Lets Get One Thing Straight

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    [QUOTE]This board is for ANYONE to state their opinions, analyze players, the coach, game strategy, make suggestions, criticize or applaud, or post anything else to do with the Celtics. Laker fans, trolls, the uneducated are all welcome.  It is the nature of public chat boards to accomodate everybody.  If you don't like it, then don't read the posts that could potentially bother you.  We don't need the baseless and irrelevant "your a hater" accusations. It just shows your apathy and stupidity.   Posters who criticize Rondo (me) or Perkins (me) are probably MORE devout Celtics fans than those of you who who bristle at any percieved negative post.  We want to discuss and explore how to make this team better... not sugar coat and support every player just because they are a Celtic.  For every Dudder (anti Rondo), there is another at the other end of the spectrum.  It all balances out.  So if you want to participate, make your point, intelligently refute the if you want, but stop labeling people and whining.             
    Posted by Eldunker[/QUOTE]

    Your first paragraph is great, and we all do that.

    Must disagree with the bold face.

    While lakers FANS are welcome, I disagree that trolls should be allowed on here.  Dissenting opinions are always welcome - this is true, but a troll is different.

    A troll will butt into a nice conversation, which you've already read and responded to, and change its' direction by inserting how great the lakers are.  We all know how great they are, and if these people  can remember this is a CELTICS forum, and show a little respect, I have no problem with that at all.  You say we are allowed to criticize our own team - yes, I agree.  Are we allowed to criticize the lakers as well?  Apparently not, since that irks the trolls that post on here - it is hypocritical and I want no part of it.

    Finally, having posted on the LA Times (since I live out here) I can tell you - negative comments by lakers fans about the lakers are allowed, BUT.....negative comments by those who are not lakers fans are usually deleted, or not posted at all.  I come here to read comments about my team from other fans, who are as passionate as I am.  I certainly don't want to get into an "argument" with lakers fans about the lakers.  See, they don't argue....they just contradict and insult.

    Thanks for your opinion, I enjoyed reading it.  I disagree, and hope you understand why I do.............if I wanted to read about the lakers all day, I'd order the LA Times..or listen to my students.  Regardless, I shall continue to fight them, until we win #18......at which point, I shall probably retire from posting and work on my pool game!!
    Cheers!

     
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    Hedley, so you agree with the second sentence after the highlighted part of Eldunker's opening post (the one with "apathy" and "stupidity" in it? 

    How about the next sentence?  That's the one that says that those "who criticize Rondo are probably MORE devout Celtics fans" than those who defend him.

    I think you need to do some more highlighting.
     
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    [QUOTE]Hedley, so you agree with the second sentence after the highlighted part of Eldunker's opening post (the one with "apathy" and "stupidity" in it?  How about the next sentence?  That's the one that says that those "who criticize Rondo are probably MORE devout Celtics fans" than those who defend him. I think you need to do some more highlighting.
    Posted by jerrycole[/QUOTE]

    No, I don't agree with anything after the first sentence!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Lets Get One Thing Straight : One other thing RUWorthy. Cedric Maxwell got scapegoated while Bird was seemingly immune to such criticism. Shaugnessy covered this. Max got blamed for something he didn't really say (i.e. playing for money not to win), while Bird got away with getting an injury in a bar fight which may have cost us that extra title.
    Posted by NickFaldo[/QUOTE]

    interesting.  i thought the reason max went away was because he was perceived to be / accused of slacking it coming back from injuries and only really being interested in the playoffs.

    what year was bird hurt in a bar fight?  was it by chance one of the years we had robey on board?  my understanding was bird and robey drank non-stop and even though robey was a decent backup, they wanted him out of town so that bird would get out of the bottom of the bottles of beer.
     
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    [QUOTE]Is it true there was a lot of hate for DJ and Parish when Boston lost in the 80's? Yet Bird and McHale were often immune to criticism? I guess fans always find a scapegoat in their teams. Human nature I suppose.
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]

    wow, i either watched every single game from 79-88 or the ones i didn't watch i was at.  i don't remember anyone  zeroing in on dj or parish for team 'losses'.  a couple of years, parish held out for a little more money and even when they paid him he was paid far less than bird and worth every cent of it.  but nobody disliked him for holding out those couple times.

    the only blaming that bird would do, in a cryptic fashion usually, was to be ticked off that mchale didn't "try harder".  bird thought mchale was good enough to lead the league in scoring and felt he didn't work hard enough at it, possibly hard enough in the off seasons, etc.

    i think that was the only tension on those celts teams and there was so much winning going on and then after 87 nobody could fault mchale for anything.  he played on a broken hoof and ruined himself for good, that certainly showed nerve and a desire to win.  but you couldn't whip a dying horse after that.

    back in the 80s the celts would have 2 putrid losses to bad teams a year and then the rest of them were usually close games.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Lets Get One Thing Straight : interesting.  i thought the reason max went away was because he was perceived to be / accused of slacking it coming back from injuries and only really being interested in the playoffs. what year was bird hurt in a bar fight?  was it by chance one of the years we had robey on board?  my understanding was bird and robey drank non-stop and even though robey was a decent backup, they wanted him out of town so that bird would get out of the bottom of the bottles of beer.
    Posted by aciemvp[/QUOTE]

    I've got the link. You should find this very interesting. It backs up what RUWorthy wrote.

    A fistful of Bird history

    By Dan Shaughnessy Globe Columnist / October 30, 2009

    Big Baby got into a fight with a friend at 4 a.m., broke his thumb, and won’t be able to play until at least December. He is young and foolish and he hurt the team. The Celtics owners are mad at him. Fans are mad at him.

    It’s not a good situation. But let’s not throw Big Baby out with the bathwater. This stuff is as old as dirt. Young athletes have been doing goofy things at odd hours since before the days of the original Big Baby, George Herman Ruth.

    It even happened to Larry Bird.

    That’s right.

    Larry Bird.

    On the night of May 16, 1985, in the middle of the Eastern Conference finals between the Celtics and Sixers, Bird was involved in a scuffle that started at a now-defunct bar called Chelsea’s and spilled out to the corner of State Street and Merchant’s Row. After the altercation, Mike Harlow, a bartender/former Colgate football player, claimed he was sucker-punched by Bird. Nick Harris, a man who was with Bird and Quinn Buckner on the night of the incident, was treated at Massachusetts General Hospital’s emergency room that night.

    There was a lawsuit and a settlement. The Celtics told Bird to stay away from Harris. None of the parties ever talked about it.

    Ever.

    Pick up a copy of Jackie MacMullan’s spectacular book on Bird and Magic Johnson (“When the Game Was Ours’’) and check the index for the Chelsea’s fight. You won’t find it. Bird won’t talk about it. It was the same when he did a biography with Bob Ryan in 1989 (“Drive’’), and another one with MacMullan (“Bird Watching,’’ 1999). Bird has addressed his father’s suicide in books with Ryan and MacMullan, but he will not discuss the Chelsea’s fight.

    Cedric Maxwell finds this interesting. Max, now a local commentator and color analyst on the Celtics’ radio flagship, gets crushed in the new Larry-Magic tome (the book is bad for Isiah Thomas as well, but trashing Zeke is like making fun of soccer - it’s just too easy). In Chapter 6 of MacMullan’s book, Bird talks about Maxwell laying down after signing a big contract before the 1984-85 season.

    Maxwell was MVP of the 1981 Finals and famously said, “Hop on my back, boys,’’ before carrying the Celtics to victory over the Lakers in the ’84 Finals. Unfortunately, his post-Finals contract negotiation was protracted and contentious.

    According to the MacMullan book, when Maxwell finally came to terms just before the 1984-85 season, he said, “Career’s over, boys. Slam the books. I got my money.’’ In February of that year, Max suffered a cartilage tear in his knee and underwent arthroscopic surgery. He was never a factor the rest of the year, and Red Auerbach shipped him to the Clippers for Bill Walton after the Celtics were beaten by the Lakers in the Finals. Red also went to his publisher and removed a flattering passage about Maxwell from an upcoming book.

    In MacMullan’s new book, Bird says, “Max was out of shape when he came back. He didn’t do the rehab the way they asked. I was so pissed at him, because he was so good . . . He got his money, and he quit. I like Max, but that’s the bottom line.’’

    “So it was all me?’’ Max said before the Celtics’ home opener Wednesday. “We got four Hall of Famers on the team, but the reason we didn’t win was all my fault? I must have been a beast!’’

    He was laughing, but he was serious.

    “Hey, we got a guy who gets his hand busted up in a barroom fight. That wasn’t me. But I’m never going to win this one. He’s Larry Bird!’’

    Max has a point. Bird’s right index finger was badly swollen in the days after the fight. He claimed he injured it May 18 in a game at Philadelphia, two days after the fight. He shot 46 percent in the ’85 playoffs. In his other two MVP seasons, when the Celtics won the championship, he shot 52 percent each year.

    Bird didn’t speak to me for seven months after I wrote the Chelsea’s story in 1985. Twenty years later, when I teased him about it, he said, “I hit that guy [Harlow] with my left hand!’’

    We’ll never know. But something happened, it hurt the team, and the teammates all knew.

    “When I played, sometimes players didn’t do everything they could do to win games,’’ said Danny Ainge, who played with Bird and Maxwell in ’85, and today serves as Big Baby’s boss. “When guys stay up and go to nightclubs, it prevents them from playing their best. I witnessed many things that were not conducive to winning and in my opinion prevented us from winning particular games.’’

    It can happen.

    Even to Larry Bird.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Lets Get One Thing Straight : interesting.  i thought the reason max went away was because he was perceived to be / accused of slacking it coming back from injuries and only really being interested in the playoffs. what year was bird hurt in a bar fight?  was it by chance one of the years we had robey on board?  my understanding was bird and robey drank non-stop and even though robey was a decent backup, they wanted him out of town so that bird would get out of the bottom of the bottles of beer.
    Posted by aciemvp[/QUOTE]
    perhaps bird hasn't wanted to say much about the chelsea incident because the truth of the matter puts him in a bad light.

    check out the following link for some interesting, unusual perspective on those mid-80s celtics, featuring danny ainge but including bird and the chelsea incident.

    http://ballin.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$407
     
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    Those days these posts above bring back memories.  We would have had at least one more title.
     

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