guys,” Pierce said. “Maybe like a Brandon Bass or some of the older players. It’s hard when it comes from just one guy. There’s got to be other guys who command respect on the team, that help out with that role.”

     

    From the same story under "Layups" ....

    With Colton Iverson headed to Turkey for this season and Fab Melo traded to the Grizzlies for the nonguaranteed contract of Donte Greene, the Celtics have reduced their roster enough to dip below the luxury-tax threshold and create a potential roster spot for a player such as Shavlik Randolph. The Celtics, in losing Iverson and Melo, have a need for a legitimate center and Randolph fared well for the Celtics in short stints off the bench last season. He was waived before his contract became guaranteed on Aug. 1 . . .

     
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    In response to puddinpuddin's comment:

    In response to R9R's comment:

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      You just can't ask "why?" and expect a reasonable answer.

     



    Jeez... R9R... posters have tried about a thousand times.

     

    Dunno why they can't get thru to you.

    Pud

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    Perhaps you should have responded to Fierce's challenge and proposed some trades for Rondo.  Until then it sounds like most posters are ready to trade Rondo for a sandwich.  "Addition by subtraction" as you put it.  Unless you have already proposed some trade that I have missed.

     
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    Re: Is This How Next Season Unfolds?

    Couple of points:

    1.  Shav is not a "legitimate" center by any stretch of the imagination.  Even if he is brought back he would be behind Fav and Hump IMO.

    2.  Rondo is the only real asset we have to trade that will land us a quality center AND allow us to dump bad contracts to free up Cap space.  He has much more value than Green.     

    3.  We don't know which quality Centers are available now or may become available over time due to backcourt injuries, attitude, performance, system fit.  If Drummond plays center and Smith can't adjust to SF, and Jennings isn't producing, then Monroe might become available.  

    4.  The Celtics need a center to be competitive in 2014-2015 (and its not coming from the draft IMO).  Danny will just have to keep his ear to the ground and pounce when the opportunity is right.  I don't see Danny giving Rondo $13M in advance of a potential near max multi-year deal that is not protected in 2015 FA, unless his well discussed dificiencies are no longer team affecting limitations. 

     
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    In response to Eldunker's comment:

    Couple of points:

    1.  Shav is not a "legitimate" center by any stretch of the imagination.  Even if he is brought back he would be behind Fav and Hump IMO.

    > The sports reporter (credibility???) and I agree that he is a known commodity and can be very effective at center for the next year. Humphries, Shav and Fav will suffice till next season. Then if Danny can land Drummond, Monroe, Asik or some other legitimate center we will have Shav and Fav as backups.

    2.  Rondo is the only real asset we have to trade that will land us a quality center AND allow us to dump bad contracts to free up Cap space.  He has much more value than Green.    

    Agreed ... but if RR is 100% and an affective team leader then he stays. If not he becomes our top trade bait and I'm alright with that if it brings us Drummond.

    3.  We don't know which quality Centers are available now or may become available over time due to backcourt injuries, attitude, performance, system fit.  If Drummond plays center and Smith can't adjust to SF, and Jennings isn't producing, then Monroe might become available.  

    True, so all the more reason to be patient and bring back Randolph to be paired with Fav and Hump for the time being.

    4.  The Celtics need a center to be competitive in 2014-2015 (and its not coming from the draft IMO).  Danny will just have to keep his ear to the ground and pounce when the opportunity is right.  I don't see Danny giving Rondo $13M in advance of a potential near max multi-year deal that is not protected in 2015 FA, unless his well discussed dificiencies are no longer team affecting limitations. 

    Agreed




     
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