Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

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    Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    ...May end up being a disaster.

    First of all, let's examine Jeff Green's time in Okhlahoma. Being a western conference team, OKC has played LeBron what, 6 times in the last 3 years? In addition, Jeff Green was not the guy assigned to guard LeBron: OKC has all world small forward Kevin Durant and defensive specialist Thabo Sefeloshia. With these two players buying time at the 3 spot, it stands to reason that Green would not see many 1 on 1 defensive assignments against LeBron. It's hard not to expect the Heat to run some iso sets against Green when PP heads to the bench.

    Next, lets look at Jeff Green's defensive skills.  He may have done a so-so job on Carmello due to Green's length and speed, but Jeff does not have the strength to guard LeBron. I fear James will be able to do his patented running back shoulder move on Green to find his way to the basket nearly ever possession.

    Lastly, examining Jeff Green's motivation does not yield promising results. Playing defense on LeBron requires a Tony Allen-like dedication. Annoying his every movement, attempting to deny every inlet pass, having that hand 2 inches away from his face but never fouling. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Jeff is up to the challenge.

    In addition, if Jeff can't do the job when PP is sitting, say in Games 1 + 2, the only guy left capable to guarding the King is Sasha Pavlocic.

    Thoughts? Go C's!

    EDIT: Spelling
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    Have to agree with you.

    However, its doubtful Green spends that much time on the floor covering Lebron.. PP is prob gonna play 40+ min per game... and the time Lebron spends on his own bench, Green may have a handful of minutes a game to defend Lebron.

    If thats the case, Green will be able to pester Lebron (before surely fouling out) on the perimeter and our help defense is always needed to contain his drives, whether its PP or Green guarding him.

    In the post, Green will get killed.

    BBD could have a big series taking charges... its a perfect storm with Lebron & his wreckless, out of control drives... then its all up to the refs and how they want to call it... which is anyones guess
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    My guess is the nba isn't such a big fan of the superstar convergence phenomena and the heat won't get so many of the superstar calls.  They'll get enough to make it a marketable series but not enough to win.  That's my guess.
     
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    The biggest reason Green (or anyone else) will have trouble guarding Lebron is the "star treatment" issue.  I think Green can hang with Lebron on the outside and cut off his drives, but time after time he's going to get called for the foul.  Even still, he's a better option than say Von Wafer.  Perk was not going to guard Lebron.  This is the series and the reason Danny made "the trade."  By the end of this series we'll all be able to finally evaluate "the trade" and decide if it was justified.
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    Lebron and Dwade should be given 6 feet in the half court.

    Dare them to shoot and you win.

    If they hit their shots, it is still to your advantage because they are not racking up foul shots and punishing you physically in the process.

    And guess what? Outside shots fall away in the 4th quarter!
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    Hi,
    Agree with Karllost.
    Also, don't forget that Celtics have semi-secret weapon against Lebron - Rondo.
    Also, IMHO, if Lebron hogs the ball it'll be a blessing for Celtics no matter who guards him.

    AK
     
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    One good thing about the lebron vs pierce matchup is that we really don't need PP to score a lot so he can focus on d.  If he can score 10-15 and lebron scores 25-30 then I think that's ok since you know it will take a lot of shots for lebron to get that number against pierce.  Meanwhile we can keep posting KG and davis against bosh and letting rondo push the ball in transition to kick out for ray 3's.

    I really think the bulk of the offense should be rondo in transition or pick and roll with kg.  Ray needs to run run wade around through pics.  I know PP scored in his famous dual with lebron, but I don't think that's the ticket this time around.

     
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    [QUOTE]...May end up being a disaster. First of all, let's examine Jeff Green's time in Okhlahoma. Being a western conference team, OKC has played LeBron what, 6 times in the last 3 years? In addition, Jeff Green was not the guy assigned to guard LeBron: OKC has all world small forward Kevin Durant and defensive specialist Thabo Sefeloshia. With these two players buying time at the 3 spot, it stands to reason that Green would not see many 1 on 1 defensive assignments against LeBron. It's hard not to expect the Heat to run some iso sets against Green when PP heads to the bench. Next, lets look at Jeff Green's defensive skills.  He may have done a so-so job on Carmello due to Green's length and speed, but Jeff does not have the strength to guard LeBron. I fear James will be able to do his patented running back shoulder move on Green to find his way to the basket nearly ever possession. Lastly, examining Jeff Green's motivation does not yield promising results. Playing defense on LeBron requires a Tony Allen-like dedication. Annoying his every movement, attempting to deny every inlet pass, having that hand 2 inches away from his face but never fouling. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Jeff is up to the challenge. In addition, if Jeff can't do the job when PP is sitting, say in Games 1 + 2, the only guy left capable to guarding the King is Sasha Pavlocic. Thoughts? Go C's! EDIT: Spelling
    Posted by IanJB[/QUOTE]


    I disagre with that.  Jeff Green IS strong and has played enough PF and gone against guys like Pau Gasol not to let James run him over.  What are the alternatives?  Marquis isnt as strong , nor is Wafer, so I like Green as opposed to what it would have been had we not traded perk.

    I will also mention, I think Pav could play decent defense on Lebron as well. he played with him in cleveland...and for the record, Lebron is not exactly Iverson,.if you can stay in front, he will get offensive fouls, if the refs call it.  Pav is our best defender after Paul, IMO, but he probably wont get any burn. Our team defense is what is gonna contain Lebron anyway...But yeah I dont think Lebron is gonna back green right down like he did to Wafer in the 3rd game.  Look, we have our team...aint nothing changing now...so just embrace Green and see what he can do....stop hating on him
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    I once started a "Jeff Green Sucks" thread, so I've been pretty critical of him and he is certainly no Tony Allen on defense (Tony Allen was in the top five in defensive player of the year voting) but he is actually a good defender when defending threes like lebron and the numbers prove it. it's when he has to defend out of position and cover guys like Pau Gasol at the 4 that he is in trouble. 

    Also, those saying he is not strong enough to defend James, should know that Carmelo is stronger than lebron (according to Kobe bryant and others) and Green did a pretty good job on him. If nothing else, Green is certainly bigger and physically stronger than Tony Allen was (you never see Allen at 6' 4'' guarding Gasol)    In fact, if Green comes with the right mindset he has the length quickness and strength to bother Lebron more than you might think. 


     
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    Green has now had some time to integrate into the Celtics defense and offense with the time off. As a result I expect improved play from him.

    If not, he is worth 6 reach in fouls on Lebron.

     
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    "Also, those saying he is not strong enough to defend James, should know that Carmelo is stronger than lebron "

    Thanks for pointing this out  jtkl, I was thinking the same thing.  Lebron may look stronger, but its popcorn muscles....Melo is clearly stronger in the way he plays but i will give the edge to lebron in finishing at the rim, but he always goes right.  We will keep him away from the rim and make him shoot jumpers...
     
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    The best thing about Lebron that works for us is that he thinks he can shoot.  Carmello is acutally a much better shooter than Lebron, but likes to attack the basket first....how ironic.  I will take Melo over Bron any day...
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    Unfortunately,Lebron has established that forearm to the chest of his defender.He does it all the time,so refs might call it once a game.I don't see how you can cover a guy when he's allowed to do that.
     
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    Green will guard Labronda Jane like he did Melo dependent on fouls situation. Green is a good defender and  really good at playing D and blocking out his man after he shoots. Labronda is under a lot of pressure to finally get past the Celtics so the as the series goes along the more likely Labronda is to crack as he always does when it really counts.
     
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    If LeBron does that in this series, and it is not even called a foul (should be a flagrant IMO) than it is time to bring in Pavlovic or Murphy (some guys who doesn't contribute anyway) and give LeBron an much harder hit Jermaine gave him on his attempt in the last match. Out starters have to take it like men but the team doesn't.
     
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    I think Jeff Green will do very well against LeBron, relatively speaking. I am no fan of LeBron. 80% of the time he is a beast; 10% of the time he forgets to drive and takes lazy threes; and 10% of the time he is a lollygagger.
     
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    "My guess is the nba isn't such a big fan of the superstar convergence phenomena and the heat won't get so many of the superstar calls."

    Right, and the NBA decided to help a team as unwatchable as the Spurs win multiple championships as well, even though their ratings were crummy. Give it a rest. 

    The fact is that superstars in this league get calls, especially when playing at home. It's always happened and always will. This can be acknowledged as true without treating this whole thing like pro wrestling or puppets on marionettes. Not sure why you even bother watching if you think it's all orchestrated. 

    As for the OP, Green won't be on the floor much. When he is I'm sure he will not do well against Lebron as he sure didn't against Carmelo.
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

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    [QUOTE]My guess is the nba isn't such a big fan of the superstar convergence phenomena and the heat won't get so many of the superstar calls.  They'll get enough to make it a marketable series but not enough to win.  That's my guess.
    Posted by cole-ely[/QUOTE]

    Tommy?!?!?

    Tommy Heinsohn?  Is that you???  Laughing
     
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    Many people have alluded to the Celtics' success against the Heat being dependent on the way the games are called.  If the Philly series is any indication, Boston has a load of weight to bear.  The way the games were called, Philly wound up on the short end of so many non-calls and obvious wrong calls in favor of the Queen and his court.  Allowing the Queen to travel and barrel into defensive players (with position) was as disgusting, as all the Kobe bailout calls were in the NO series.   It'll be interesting to watch how the Heat games will be called and if they let the Heat camp in the paint, call fouls before and if they happen, and allow five steps on a pass.  I'd rather watch basketball than another version of the Marathon.  I'm sure the Crab will be on the court. The Celtics need to bring some Zatarain's or Old Bay of their own to the table if they have to overcome an eight on five.
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    I agree with Shizz giving Green more credit on the defensive end then others. I think if he gets a little lower and gets off his man just a little he is going to be fine. I think its more of posistioning with him. As far as strength, he is most definitely strong enough to hang. Remeber, Boston's best defender on the ball last year was Quis, no question, and he was no super strong man. Oh, and Quis hung with anybody.
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    Come to think of it,I don't enjoy watching LeBron play.The unfair advantage makes me lose interest.In basketball,if you can push people out of the way,then crash into anybody else on the way to the basket,you should score every time.Where's the sport in that?
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    I think with James, sometimes a smaller guy gives him more trouble. Ray has had some success against James. James likes to go north / south and Ray usually stays in front of him and keeps a hand in his face when he is shooting his J. James doesn't seem to like to post up that much.
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    Star calls, they still exist. However, the amount have been significantly reduced from previous years. It used to be that Lebron, Kobe, Nowinski, Howard and others got incredible star calls. This year I have only seen it with Durant, and Rose.

    Lebron is no longer allowed his tuck the ball under his arm, and run to the basket move, and Kobe is no longer allowed to foul and flagrantly foul other players without a call.

    Things are getting better, even though they still exist.
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    I don't know, Lebron is a pretty strong guy, and more athletic than Melo.

    ... of course in Shaq and Baby we have the strongest guys in the NBA.
     
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    Re: Jeff Green's Guarding LeBron...

    I am starting to lose confidence in Green. He just doesn't play with any passion. I believe that Ainge would have been better off trying to pick up Trevor Ariza. Green has a great deal of talent but as Mickey Goldmill said "he ain't a killer like this guy!"
     

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