list of UFA Centers for the off-season W/Current Salarys

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    Mployee

    Get your facts right.

    The Celts salary after the regular season ended is 71.57m.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/boston-celtics-team-salary

     

    And Pierce's cap hit of 5m can't be stretched.

    Here:

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q98

    If the player is waived from September 1 to June 30, then the current season is paid per the normal payment schedule, and any remaining years are stretched over twice the number of years remaining plus one as described above. For example, if the player is waived on December 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.5 million, respectively, then the current season (at $10.2 million) is paid normally, and the final season (at $10.5 million) is stretched over three years (one season times two, plus one) and paid in even amounts of $3.5 million per year.

    Pierce doesn't have any remaining years. And the condition of his non-guaranteed contract is if he's waived before July 1. So Pierce falls under Sept. 1 to June 30.

    In other words, the 5m cap hit can't be stretched.

    Remember, if Pierce is not waived before July 1 then his 15.3m becomes guaranteed.

     

     

    You ignored the 1st paragraph in the rule that you are citing, providing further evidence of your inability to read for comprehension. Here is what you convenienty missed or failed to understand ... the key words being "under the current CBA." ....

    > Individually negotiated revisions to the payment schedule are not allowed for contracts signed or extended under the current CBA2. For these contracts or extensions the remaining guaranteed salary for a waived player is "stretched" and paid in equal amounts over a greater time span, as follows:

    • If the player is waived from July 1 to August 31, then his remaining salary is paid over twice the number of years remaining on his contract, plus one. For example, if the player is waived on August 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.3 million, respectively, then his remaining salary is paid over five years (two seasons times two, plus one), in even amounts of $4.1 million per year.
    • If the player is waived from September 1 to June 30, then the current season is paid per the normal payment schedule, and any remaining years are stretched over twice the number of years remaining plus one as described above. For example, if the player is waived on December 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.5 million, respectively, then the current season (at $10.2 million) is paid normally, and the final season (at $10.5 million) is stretched over three years (one season times two, plus one) and paid in even amounts of $3.5 million per year.


    And the paragraph before that addresses Pierce's situation;

    > The waiving team continues to pay the guaranteed portion of the terminated contract (see question number 62). For contracts signed or extended before the current CBA took effect, the team and player may negotiate a revised payment schedule (see question numbers 65 and 66). The revised payment schedule may call for the guaranteed portion of the player's salary to be paid over a longer or shorter period of time than originally specified in the contract, or even as a lump sum.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q98  (Question #63)

     

    Pretty well defined there and an obvious mistake by you!

     

    The $5MM is guaranteed for the 2013-2014 season and as such the payment schedule can be negotiated per the CBA. That's a much more classy way to say goodbye to your captain than using the amnesty provision which was designed to dump salary for players you no longer want. Like kicking the trash out and not holding the door for them.

     
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    Re: list of UFA Centers for the off-season W/Current Salarys

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    Dwight Howard is too expensive and he's a headcase

    Bynum is a huge risk, a headcase, and too expensive

     

    Al Jefferson is worth $8M , but he plays no defense...

     

    The absolute best player available with the most upside is Tiago Splitter , if the Celtics can sign him for $8M (first year) then that would be a dream come true....

    Giving Al Jefferson more than $8M for 5 yrs will lock the Celtics into mediocracy for the forseeable  future....

    .500 and first round playoff exits at best......would rather let Pierce and KG play it out and get into the lottery......

     



    The owners will not want to pay Pierce 15.3m next season.

     

    DeAndre Jordan is getting 11m per year. Big Al is way better than Jordan.




    Agreed that Splitter would be a great catch. If Garnett would stay and we buyout/resign PP and somehow acquire another decent scorer, we would be good. Especially if Rondo and Sully are fully recovered.

     
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    Re: list of UFA Centers for the off-season W/Current Salarys

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    Mployee

    Get your facts right.

    The Celts salary after the regular season ended is 71.57m.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/boston-celtics-team-salary

     

    And Pierce's cap hit of 5m can't be stretched.

    Here:

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q98

    If the player is waived from September 1 to June 30, then the current season is paid per the normal payment schedule, and any remaining years are stretched over twice the number of years remaining plus one as described above. For example, if the player is waived on December 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.5 million, respectively, then the current season (at $10.2 million) is paid normally, and the final season (at $10.5 million) is stretched over three years (one season times two, plus one) and paid in even amounts of $3.5 million per year.

    Pierce doesn't have any remaining years. And the condition of his non-guaranteed contract is if he's waived before July 1. So Pierce falls under Sept. 1 to June 30.

    In other words, the 5m cap hit can't be stretched.

    Remember, if Pierce is not waived before July 1 then his 15.3m becomes guaranteed.

     

     

    You ignored the 1st paragraph in the rule that you are citing, providing further evidence of your inability to read for comprehension. Here is what you convenienty missed or failed to understand ... the key words being "under the current CBA." ....

    > Individually negotiated revisions to the payment schedule are not allowed for contracts signed or extended under the current CBA2. For these contracts or extensions the remaining guaranteed salary for a waived player is "stretched" and paid in equal amounts over a greater time span, as follows:

    • If the player is waived from July 1 to August 31, then his remaining salary is paid over twice the number of years remaining on his contract, plus one. For example, if the player is waived on August 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.3 million, respectively, then his remaining salary is paid over five years (two seasons times two, plus one), in even amounts of $4.1 million per year.
    • If the player is waived from September 1 to June 30, then the current season is paid per the normal payment schedule, and any remaining years are stretched over twice the number of years remaining plus one as described above. For example, if the player is waived on December 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.5 million, respectively, then the current season (at $10.2 million) is paid normally, and the final season (at $10.5 million) is stretched over three years (one season times two, plus one) and paid in even amounts of $3.5 million per year.


    And the paragraph before that addresses Pierce's situation;

    > The waiving team continues to pay the guaranteed portion of the terminated contract (see question number 62). For contracts signed or extended before the current CBA took effect, the team and player may negotiate a revised payment schedule (see question numbers 65 and 66). The revised payment schedule may call for the guaranteed portion of the player's salary to be paid over a longer or shorter period of time than originally specified in the contract, or even as a lump sum.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q98  (Question #63)

     

    Pretty well defined there and an obvious mistake by you!

     

    The $5MM is guaranteed for the 2013-2014 season and as such the payment schedule can be negotiated per the CBA. That's a much more classy way to say goodbye to your captain than using the amnesty provision which was designed to dump salary for players you no longer want. Like kicking the trash out and not holding the door for them.


    Hopefully, Danny won't decide to amnesty Pierce.  As you state, it would be a very classless way to treat someone like Pierce who has meant so much to the Celtics organization over his entire career.  Danny may also decide to try to trade Pierce. 

     
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    Hopefully, Danny won't decide to amnesty Pierce.  As you state, it would be a very classless way to treat someone like Pierce who has meant so much to the Celtics organization over his entire career.  Danny may also decide to try to trade Pierce. 

     

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    actually wouldn;t using the Amnesty on Piercebe BETTER for him?

     

    he gets the whole $15.3M then AND is a FA to sign where ever he wanted to.

     

    IF Ainge is going to blow the whole thing up, IMO paying Pierce his contract AND getting it off our cap makes the most sense.

     

    But they would already have to know that KG is going to retire, seems like a dangerouse aproach that could back fire and cost the team in the end.

     

    I guess we'll  know before too long either way

     
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    Hopefully, Danny won't decide to amnesty Pierce.  As you state, it would be a very classless way to treat someone like Pierce who has meant so much to the Celtics organization over his entire career.  Danny may also decide to try to trade Pierce. 

     




    actually wouldn;t using the Amnesty on Piercebe BETTER for him?

     

    he gets the whole $15.3M then AND is a FA to sign where ever he wanted to.

     

    IF Ainge is going to blow the whole thing up, IMO paying Pierce his contract AND getting it off our cap makes the most sense.

     

    But they would already have to know that KG is going to retire, seems like a dangerouse aproach that could back fire and cost the team in the end.

     

    I guess we'll  know before too long either way

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    If the C's wanted to pay him $15MM then amnesty him they never would have put the buyout clause in his contract ... Think about that for a minute ... Either they want out at a minimal cost ($5MM) or they keep him, pay him and live with it or trade him at the deadline ... Danny wrote the contract and now has a decision to make ... It's either one or the other and pretty obvious that they had no intent to ever amnesty him when they wrote the contract.

     
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    Pretty well defined there and an obvious mistake by you!

     

    The $5MM is guaranteed for the 2013-2014 season and as such the payment schedule can be negotiated per the CBA. That's a much more classy way to say goodbye to your captain than using the amnesty provision which was designed to dump salary for players you no longer want. Like kicking the trash out and not holding the door for them.

     



    How about this, Mployee, if you're wrong about Pierce's 5m going to be stretched then you make a thread admitting that you were wrong about Pierce's 5m being stretched.

     

    If I get it wrong then I will make a thread about me being wrong thinking that Pierce's 5m couldn't be stretched.

    Deal?

     

     




    Your usual BS!

    How could you get it it wrong out of 5-10 options that Danny has you've probably posted in favor of everyone of them over time on one thread or another ... Jeesh!

     
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    Your usual BS!

     

    How could you get it it wrong out of 5-10 options that Danny has you've probably posted in favor of everyone of them over time on one thread or another ... Jeesh!

     



    Yes, all the options of what Ainge can do has been posted. But I say the Ainge will not stretch Pierce's 5m guaranteed money if Pierce is bought out.

     

    You're the one saying that Pierce's 5m will be stretched.

    Ever since you lost that Anthony Tolliver vs. Glen Davis bet you suddenly turned into a coward.

    HAHAHA

     



    I never said the $5MM will be stretched which is why you prove yourself to be a liar once again as usual. I said it "could be stretched per the CBA rules." You're the expert citing the WRONG rules on this forum.

     

     
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    I pass on every one, except Splitter and Speights, at current salary, and only as a quality backup contributing big minutes. We don't compete with the elite teams with either as our starting center.

    I especially do not want Howard or Bynum.  They are both is over-valued/too expensive, do not have a team nor winner mentality, and have serious health issues.  Biedrens is laughable at $9M.  Big Al is probably the best value of the lot.

    Bottom line is that Danny will need to transact a trade for our starting center before next season.

     
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    Dwight Howard is too expensive and he's a headcase

    Bynum is a huge risk, a headcase, and too expensive

     

    Al Jefferson is worth $8M , but he plays no defense...

     

    The absolute best player available with the most upside is Tiago Splitter , if the Celtics can sign him for $8M (first year) then that would be a dream come true....

    Giving Al Jefferson more than $8M for 5 yrs will lock the Celtics into mediocracy for the forseeable  future....

    .500 and first round playoff exits at best......would rather let Pierce and KG play it out and get into the lottery......

     



    The owners will not want to pay Pierce 15.3m next season.

     

    DeAndre Jordan is getting 11m per year. Big Al is way better than Jordan.

     




     

    This is an interesting question. If we do want to get into the lottery next year then the best thing for us to do is to trade for picks + expiring contracts or young developing players. The worst thing we could do is get a guy like DeAndre Jordan who is trying to get better and pair him with AB, Rondo Sullinger, Green (all trying to get better) and expect us to lose. Same with Vets who don't want to squander their last basketball years.

    So the best thing to do if we want to get into the lottery is collect draft picks by sending out Lee, Bass, Terry, KG, and buy out PP. We Keep the China crowd to develop their talent. We start Sullinger & Melo. We make Rondo take his time coming back from surgery. And we make Green the go-to guy so he can continue to grow into that role.

     

    So, the question is: Can we lose enough games with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger, Melo as our starting 5?

    The other question is around timing on Rondo & AB's window. They have two more years under contract each, if next year is lost to 'rebuilding' then that means we have 1 more year with these two before they both are up for much more money. I could see R9R getting close to max, AB's salary will likely double.



    Are you kidding? that would be one of the worst starting 5's in the NBA.  The Celtics would probably win 25 games with that line up,

     
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    For example, if KG is true to his word, that he will retire if Pierce is no longer a Celtic, the Celts will have enough cap space to go after Big Al. But only if the Celts amnesty Pierce. If the Celts waive Pierce and KG officially retires, the Celts will not have enough cap space to go after Big Al.

    I don't understand your fascination with blowing everything up for Al Jefferson. You're treating him like he's a LeBron James. He's probably not even as good as Garnett and Pierce combined. A team of Jefferson, Green and Rondo will be decent enough to finish somewhere between 6th-8th in the Eastern Conference for the next several years. That's the worst case scenario. I'd rather finish 6th-8th with Garnett and Pierce, knowing that in two years there will be enough cap space to really do something significant than finish 6th-8th in perpetuum with no cap space to do anything of value. Jefferson is not that special. He's a one-dimensional player. Gasol, Love, Aldridge, and Chandler are all available after 2014-15. I'm fairly confident the Celtics would be able to sign at least one of those guys. New York and Los Angeles can't snag everybody (if they're even under the cap, which seems doubtful).

     
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    Getting Big Al means the Celtics will be in the lottery because you're correct, he's not the next Lebron.


    I think you are underestimating the Celtics' ability to compete with Jefferson, Green, Rondo, Bradley, Bass, Sullinger, Terry, Williams, Crawford, etc. That's certainly a mediocre team, but it's not lottery level bad either. You routinely predict the Celtics to fare worse than their actual record. I wouldn't be surprised if such a team finished with a better record than this year's squad because of improved health, if nothing else. Who are the eight teams that would be clearly better than the Celtics? I'll give you the Heat, Bulls, Knicks, Pacers, and Nets. That's it. The Celtics would be at around the same level, if not better, than everyone else.

     

    If the Celts get lucky in this year's draft then the Celts will already have a core that can grow together.


    If the Celtics get lucky in this year's draft, all the more reason why they won't be a lottery team next year.

     

    Big Al is someone that can be a 2nd or 3rd option. Signing him now for 13m per year is a bargain. Waiting for the Celtics to get a big man in 2015 will surely cost the Celtics more than 13m per year.


    When the only player with a guaranteed contract on the roster would be Courtney Lee, it doesn't matter whether it would cost more than $13 million for a big man. The Celtics could sign two max players who would be of much higher quality too. They can't do that if Jefferson is clogging up valuable cap space.

     
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    Remember, before Rondo and Sully went down with injuries, the Celts were just 21-23. Even with KG, Pierce, Rondo, Green, and Sully, the Celts were just 21-23.


    Green hadn't emerged as a force yet, Bradley hadn't been back for very long, plus there've been years where you don't even need a .500 record to crack the top 8. I'm not saying the Celtics would be guaranteed a playoff spot with Jefferson in lieu of Garnett and Pierce, but they wouldn't necessarily be lottery-bound either, and they definitely wouldn't bottom out and be in prime position for a top 5 pick. They'd be somewhere in the 6th-10th range, probably closer to 6th than 10th if Ainge drafts well, which is normally the case.

     

    Again, as long as we have Rondo, there's ZERO chance will be able to sign two max players. The new cap rules made sure of that.


    Then make them near-max players like Miami did with Wade, James, and Bosh. Or see if Rondo will take a little less than the maximum. Even if that's not doable, I'd still rather have at least one of Gasol/Love/Aldridge/Chandler over Jefferson.

     
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    Why would Gasol, Aldridge, or Love leave if their current teams can offer more money than the Celtics?

    Memphis can't seem to afford to keep anyone. I doubt they'll extend any of their free agents. Their window of opportunity is this season and the next one. Portland doesn't seem to be headed anywhere, Minnesota never really competes. If Ainge says he can pair two max bigs together, and the Celtics are one of the only teams that can do that, then of course that would be attractive. It's the same reason why LeBron James left Cleveland and why Chris Bosh left Toronto to join Dwayne Wade in Miami. That was less about Miami as a city than it was about the opportunity for three elite players to join forces. Had James been the one under a long-term contract and the other two were free agents, I honestly think they would have all signed with Cleveland. Ultimately, players want to win championships, period. And the best way to do that is for three top players to sign with the same team.

     

     
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    If they want to win championships then Boston is not the city because by 2015, the Celtics will still be a mediocre team.

    Especially if they have Al Jefferson and can't sign even one max player.

     

    Memphis already solved their financial problem when they traded Rudy Gay.

    There's been talk all year that they can't afford to keep both Gasol and Randolph either. Memphis runs a cheap operation.

     

    Again, the Celts can't pair two max players together with Rondo. But if the Celts don't re-sign Rondo then the Celts can pair two max players together.

    Maybe Rondo would accept less than a maximum contract. If he gets renewed at $11 million per year, perhaps signing two max players would work. If not, perhaps consider playing someone else at point guard. Maybe by that time Bradley is finally ready to be an elite starting point guard. Perhaps Ainge strikes gold in the draft. There are a lot of possible variables. But if the Celtics don't have the cap room, then this entire discussion becomes completely moot because not even a theoretical possibility for massive improvement would exist.

     
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    Yes, if Rondo accepts less money, but not for 11m per year because according to the rules, Rondo has to get a salary increase. Right now Rondo's getting 11m per year.

    Then make it $11.5 million per year. If he wants too much money to make it possible to sign two max bigs, then go with someone else at point guard. Interior toughness and size are generally what win in this league. Sign two elite 4/5's and the Celtics would be in excellent shape.

    Again, the Celts can sign 1 max player but not 2. Unless if you're willing to go with Rondo, 2 max players, and the rest of the roster with minimum salaried players.

    In a league built around superstars, I'd be fine with a team full of minimum salaried players (plus draft picks who don't have to be minimum salaried) because there are lots of veteran ring chasers of decent quality who sign for the veteran's minimum. I bet one or both of Pierce and Garnett would re-sign for one year at minimum dollars if they got to play a final season with Gasol and Love.

    Guess you just don't like Big Al. But if KG and Pierce will not return, the Celts will more or less have 13m in cap space to spend on a free-agent. We'll see what happens.


    I don't see Garnett walking away from $20+ million, no matter what he claims about Pierce's status. I also doubt the Celtics will let Pierce finish his career elsewhere. Ainge can talk all he wants, but ultimately it's ownership's call and ownership has been very supportive of Pierce and the idea of him being a Celtic lifer.

    Jefferson is a fine player. He's not an elite player. He doesn't make the Celtics better in the present. He makes them worse in the future because he kills their cap flexibility. In the off-season of 2014-2015, there's a chance to re-do the entire roster. Whether that means Rondo plus one max player, or two max players minus Rondo, or lots of people taking discounts, or however it shakes out, at least there would be a plethora of good options. Signing Jefferson or Millsap or anyone of that caliber now eliminates those options.

     

     

     

     

     

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