Re: Nostalgia for former players
posted at 8/8/2010 5:21 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Nostalgia for former players
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nostalgia for former players : you're wrong about davis. davis is faster than twon ever was. davis is just a very large person. when he was drafted he had some fat- and he soon lost most all of it. davis was legitimately a fatso in high school, but lost weight in college and even more in the pro's. he remains a person with a (freakishly) large frame and much more muscular structure than an average person. there is a difference between fat and large. i must admit that i did not follow twon much in miami. i do know however that my (and everyone else i knew) memories of twon showing up with a little more weight on him to start camp each year was real. i also know that i remember him being in unfortunate shape in his year with minnesota. i also remember twon was suspended for conditioning issues the year after miami won it all. so there is something to be said that the guy has had some weight issues. compared to davis... there is no comparison. davis was drafted a little bit fat and lost it and has never regained it. he has gained a lot of muscle bulk, which is needed to propel someone of his size around at a nice clip. so don't just strike out blindly at davis becuase of walker's legit past weight issues. and davis has legit PAST weight issues too- but they are in the past as long as he does his work and doesn't eat fried chicken all summer like twon was proud to say he did. that said, i have gone looking for articles on twon and other than one that said he was working out with pitino, i haven't seen any. do you have any links? i'd love for twon to be a happy ending with a couple years in the league. i am still convinced that this c's team is not his best proving ground. but i'd love to see any articles that are updating his conditioning / training status. i think 220 is a lofty weight goal for twon. i didn't see anything wrong with him at 245 when he came into the league. he had quick post moves and was an effective player. lastly, you are right about twon being a good clutch contributor for the celts, and also the heat. he did bring the team together in that series vs. indiana where we came back from an unprobable w-l deficit and i really loved isiah losing as a coach like that and all of his curious substitutions as his team went down the drain. so i'm not an anti-twon guy. i think his career could have been so much more effective if he had quit the 3's and focused on being an inside guy. i'm not sure he can do that (inside effectiveness) at his age, mileage and knee issues. have you heard anything about the health of his knees? i know they were sore a lot in boston.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take a cheap shot at Big Baby just for the heck of it, I like the guy a lot. But c'mon, in game 5 against Orlando I think it was when he was concussed and made the valiant effort to get up, it was made even easier to see when he was laying there on his back.... that wasn't muscle in his midsection friend, it made it even more obvious how much lard the guy carries around in those parts. I just bring up Big Baby b/c if people want to throw around the "300 pounds" crap about Antoine, I think they've got him confused for Baby. So Yeah I agree, between Twon and Big Baby there is no comparison.
Glad you bring up Pat Riles and, in my book, his RIDICULOUS body fat % standard, and double standard. My take? It was mostly political, in 06-07 he needed to point the finger at SOMEONE for the team's struggles, and he knew that no one would stick up for Antoine in the media or elsewhere. After all, it played into the popular media template, that Antoine was a problem child who wouldn't make sacrifices for the team (nevermind how this template falls flat on its face when you examine Antoine's career-long pattern of durability and reliability and leadership/team play). So to make an example out of guys, Riley decided to suspend Antoine and James Posey (funny though how most people forget about Posey's suspension). And key distinction, it was NOT a question of weight, because actually Antoine's weight was fine. Now I don't have links handy right now, but there was even an article on the topic at the time in which medical doctors were questioning the wisdom of Riley having one set standard for everyone on the team since different players have different body types, but naturally the media ignored that side of the story and ran with the Toine-bashing pieces as usual... And of course, the blatant hypocrisy since it was clear that Shaq was not meeting this inane standard either. But sadly, now ever since that time people are quick to call Antoine 'FAT", making the jokes about how Antoine needs to lay off the white castle, etc. But heck, if you held Big Baby Davis to that same standard, there is no darn way the guy would ever see the court. http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/antoine-up-heats-walker-yapped-not-kidnapped-in-chicago
There is absolutely nothing fat about Antoine Walker here.
As for a recent link on Antoine? Yeah, good luck with that one. The Boston Globe just loves to run the long stories on Antoine's money troubles, but obviously won't devote equal time to Antoine's incredible progress in getting into phenomenal shape (in my judgment, likely outworking 95% of the league this summer). If you don't know people who are there or if you aren't following twitter, I guess I can see why people would just say he's 300 lbs and done. Media blackout on positive pro-Antoine coverage, but I'll let everyone know if I ever come across a story on Toine's recent progress.
But yeah, I think that Antoine has overachieved in his career and I explain why in the other thread. It seems to me that a lot of people think Antoine has come up short, and subsequently hold this against him and judge him by a different standard compared to how someone like Robert Horry is judged.