Point Guard Rankings

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    Point Guard Rankings

    I was bored and downloaded somes 2012-2013 regular season stats for the best point guards in the league. I made a formula to score each player which is as follows:

    (PTS+ AST*2  + REB+ STL+ BLK- TOs - Missed FGA - Missed 3PFGA - Missed FTA) / (MPG)

    You can dispute the formula, but I think its fair.

    Interesting results:

    (.94) Paul

    (.86) Parker

    (.85) Rondo

    (.82) Wall

    (.81) Westbrook

    (.73) Rose

    (.67) Irving

    (.66) Curry

    (.66) Williams

    (.66) Lawson

    (.65) Teague

    (.65) Holiday

    (.59) Walker

    (.59) Conley

    (.52) Lillard

     

     
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    Re: Point Guard Rankings

    If you don't normalize the score by minutes, Rondo has the highest score.

    I really wasn't expecting that. I originally was trying to figure out who would be my franchise point guard if I wanted to start a 10 year dynasty. I thought at first it'd clearly be Irving or Lillard, but if you're looking at <25 year olds you'd have to consider Wall, Westbrook, Rose, Irving or Curry. 

     

    I'd still go Irving all day.

     

    Also, I threw in some of the top young SGs and obviously Harden was the highest at .67. If I were to start a backcourt to compete for 10 years, it would hands down be Irving & Harden.

     
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    It is what it is. I think the most recent stats are most applicable. Really, you have to assume that Rondo would have sustained his production with a healthy team and race to the playoffs.

     

    I honestly didn't do this to defend Rondo, Rondo came up as a surprise top score. I really thought Lillard would be higher.

     
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    Re: Point Guard Rankings

    I think Irving is better than wall

     
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    Interesting results, but who is Rose? Derrick Rose? He didn't play in last RS as far as I know.

    Of course no formula is perfect, but I like the approach. The major flaw is that defense is not considered.

     
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    Dumb formula, even a 5 year old could come up with better.

    For ex, deducting missed FGs and FTs when Rondo takes so few weighs heavily in Rondos favor...ridiculous. an obvious attempt by a ROndo worshipper to heap his love on his over rated diva. 

    Sad really

     
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    Re: Point Guard Rankings

    In response to R9R's comment:

    I was bored and downloaded somes 2012-2013 regular season stats for the best point guards in the league. I made a formula to score each player which is as follows:

    (PTS+ AST*2  + REB+ STL+ BLK- TOs - Missed FGA - Missed 3PFGA - Missed FTA) / (MPG)

    You can dispute the formula, but I think its fair.

    Interesting results:

    (.94) Paul

    (.86) Parker

    (.85) Rondo

    (.82) Wall

    (.81) Westbrook

    (.73) Rose

    (.67) Irving

    (.66) Curry

    (.66) Williams

    (.66) Lawson

    (.65) Teague

    (.65) Holiday

    (.59) Walker

    (.59) Conley

    (.52) Lillard

     



    Seems about right to me.

     
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    Re: Point Guard Rankings


    next time try not to skew the data with your formula

     

    a better way to attempt to "rank" players using stats would be

    min/G, FG%, 3pt %, Ft%, Reb/G, Ass/G, Stl/G, Blk/G, TO/G, Pt/G

     

    no "weighing" certain aspects that can skew the resluts one way or another.

     

    using the numbers from here

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_per_game.html

     

    and using ALL PG's that averaged at or near 30 min/g...the "rankings' end up:

    1 GS Stephen Curry

    2 Phil  Jrue Holiday

    3 LAC Chris Paul

    4 Clev  Kyrie Irving

    5 Okl Russell Westbrook

    6 Brk Deron Williams

    7 Bos Rajon Rondo

    8 SA Tony Parker

    9 Wash John Wall

    10 Char Kemba Walker

    11 Port Damian Lillard

    12 Mil Brandon Jennings

    13 Mem Mike Conley

    14 Atl Jeff Teague

    15 Ind George Hill

    16 LAL Steve Nash

    17 Den Ty Lawson

    18 Tor/Det Jose Calderon

    19 NO Greivis Vasquez

    20 Orl Jameer Nelson

    21 Phoe Goran Dragic

    22 Hou Jeremy Lin

    23 NY Ray Felton

    24 Dal Darren Collison

    25 Tor Kyle Lowry

    26 Utah Mo Williams

    27 Minn Ricky Rubio

    28 Det Brandon Knight

    29 Chic Kirk Hinrich

     
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    Re: Point Guard Rankings

    In response to kdp59's comment:


    next time try not to skew the data with your formula

     

    a better way to attempt to "rank" players using stats would be

    min/G, FG%, 3pt %, Ft%, Reb/G, Ass/G, Stl/G, Blk/G, TO/G, Pt/G

     

    no "weighing" certain aspects that can skew the resluts one way or another.

     

    using the numbers from here

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_per_game.html

     

    and using ALL PG's that averaged at or near 30 min/g...the "rankings' end up:

    1 GS Stephen Curry

    2 Phil  Jrue Holiday

    3 LAC Chris Paul

    4 Clev  Kyrie Irving

    5 Okl Russell Westbrook

    6 Brk Deron Williams

    7 Bos Rajon Rondo

    8 SA Tony Parker

    9 Wash John Wall

    10 Char Kemba Walker

    11 Port Damian Lillard

    12 Mil Brandon Jennings

    13 Mem Mike Conley

    14 Atl Jeff Teague

    15 Ind George Hill

    16 LAL Steve Nash

    17 Den Ty Lawson

    18 Tor/Det Jose Calderon

    19 NO Greivis Vasquez

    20 Orl Jameer Nelson

    21 Phoe Goran Dragic

    22 Hou Jeremy Lin

    23 NY Ray Felton

    24 Dal Darren Collison

    25 Tor Kyle Lowry

    26 Utah Mo Williams

    27 Minn Ricky Rubio

    28 Det Brandon Knight

    29 Chic Kirk Hinrich




    what are you talking about? I used those stats and I did not skew anything. I took into account percentages in a fair way. If you're talking about the assists, last time I checked, an assist results in either 2 or 3 points in a play. I chose to under weigh it by multiplying it by 2.

    I also took into account missed filed goal and 3pt attempts since that usually results in loss of a possession. You can say that my cimposit score isn't meaningful, but its not skewed. And sue me for excluding PGs not good enough to make it to the mini camp

     

    Also, on Rose I used his 2011-12 stats since they were morpst recent... I see nothing wrong with that.

     

     

     
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    Re: Point Guard Rankings

    In response to R9R's comment:

     

    I was bored and downloaded somes 2012-2013 regular season stats for the best point guards in the league. I made a formula to score each player which is as follows:

    (PTS+ AST*2  + REB+ STL+ BLK- TOs - Missed FGA - Missed 3PFGA - Missed FTA) / (MPG)

    You can dispute the formula, but I think its fair.

    Interesting results:

    (.94) Paul

    (.86) Parker

    (.85) Rondo

    (.82) Wall

    (.81) Westbrook

    (.73) Rose

    (.67) Irving

    (.66) Curry

    (.66) Williams

    (.66) Lawson

    (.65) Teague

    (.65) Holiday

    (.59) Walker

    (.59) Conley

    (.52) Lillard

     

     



    Good try. But, I will start a new thread with the truth.

     
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    Re: Point Guard Rankings

    In response to R9R's comment:

    I was bored and downloaded somes 2012-2013 regular season stats for the best point guards in the league. I made a formula to score each player which is as follows:

    (PTS+ AST*2  + REB+ STL+ BLK- TOs - Missed FGA - Missed 3PFGA - Missed FTA) / (MPG)

    You can dispute the formula, but I think its fair.

    Interesting results:

    (.94) Paul

    (.86) Parker

    (.85) Rondo

    (.82) Wall

    (.81) Westbrook

    (.73) Rose

    (.67) Irving

    (.66) Curry

    (.66) Williams

    (.66) Lawson

    (.65) Teague

    (.65) Holiday

    (.59) Walker

    (.59) Conley

    (.52) Lillard

     



    R9R,

    Does "Missed FGA" include "Missed 3PFGA"?

    In any case, I don't think that this formula reflects real value of PGs. OTOH, if you're trying to fill position of charlatan John Hollinger @ESPN - good for you, it's a great start.

     

    AK

     

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