Joe Johnson

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    Joe Johnson

    You know who we traded this guy away for?  NO BODY!
     
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    Not going to argue strenuously over this but that trade did help us get to the conference finals vs the Nets. Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk both played a bi role
     
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    [QUOTE]Not going to argue strenuously over this but that trade did help us get to the conference finals vs the Nets. Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk both played a bi role
    Posted by Rebels345209[/QUOTE]
    Agree.  Good move at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight... what could have been, eh?
     
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    Yes, we know...and they also had Chauncy before he found fortune and glory...and Al Jefferson...and Gerald Green...and...
     
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    Pitino... psst. He pissed Chauncy away. That impatient idiot. As far as Big Al and G. Green... I'm not upset in the least over seeing them go. Big Al has never and apparently will never become a defensive force. So he'll never be championship caliber. And Green pissed so many years away, he should be kicking his own *ss for not having his head on straight. Nope, we got KG for them, and I'ld do it all over again and again and again.

     
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    Joe Johnson had a terrible year this year.  and not a great playoffs.  at times it seemed awful to have traded him away.  but it's pretty clear that he's turned up a few french fries short of a superstar happy meal.....  no?
     
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    The most annoying thing about that trade wasn't the decision at the time to move Johnson, he wasn't being used and the team needed a shooter and a rebounder if they wanted to make it out of rd 1 of the playoffs, it was all the players we missed on in that draft and that we COULD HAVE SENT KEDRICK BROWN TO PHOENIX, over JJ, but Jim O'Brien chose to keep Brown. Errrr

     
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    So...

    First off, Johnson and Kedrick Brown were drafted back to back in '01 and were both swingmen, when we already had a 23-24 year old Paul Pierce. The team coulda used one of those picks on a big guy (Troy Murphy, Zach Randolph, Sam Dalembert) when it needed rebounded help and had jorneymen at the 5 spot, jeez... This inability to get a big later led to the trade for Rogers (defensible) and Vin Baker (indefensible)

    Second, Johnson initially won minutes over Brown, but as the season wore on this skinny 20 year old lost favor with Jim O'Brien and Obie turned to Kedrick, who was less skilled on offense but had an NBA body already and played very good D. Pierce and 'Toine were jacking 50 shots a game anyhow.

    So when the GM Wallace told O'Brien that he was making a trade with Phoenix and the Suns offered to take EITHER Johnson or Brown, the coach told them to ship away the player everyone could see had more promise but wasn't getting minutes at the time.

    and of course Joe Forte shoulda been Tony Parker (management choice) but Red stepped in last second and said he loved forte so they threw him a bone. This 20 years after he made the same mistake when the team was about to draft Tim Hardaway and last second he changed it to Michael Smith. A player who woulda been great in the 50's. Yuck.
     
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    So when you criticize Ainge why don't you look at the two GM's we ahd before that and what got them fired:

    Pitino - (just his GM moves not coaching) Called Billups and Mercer his 'dream backcourt of the future' then traded Billups 8 months later. Granted Billups wasn't any better than Kenny Anderson the 5 years we had Kenny, and it took him many teams to get to Detroit and be a star, but still a bad move. We were REBUILDING, not trying to be a 7th/8th seed. And apparently the only person who would draft Mercer over McGrady that year was the kids college coach, blah. Mercer wasn't half bad for 2-3 years, but the fact that he was a 15ppg guy while TMac was a teen and we dumped Billups, kept us from top 5 picks in '98/'99. No complains about Pierce dropping to us. But it would have been nice to get Baron Davis, Shawn Marion, Rip Hamilton, Ron Miller or Jason Terry in '99. Then Rick traded that pick for Vitaly anyhow. What an idiot. Finally we had Jerome moiso in '00 (weakest draft in NBA history granted) but still...

    Wallace - Blew TWO picks in '01, traded the only good one he made out of THREE 1st rounders, then traded his '02 pick that couda been Tayshaun Prince or Boozer in the same Delk/Rogers/Johnson deal (did they really need a 1st? or could w ehave given them two 2nd rd pick, or Forte?). Then he sealed his fate tarding for Vin and his alcoholism and ugly contract. Couldn't keep his job despite an East finals and 2nd rd appearance.

    So let's not give Ainge so hard a time.
     
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    Honestly, hindsight is 20/20 but I would have sacrificed going to the ECF and losing to NJ that one year if it meant keeping Johnson and being more patient.  He was never going to be the max star for the Celtics that other teams erroneously pegged (and paid) him to be.  We traded him away after 48 games (33 of which he started).

    He would have been the perfect SG to compliment Pierce.  He just is not the type of player your franchise should look to lead it to a title and that is where many folks failed.  It's another story if you team him with Billups and Pierce.

    I think you can make an argument that the Celtics "MIGHT" have won a championship with a younger Billups and Johnson in the back court and Pierce at SF with the perfect compliments (Perkins at center for instance).  That would have been interesting.

    Having KG bought us only one and it was a great one but you just never know what might have been different.

     
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    I don't think there is/was enough minutes at the 2/3 for both pierce and JJ.  He would have been gone soon enough anyway.  If we had waited we could have gotten more for him, yes. But it wouldn't make any sense to keep him around with a youngish PP.

     
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    [QUOTE]Honestly, hindsight is 20/20 but I would have sacrificed going to the ECF and losing to NJ that one year if it meant keeping Johnson and being more patient.  He was never going to be the max star for the Celtics that other teams erroneously pegged (and paid) him to be.  We traded him away after 48 games (33 of which he started). He would have been the perfect SG to compliment Pierce.  He just is not the type of player your franchise should look to lead it to a title and that is where many folks failed.  It's another story if you team him with Billups and Pierce. I think you can make an argument that the Celtics "MIGHT" have won a championship with a younger Billups and Johnson in the back court and Pierce at SF with the perfect compliments (Perkins at center for instance).  That would have been interesting. Having KG bought us only one and it was a great one but you just never know what might have been different.
    Posted by Petey62[/QUOTE]

    That playoff run was a breathe of fresh air to a franchise that had suffered bad for 10-15 years... but without Delk/Rodgers we don't get the 2 (or 3?) seed and we don't get out of round 1 that year.
     
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    [QUOTE]I don't think there is/was enough minutes at the 2/3 for both pierce and JJ.  He would have been gone soon enough anyway.  If we had waited we could have gotten more for him, yes. But it wouldn't make any sense to keep him around with a youngish PP.
    Posted by cole-ely[/QUOTE]

    huh?

    There are not enough minutes at two postions for 2 players?

    Pierce and JJ woulda been perfect together for several years
     
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    I think you can make an argument that the Celtics "MIGHT" have won a championship with a younger Billups and Johnson in the back court and Pierce at SF with the perfect compliments (Perkins at center for instance). That would have been interesting.

    Yeah, hindsight is 20-20, but its not hard to think the rational almost comically easy moves starting in '01:

    use draft picks on:

    Johnson (or Richard Jefferson) they needed another wing after trading ercer but didn't need TWO of them in the same draft

    Troy Murphy, a rebounder who spread floor for PP/'Toine, can play smallball center, backup both antoine and Battie, no need for Rodgers

    Tony Parker (had him in for private workourt, loved him, listened to an 84 year old Red at the last second not a good idea)

    Then in '02 you can take Prince or Boozer, in '03 you can still get Perk, maybe a Ridnour backup type to Parker, team is strating to look pretty loaded

    Perk
    Battie
    Murphy
    Boozer
    'Toine
    Prince
    Pierce
    Johnson
    Ridnour
    Kenny
    Parker

    At that point you try to trade Antoine for more value than LaFrentz/pick or you ahve the pieces to go after a superstar in a trade to pair with Pierce, only it is 4 years earlier than when ainge finally did in '07.

     
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    I was very surprised with how many people liked the trade at the time.  Rodney Rogers only played for 3 months and we also gave up a first round pick for the deal.  The Lakers was a huge favorite with Shaq closed to his peak and Kobe.  Even the people that thought it was a good deal knew that it was a very very long shot to beat the Lakers if we get there.  JJ was traded because he was still raw at the time, not because he could not exist with Pierce.  I think they wanted a veteran big man help, but not sure how a smallish tweener PF who hangs out at the 3-point line really can help them that much and as if having AW on the team wasn't enough.  He was so valueble that they had no problem letting him go for not so big money a few months later.  Typical buy high sell low move.
     
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    Joe Johnson has one of the worst contracts in the NBA.
     
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    [QUOTE]Joe Johnson has one of the worst contracts in the NBA.
    Posted by CubanPete[/QUOTE]I was waiting for this post. I can only imagine what BDC wuld look like if Johnson had the playoff series he just had while wearing the green.
     

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