Re: Mavs Hammer Fakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted at 1/21/2011 7:37 PM EST
In Response to Re: Mavs Hammer Fakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE]Dudder I completely agree with you, the terms great and phenomenal are thrown around way too much. Best to use those kind of terms when a player has finished their career. However there are a very few exceptions where those terms can be used when a player is still active.
Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]
I saw a brief overview today that showed that tomorrow is the 5th anniversary of Kobe's 81 point game but somehow Perk is going to be a great center someday and that somehow Rondo averaging 12 points per game for his career is an elite point guard. Kobe was a great player coming out of high school and has done nothing to disprove that... Perk was a project coming out of high school as was Rondo coming out of KY after two years and they have done very little to disprove that.
In my humble opinion elite point guards enter the league as such and very few ever enter the elite group after not being drafted as such.
Blake Griffin is already a great player, I don't care what anyone says - on the other hand there are those that still think that it is inevitable that Big Al will become a perennial all-star. I will gladly forward you the email that I exchanged with Jackie MacMullen where she said Al Jefferson will be an all-star every year - routing for the laundry and not being objective can bite one occasionally. This will be the first year Jefferson's team does not go through the lottery and not so coincidentally not because of him but maybe in spite of him... he has improved about 3 percent since entering the league the same day as Dwight Howard who has been a perennial all-star and actually played in the playoffs and is a perennial MVP candidate.
In my opinion great is great and rarely evolves over time. Did Duncan become great player after 10 years in the league or did he enter the league as someone that everyone thought would maybe someday maybe if everything goes just so maybe he has a chance to become a great player? When Chris Paul came out of school were there lots of experts saying maybe someday somehow if this and if that he could if everything goes just right he could become great? NOPE.
The best players are the best players when they arrive, and for the most part the rest are not what they think they are.
My guess is that if you asked the average Celtics fan who thinks the Cs play the Washington Generals on the off-nights that the Harlem Globetrotters are not playing them who was drafted first Chris Paul or Deron Williams, they would generally all respond that Rondo was drafted ahead of them.
One thing that must kill most Cs fans is that the two best front courts in the league are the Clippers and the TWolves and that none of them include Danny's picks and that the Celtics have absolutely no shot at ever competing for anything once the BIG 3 become the Really Really Old 3.
Great players are great players, they very rarely evolve over time, and the Cs have none on their roster once the BIG 3 go.
Either way - great, phenomenal, brilliant, all-star, etc are way way way overused and for the most part not at all applicable even though they are used on this board just about everyday.
Some would have us believe that Big Baby is a great player..... imagine the disservice and insult calling Davis great does to Larry Bird or Dr. J or Michael or Magic.......
Suffice it to say that in today's game if you are not the best in the game at your position you are very simply not great.