Marc Gasol Trade Idea's

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    Marc Gasol Trade Idea's

    Gasol's injured for the majority of the season (indefinitely). The Grizz could do a smart move and just let it play out and get worse this year allowing their own pick to have more value in this loaded draft...

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    The 7-6 Grizz could find a way to replace Gasol and make a run this year with Conley&ZBO. I think an injured Gasol would fit perfectly on this Celtics team. He would be the perfect Celtic center to pair with Rondo for the next few years and Sully would be a perfect PF to play with him. The biggest selling points are his high BBIQ and his DPOY status.

    SO

    Trade 1: 

    BOS: Marc Gasol

    MEM: Kris Humphries, Vitor Favarani

    (+/-): Crawford, 2015 Clippers pick

    The selling point here is that Vitor & Kris help replace Marc's production. Crawford's playing out of his mind and the Grizz could use that scoring SG off the bench. Maybe the Clips pick gets it done.

    Trade 2:

    BOS: Marc Gasol, Tayshon Prince

    MEM: Jeff Green, Kris Humphires

    (+/-) Vitor Favarani

    The enticement here would be to upgrade Prince with Green. A front-line of Conley, Allen, Green, ZBO & Koufous could be effective. Hump is still included as expiring salary. Maybe Vitor is thrown in to get it done.

     

     

     
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    I think trade 1 is preferred from a Celtics perspective, trade 2 is definitely preferred from Memphis' perspective.

    In this scenerio, I'd probably pull the trigger on a Bass & Wallace for Amare trade. 

    Going foward, (ideal situation) in 2014-15:

    Rondo, Pressey, Nets 1st

    Bradley, Lee, Free Agent

    Celtics 1st (Parker), Green

    Sullinger, Amare

    Gasol, Olynyk

      

    This also gives Danny ultimate flexability in the summer of 2015 where Amare, Rondo, Gasol and possibly Jeff (player option) all expire. In the extreme ideal situation, we allow Jeff to sign a big deal somewhere else giving Jabari Parker full reigns of the SF spot, we resign Rondo and Gasol to four year deals after brining in a sharp shooting SG free agent with Amare's expiring money. You'd have Rondo, free agent, Parker, Sullinger, and Gasol which is a dangerous good & smart starting lineup with rookies, Pressey, Olynyk, Bradley and Lee off the bench.

     

     

     
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    Answer your own question much?

     
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    In response to R9R's comment:
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    Gasol's injured for the majority of the season (indefinitely). The Grizz could do a smart move and just let it play out and get worse this year allowing their own pick to have more value in this loaded draft...

    OR

    The 7-6 Grizz could find a way to replace Gasol and make a run this year with Conley&ZBO. I think an injured Gasol would fit perfectly on this Celtics team. He would be the perfect Celtic center to pair with Rondo for the next few years and Sully would be a perfect PF to play with him. The biggest selling points are his high BBIQ and his DPOY status.

    SO

    Trade 1: 

    BOS: Marc Gasol

    MEM: Kris Humphries, Vitor Favarani

    (+/-): Crawford, 2015 Clippers pick

    The selling point here is that Vitor & Kris help replace Marc's production. Crawford's playing out of his mind and the Grizz could use that scoring SG off the bench. Maybe the Clips pick gets it done.

    Trade 2:

    BOS: Marc Gasol, Tayshon Prince

    MEM: Jeff Green, Kris Humphires

    (+/-) Vitor Favarani

    The enticement here would be to upgrade Prince with Green. A front-line of Conley, Allen, Green, ZBO & Koufous could be effective. Hump is still included as expiring salary. Maybe Vitor is thrown in to get it done.

     This trade would not make the celtics any better.Paverini is a keeper.When Hondo returs Fav numbers will increase.He(paverini) is part of the celtics future.The celtics needs Humpheys expiring contract..

     

     

     

     

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    In response to Fierce34's comment:

    Seriously, there's no way the Grizz will trade Marc Gasol for the sole reason of him being injured.

    And the Griz are a playoff team, they're not thinking of lottery picks.



    Correct.

    They are thinking about how to continue being a playoff team without Marc.

    There is certainly a possibility that they look to trade Marc for bodies that help them compete this year. Marc only has a couple years left on his deal. He's not Rose. He may sign elsewhere or be too expensive for Memphis to resign.

     

    Always a possibility!

     
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    Can the adults on this board at least agree that Gasol > Favarani. This should not even be a question. 

     

    Fierce, you don't think Green, Fav, Crawford and Hump for Gasol and Prince is feasible? It allows them to compete this year.

     
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    Can the adults on this board at least agree that Gasol > Favarani. This should not even be a question. 

     

    Fierce, you don't think Green, Fav, Crawford and Hump for Gasol and Prince is feasible? It allows them to compete this year.

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    Gasol is injured.

     
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    Can the adults on this board at least agree that Gasol > Favarani. This should not even be a question. 

     

    Fierce, you don't think Green, Fav, Crawford and Hump for Gasol and Prince is feasible? It allows them to compete this year.

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    Gasol is injured.

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    Yes, that is the essence of this whole idea.

    1. Gasol is injured for the year on a competing team
    2. Boston has strong pieces that can help a contender on a lottery team
    3. In order to still compete, MEM could trade injured Gasol for helpful pieces
    4. In order to continue the tank and secure an allstar Center, the Celtics could trade pieces for the injured Center
    5. Both sides win.

     

    Celtics get worse in the short term but better next year.

    Memphis gets better this year and is more flexible financially next year (Hump & Craw expire, Fav is cheap, Prince = Green in salary & years)

     

     
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    Logistics aside, wouldn't a core of Rondo, Bradley, Sullinger and Gasol be the perfect surroundings both offensively and defensively for a young freshman SF, either Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Hood, Young, or Robinson?

     

    You'd still have Lee, Bass, Wallace, Olynyk and the Nets 1st off the bench.

     
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    Logistics aside, wouldn't a core of Rondo, Bradley, Sullinger and Gasol be the perfect surroundings both offensively and defensively for a young freshman SF, either Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Hood, Young, or Robinson?

     

    You'd still have Lee, Bass, Wallace, Olynyk and the Nets 1st off the bench.

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    Please, no Bradley.

     
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    Logistics aside, wouldn't a core of Rondo, Bradley, Sullinger and Gasol be the perfect surroundings both offensively and defensively for a young freshman SF, either Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Hood, Young, or Robinson?

     

    You'd still have Lee, Bass, Wallace, Olynyk and the Nets 1st off the bench.

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    Please, no Bradley.

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    Then we sign Hayward this summer.

    You're dead wrong about Avery though. He's been doing better in the SG role and will continue to improve once Rondo returns. Avery will develop similarly to Lance Stephenson. You'll see...

     
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    i think marc gasol will never be available despite of his injury. nowadays you cant afford to lose a center especially if he stands 7'1 ft. tall and the reigning defensive player of the year.

     

     
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    The problem with your trades R9R is you want every teams franchise player and expect the C's can go from Point A to Point C w/o going thru Point B first. No team will give up their franchise player for faulty assets. Danny's first priority is to upgrade our current asset base in order to be able to talk to those teams about their Franchise Player or wait till free agency and try to work a S&T.

    So forget about converting Green, Hump & Fav into Gasol cuz Memphis won't see Fav as an adequate replacement for Gasol.

    Horsetrading will get you there ... from Pt A (Our Current State) to Pt B (Upgraded Assets) then to Pt C (Franchise Center).

     
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    The problem with your trades R9R is you want every teams franchise player and expect the C's can go from Point A to Point C w/o going thru Point B first. No team will give up their franchise player for faulty assets. Danny's first priority is to upgrade our current asset base in order to be able to talk to those teams about their Franchise Player or wait till free agency and try to work a S&T.

    So forget about converting Green, Hump & Fav into Gasol cuz Memphis won't see Fav as an adequate replacement for Gasol.

    Horsetrading will get you there ... from Pt A (Our Current State) to Pt B (Upgraded Assets) then to Pt C (Franchise Center).

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    ARG!

     

    • Dwight Howard
    • Andrew Bynum
    • James Harden
    • Kevin Garnett
    • Ray Allen
    • Carmelo Anthony
    • Deron Williams
    • Jrue Holiday

     

    All essentially franchise players traded from their teams for various reasons.

    Don't give me that A to C bullcrash.

    Tell me, how was that Harden trade not an A to C move? Please, explain, I'll wait.

     
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    Of course there is only a small possibility of Memphis moving Gasol. But they moved Gay, you could say that was a franchise player in the making. With Gasol hurt, everything changes. They could persevere and end up 9th or 10th in the west. I don't expect them to really bottom out this year. So why not compete? Sell high on Marc. I think Danny would overpay. Favarani is not a replacement for Gasol, but he's a stop-gap solution for this season. Humphries has also shown the ability to produce a double-double when given minutes. I think the deal would ultimately cost Jeff Green, and right now Memphis is really weak at that SF position. Jeff could fit in well there. 

     

    This isn't a glaringly obvious trade. Its just a proposal. If I were Danny I'd call asking. Offer Favarani (who is currently 5th in the league in blocks per 48 behind Hibbert, Davis, Lopez and Henson), Humphries and Crawford. Dangle Green.

     

    Another trade could include a slew of players/salary excluding Humphries. Something like Green (9), Bass (6), Lee (5) , and Vitor (2) for Gasol (15M) and Prince (7M). That's essentially a starting lineup for an injured player and a washed up player.

     

     
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    i think marc gasol will never be available despite of his injury. nowadays you cant afford to lose a center especially if he stands 7'1 ft. tall and the reigning defensive player of the year.

     

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    That's very true. But there's always a chance. We have pieces that can be stitched together to finalize a deal. Vitor is doing exceptionally well (stat wise) so far. Gasol is a super-star. Its all about taking advantage of other franchise's situation. The Rockets capitalized on stingy OKC ownership. Orlando capitalized on a greedy 76er ownership. Atlanta captialized on Brooklyns filthy rich owner, and so did the Celtics.

     
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    Also rebounds per 48min

    Gasol: 16.8

    Vitor: 15.0

     

    (Asik: 18.1)

     
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    i think marc gasol will never be available despite of his injury. nowadays you cant afford to lose a center especially if he stands 7'1 ft. tall and the reigning defensive player of the year.

     



    That's very true. But there's always a chance. We have pieces that can be stitched together to finalize a deal. Vitor is doing exceptionally well (stat wise) so far. Gasol is a super-star. Its all about taking advantage of other franchise's situation. The Rockets capitalized on stingy OKC ownership. Orlando capitalized on a greedy 76er ownership. Atlanta captialized on Brooklyns filthy rich owner, and so did the Celtics.

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    like what youve said, those players you've mentioned has their own reasons.

    they still have assets to improve their lign up

    if they move gasol, then i think they should blow it up and start over again

    grizz dealt gay because theyve seen enough in him and take smaller deals.

    look, raptors are now shopping gay.

     

     
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    The problem with your trades R9R is you want every teams franchise player and expect the C's can go from Point A to Point C w/o going thru Point B first. No team will give up their franchise player for faulty assets. Danny's first priority is to upgrade our current asset base in order to be able to talk to those teams about their Franchise Player or wait till free agency and try to work a S&T.

    So forget about converting Green, Hump & Fav into Gasol cuz Memphis won't see Fav as an adequate replacement for Gasol.

    Horsetrading will get you there ... from Pt A (Our Current State) to Pt B (Upgraded Assets) then to Pt C (Franchise Center).



    ARG!

     

    • Dwight Howard
    • Andrew Bynum
    • James Harden
    • Kevin Garnett
    • Ray Allen
    • Carmelo Anthony
    • Deron Williams
    • Jrue Holiday

     

    All essentially franchise players traded from their teams for various reasons.

    Don't give me that A to C bullcrash.

    Tell me, how was that Harden trade not an A to C move? Please, explain, I'll wait.

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2013/10/25/daryl-morey-dwight-howard-james-harden-houston/3189339/

    With Yao retired and fellow star Tracy McGrady having departed in a February 2010 trade to the New York Knicks that ultimately would help land Harden, the Rockets faced a decision every team faces sooner or later: Do you continue trying to contend and rebuild through trades and free agency, or do you endure an awful season or two with the hopes of returning to relevance by way of high draft picks?

    Houston opted to try to compete and posted winning records from 2009 to 2012, though without a playoff appearance, but fell short when it came to landing a star to help take the team to the next level.

    Until now.

    "The big thing was that when you lose your top guys, like Yao and Tracy, generally the way it has always been done is that you know you're going to have a bad season in there, because you need a high pick to get it done," Morey says. "And frankly, I still think that's probably your safer way to go. … (But) we just didn't think we could do it, so we sort of carved out a different way.

    "Keep our max (salary cap) room, stay flexible but try and avoid that really tough year. Again, I don't know if we've proven anything. We've proven that in our set of circumstances, I think we can hopefully turn the corner if we have the year we hope we're going to have. We had to be ready, but a lot had to line up as well."


    Morey's moves seemed desperate, with trade after trade made in hopes of landing Howard or some other star. When he sent point guard Kyle Lowry to the Toronto Raptors in a July 2012 deal seen as senseless by some at the time, Morey was skewered.

    But the first-round pick acquired in the Lowry deal would prove to be a major factor in landing Harden. Protections essentially guaranteed it would be a lottery pick, so the Thunder agreed to send Harden, then the NBA sixth man of the year, to Houston in exchange for that pick, another first-rounder, a second-round pick, Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb. Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook and Lazar Hayward also went to Houston.

     

    You see ... So if you are under the missapprehension that Morey just traded player Group A to get to player Group B (Incl Harden) then you are wrong. He kept cap room and traded an existing player for a lottery pick (Danny has done the same thing) ... then he grouped that Lottery Pick with two other picks and two young players for Harden. The Lottery Pick was the key to the Harden deal and Morey didn't get that pick by Tanking ... HE TRADED FOR IT!!!!

     
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    You see ... So if you are under the missapprehension that Morey just traded player Group A to get to player Group B (Incl Harden) then you are wrong. He kept cap room and traded an existing player for a lottery pick (Danny has done the same thing) ... then he grouped that Lottery Pick with two other picks and two young players for Harden. The Lottery Pick was the key to the Harden deal and Morey didn't get that pick by Tanking ... HE TRADED FOR IT!!!!

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    What are you talking about?

    Morey traded a bunch of assets (quarters) for a star (dollar). Of course there were prior moves to obtain those assets. 

    I'm talking about trading for a franchise Center, not drafting one. I'm talking about offering a trade of quarters for the dollar. My Harden example was that it does happen.

     

    Dude, we are 5-10 and there are a couple of playoff teams in the East who will turn things around. WE ARE TANKING. But my proposal is not really about tanking. Sure, it helps the cause. But this is already a lost year, why not capitalize on it? Take another injured player who is out for the year but will recover and is the reigning DPOY. Help Memphis compete and put us in a postition to compete next year with a healthy Gasol and a healthy Rondo and two fresh talented first round picks.

     

     
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    You see ... So if you are under the missapprehension that Morey just traded player Group A to get to player Group B (Incl Harden) then you are wrong. He kept cap room and traded an existing player for a lottery pick (Danny has done the same thing) ... then he grouped that Lottery Pick with two other picks and two young players for Harden. The Lottery Pick was the key to the Harden deal and Morey didn't get that pick by Tanking ... HE TRADED FOR IT!!!!




    What are you talking about?

    Morey traded a bunch of assets (quarters) for a star (dollar). Of course there were prior moves to obtain those assets. 

    I'm talking about trading for a franchise Center, not drafting one. I'm talking about offering a trade of quarters for the dollar. My Harden example was that it does happen.

     

    Dude, we are 5-10 and there are a couple of playoff teams in the East who will turn things around. WE ARE TANKING. But my proposal is not really about tanking. Sure, it helps the cause. But this is already a lost year, why not capitalize on it? Take another injured player who is out for the year but will recover and is the reigning DPOY. Help Memphis compete and put us in a postition to compete next year with a healthy Gasol and a healthy Rondo and two fresh talented first round picks.

     

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    "What are you talking about?"

    I'm not blowing smoke ... What I provided you is a factual account of how Houston got Harden just as you challenged me to do and now that's not enough for you?   Please ....


    You're ranting ... Calm down. You Said Houston traded players for Harden without going thru step B which I just proved Morey did. Danny is on the same course.

    If he does nothing and lets Hump/Bogans contracts expire he's at $50MM in team salary with a potential team cap of $62MM. If he were somehow able to move Wallace he could cut up to another $10MM off the team cap to $40MM and have a $10MM TPE, Rondo & Green to build around with a 2014 Lottery Pick, another 2014 1st round pick and a litany of future picks as well as young players to include in a trade with Sully, Oly, Bradley & Brooks as well as Lee & Bass .... So Danny is sitting in a similar position to Morey ... Now he just needs to get lucky and have a team decide to opt out of a star player to resign their other franchise players. 

     
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    MP I'm not ranting, you're just not making any sense.

     

    We don't need to "upgrade" our assets in this backwards plan of a step B you're concocting. We have good assets. We have extra assets from the KG trade. Morey took assets and traded for a star. He took advantage of OKC's situation. You're very congnitively limited if you think Danny is waiting for a replica situation. 

     

    This proposal is to trade assets for a star, taking advantage of a team's situation. I don't understand why you insist there's a difference.

     
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    MP I'm not ranting, you're just not making any sense.

     

    We don't need to "upgrade" our assets in this backwards plan of a step B you're concocting. We have good assets. We have extra assets from the KG trade. Morey took assets and traded for a star. He took advantage of OKC's situation. You're very congnitively limited if you think Danny is waiting for a replica situation. 

     

    This proposal is to trade assets for a star, taking advantage of a team's situation. I don't understand why you insist there's a difference.




    Step B is what Danny does and what his former assistants have/are doing in Morey and McDonough. It's not some "backwards" plan I've concocted. It's right there in black and white for you with a link. Morey made something like 12 trades to upgrade his assets. In the draft a few years ago he traded up a few times to improve his young assets. Then when he had those and cap space he traded again for a lottery pick ... What don't you get?

    Danny has essenstially done the same thing ... By standing pat he may find a team that needs to trade a key player for cap space or to resign existing core players. Morey got lucky for sure since OKC decided to cut Harden and he was much better than anyone could have realized (except for Ainge). We have Rondo, Green, a possible Lottery Pick and a $10MM TPE.

    If Danny can convert the TPE into another stud player to go along with Rondo and Green then his chances of attracting a star player improve exponentially. A look at the top 10 SG's only provides Hayward as a possibility soon. Will Rondo, Hayward & Green be enough to attrack another star player???? Maybe, maybe not ... If Danny gets lucky, He ends up with two lottery picks in 2014 and solves that problem with a top tier draftee and still has another lottery pick as trade bait.

    But which centers are probable to become available soon? Looking again at the top 10 or so centers I only see Hawes, Gasol, Cousins, Varejao & Gortat as potentially available next season or the following. Cousins and Gortat are probably the best two options but will Shaq let Cousins walk? Will WA risk losing Gortat after just trading for him? Isn't Varejao getting long in the tooth? That leaves Gasol and Hawes ... Gasol clearly the better of the two but Memphis has to decide to blow it up and start over w/o their franchise center sometime by this summer otherwise we risk losing Hawes as well to free agency and again having no center.

    There you have it ... Good Luck getting Gasol ... I hope you get lucky!

     

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