Post Your Player Odds

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    Post Your Player Odds

    Come this time next year, what do you feel are the odds for players that willl still be on the team.

    Fav - 100%

    Oly - 100%

    Sully - 80%  (can't under value court-sense and offensive rebounding)

    Green - 70%. He's our defacto leader and we will need a veteran. (unless we draft a SF with our first pick and JG doesn't show consistency at SF or adjust to SG this year.  

    Rondo - 50% (because he is the only quality piece to unload our bad contract(s) and get a high quality player in return... I think Danny will find value in a more all-around player with a longer term better contract than RR will be after.

    Bradley - 50% (because he can't play PG and he is too small and doesn't shoot well enough for the SG. His D will return value in a trade).

    [Odds are 100% that one of either Rondo or Bradley will not be on the team]

    Lee - 30%  (the more we showcase him, the lower his value drops...)

    Bass - 20%  (time to develop real talent for the rebuild)

    Wallace - 20%  (no room for both he and Green and aging Wallace's awful contract)

    Crawford - 20%  (has amazing offensive skills, but has putrid decision making.  Good as a situational player for a loaded team. Horrible for a rebuild looking to establish fundamentals)

    Hump - 0%  (buh bye)

    Brooks, Pressey and Bogans - 0% (temporary bench fillers and trade detritus)

     

     
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    Fav 100%

    Oly 100%

    Green 90%

    Sully 70%

    Rondo 70%

    Bass 50%

    Pressey 50%

    Bradley 40%

    Crawford 30%

    Lee 20%

    Brooks 20%

    Wallace 10%

    Humphries 0%

    Bogans 0%

     

     

     

     
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    My Odds:

    Fav - 80% - Likely stays as an affordable backup Center who can start. Could be used as trade bait, could pull a Darko and chose not to make money playing basketball

    Oly - 80% - 20% chance he's included in a trade after a promising rookie year

    Sully - 60% - A good chance a decision is made on whether to keep KO or Sully if both prove to be capable starting PFs. I see Sully as a key piece in a trade to upgrade at the PF spot to a Lamarcus Aldridge type.

    Green - 50% - Either he gets moved when we select Jabari Parker in the 2014 draft, or he is kept when we use the pick to cash in on a 20-10 PF/C type (Aldridge), a true 50/50

    Rondo - 80% - Most valuable asset, but its very doubtful we get full value in return. If things go south and there is an offer for a young potential blue-chipper and a high draft pick a la Jrue Holiday trade, Rondo gets moved. Very unlikely.

    Bradley - 70% - A lot depends on how he plays with Rondo back. Even if Bradley is not the SG of the future, its difficult for teams to move players in their QO year. I doubt a team offers him the upper end of his range (4-8M). If someone crazily offers Bradley 8M, I don't see how DA matches that.

    Lee - 40% - Ideally he is packaged with Bass for a single better player. Danny may look to deal Lee for an expiring contract. With three years left on the deal, it'll be a tough move.

    Bass - 20% - Best trade asset we have. Bass can help a contending team without disrupting their chemestry. 

    Wallace - 60% - Danny's main focus. Try to move him for anything, hopefully expiring contracts. It also depends on Green's future. If Green is traded and Parker is selected in the draft, Wallace is palatable as an expensive backup SF & Vet. He'll prove difficult to move.

    Crawford - 20% - I bet you Danny looks to keep him as a cheap combo guard backup after there is no interest in the free agent market. Could easily be dealt as an expiring contract. I'd keep him for 3 years 6M TOTAL.

    Brooks - 20% - Could be used in a trade as an expiring, otherwise if no offers next summer, he could be brought back using bird rights in a late summer deal

    Pressey - 20% - Pressey is a hard worker, will be cheap, but can he be an effective backup PG?

    Hump - 0% Maybe part of a trade, but most likely salary reduction

    Bogans - 0% 

     

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    There are no players on this team who are GUARENTEED to be here next year. There are only a few players of that caliber in the entire LEAGUE (aside from no-trade-contract guys). Nobody except Rondo on this team is a real potential franchise player.

     

    Again, I don't think Sully & KO can be the front-court of the future. Both are PFs. Perhaps one is a starter, the other off the bench, but there is no championship ring with those two as your PF & C

     
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    There are no players on this team who are GUARENTEED to be here next year. There are only a few players of that caliber in the entire LEAGUE (aside from no-trade-contract guys). Nobody except Rondo on this team is a real potential franchise player.

     

    Again, I don't think Sully & KO can be the front-court of the future. Both are PFs. Perhaps one is a starter, the other off the bench, but there is no championship ring with those two as your PF & C

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    I agree and with Sully being undersized as far as height is concerned and with potential reoccurring back issues it's best to trade him while his value is increasing before the unexpected happens. He, Hump & Bass are probably our best trade assets unless someone makes an offer that can't be refused for Rondo.

     
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    There are no players on this team who are GUARENTEED to be here next year. There are only a few players of that caliber in the entire LEAGUE (aside from no-trade-contract guys). Nobody except Rondo on this team is a real potential franchise player.

     

    Again, I don't think Sully & KO can be the front-court of the future. Both are PFs. Perhaps one is a starter, the other off the bench, but there is no championship ring with those two as your PF & C

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    I agree and with Sully being undersized as far as height is concerned and with potential reoccurring back issues it's best to trade him while his value is increasing before the unexpected happens. He, Hump & Bass are probably our best trade assets unless someone makes an offer that can't be refused for Rondo.

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    Exactly. This is why I think Hump, Sully & our 2014 pick is more than enough to fetch Lamarcus Aldridge. Maybe we can even sneakily get away with the pick being protected? How awesome would that be? a top 8 protected pick ... we land #4, draft Jabari Parker... lets say we pull off the Asik trade as well... 

     

    YOUR 2014 BOSTON CELTICS!:

    Rondo / Pressey 

    Bradley / Crawford

    Parker / Green / Wallace

    Aldridge / Olynyk

    Asik / Favarani

     

    That's a team with HEALTHY starting line-up issues, as in too much competiting talent ... btw ... you could also play a nasty big lineup of Rondo, Green, Parker, Aldridge, Asik considering what we've seen thus far this year.

     
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    If Toronto is willing to give up Lowry for Nash why don't the C's offer Bogans for Lowry?

     

    http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/11/04/nba-rumors-and-news-for-november-4-2013/

     
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    If Toronto is willing to give up Lowry for Nash why don't the C's offer Bogans for Lowry?

     

    http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/11/04/nba-rumors-and-news-for-november-4-2013/

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    LOWRY STINKS!

    and Bogans isn't a Canadian!


    There's two reasons right there

     
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    Hahaha you racist (right Fungus?) ... And Bogans doesn't stink as well?

    I just want to kill two birds with one stone by getting even with the Fakers for screwing up the Jermaine O'Neal for David West trade a few years ago and getting a real PG so AB can go back to SG.

     
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    Hahaha you racist (right Fungus?) ... And Bogans doesn't stink as well?

    I just want to kill two birds with one stone by getting even with the Fakers for screwing up the Jermaine O'Neal for David West trade a few years ago and getting a real PG so AB can go back to SG.

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    Aint racist .. its the truth. Last time I check canadian is a nationality, not a race.

    Lowry plain sucks, but there's no reason for Toronto to do a Bogans for Lowry swap. If anything i gets them slightly worse for this year, and makes us slightly better for this year. Kind of opposite of what we're going for.

     

     
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    Hahaha you racist (right Fungus?) ... And Bogans doesn't stink as well?

    I just want to kill two birds with one stone by getting even with the Fakers for screwing up the Jermaine O'Neal for David West trade a few years ago and getting a real PG so AB can go back to SG.

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    Aint racist .. its the truth. Last time I check canadian is a nationality, not a race.

    Lowry plain sucks, but there's no reason for Toronto to do a Bogans for Lowry swap. If anything i gets them slightly worse for this year, and makes us slightly better for this year. Kind of opposite of what we're going for.

     

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    Pulling your chain ... Fungus thinks differentiating between Americans and Europeans is racist!

    Why would they take back Nash ... two years @ $9MM? We could use Lowry for the remainder of the year and as a backup to Rondo. Personally I'd rather waive Bogans, reduce our cap expense and sign a guy like Marshall (though the scouting report out of Phoenix isn't very flattering) at the minimum.

     
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    Hahaha you racist (right Fungus?) ... And Bogans doesn't stink as well?

    I just want to kill two birds with one stone by getting even with the Fakers for screwing up the Jermaine O'Neal for David West trade a few years ago and getting a real PG so AB can go back to SG.

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    Aint racist .. its the truth. Last time I check canadian is a nationality, not a race.

    Lowry plain sucks, but there's no reason for Toronto to do a Bogans for Lowry swap. If anything i gets them slightly worse for this year, and makes us slightly better for this year. Kind of opposite of what we're going for.

     

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    Pulling your chain ... Fungus thinks differentiating between Americans and Europeans is racist!

    Why would they take back Nash ... two years @ $9MM? We could use Lowry for the remainder of the year and as a backup to Rondo. Personally I'd rather waive Bogans, reduce our cap expense and sign a guy like Marshall (though the scouting report out of Phoenix isn't very flattering) at the minimum.

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    We can't waive Bogans and reduce cap space.  

     
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    R9R is correct.

    There is a Nash to Toronto rumor.

    But Bogans for Lowry is a joke, just like the one who proposed it. 

     

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    Up yours and R9R didn't bring up the Nash for Lowry trade ... I did.

     
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    Hahaha you racist (right Fungus?) ... And Bogans doesn't stink as well?

    I just want to kill two birds with one stone by getting even with the Fakers for screwing up the Jermaine O'Neal for David West trade a few years ago and getting a real PG so AB can go back to SG.

     



    Aint racist .. its the truth. Last time I check canadian is a nationality, not a race.

     

    Lowry plain sucks, but there's no reason for Toronto to do a Bogans for Lowry swap. If anything i gets them slightly worse for this year, and makes us slightly better for this year. Kind of opposite of what we're going for.

     




    Pulling your chain ... Fungus thinks differentiating between Americans and Europeans is racist!

    Why would they take back Nash ... two years @ $9MM? We could use Lowry for the remainder of the year and as a backup to Rondo. Personally I'd rather waive Bogans, reduce our cap expense and sign a guy like Marshall (though the scouting report out of Phoenix isn't very flattering) at the minimum.

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    We can't waive Bogans and reduce cap space.  

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    Yes you can ... you can negotiate a buyout, waive the player for the guaranteed buyout and then stretch the buyout over twice the contract period (1 yr) plus an additional year for a total of three years. So if Bogans agreed to a $4MM buyout then the C's would only have their cap hit for $4MM/3yrs or $1.33MM this year and the next two instead of $5MM this year.

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/28/nba-stretch-provision-may-mean-more-bad-contracts/

     
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    Again, why would Bogans agree to take $4M when he can get $5M ??? He knows he will not be resigned by the Celtics anyway.  There is NOTHING that would motivate him to negotiate a buyout a a lower price.

     
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    Again, why would Bogans agree to take $4M when he can get $5M ??? He knows he will not be resigned by the Celtics anyway.  There is NOTHING that would motivate him to negotiate a buyout a a lower price.

     




    Yes there is ... More $ and playing on a team that isn't in rebuild mode. Once he's waived he can sign with another team ... whether it's for vet min or more, a one year deal or multi-year deal. Either way he can move on and still pocket at least $4-5MM for this season.

     

    Toronto got under the tax threshold using the buyout on Camby. The C's can do the same thing. Say Bogans agrees to $3.5MM buyout with the C's. They can reduce their cap hit by $1.5MM this year and may be able to spread it over two years though I'm not sure since the stretch wouldn't apply after 8/31st and the guaranteed $ was only for one season.

     

    http://sportingnews.asia/raptors8217-buyout-of-camby-saved-2-mil-nd467536

    Camby arrived with two years remaining on his deal at $4.4 [guaranteed the 1st year] and $4.2 million, the second season was partially guaranteed at just over $1 million — leaving a total of $5.4 million in guaranteed salary.

    The buyout for Camby will knock off $2 million, paying him a total of $3.4 million.  The Raptors taking a cap hit of $2.8 million for the coming season and $646k for 2014/15.

     

     

     

     
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    Fav - 100% 

    Oly - 100% 

    Sully - 95%  

    Wallace - 90%  - Going to be hard to move this contract. 

    Rondo - 90% 

    Green - 80% 

    Brooks - 60% - $2.2M Team Option in 2014-15 so they will give him a look eventually

    Bass - 55% - Under contract until the 2014-15 season so DA will have to find a deal

    Lee - 55% - Same as Bass

    Bradley - 51% - $3.6M Qualifying Offer in 2014-15

    Crawford - 49% - $3.2M Qualifying Offer in 2014-15

    Pressey - 25% - FA

    Hump - 0%  - FA

    Bogans -  0% - FA

     
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    The stretch provision is very useful for contracts bigger than 5m.

    You really want to stretch a 5m expiring contract?

    Dumb!

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    No, too small and the stretch can only be used in July & August.

     
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    No, too small and the stretch can only be used in July & August.

     

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    So why did you propose using the stretch on Bogans in the first place?

     

     

    That's why I told you it's dumb!

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    wasn't dumb when it was doable and had they done it in July/August Danny'd have room under the cap to pick up another young player like Marshall or give Babb a chance with a non-guaranteed contract.

    As I said above ... If Bogans will negotiate a buyout Danny can still create some space and another roster spot w/o having to wait till next season to waive Bogans ... Something you obviously didn't have the "gray matter" to contemplate.

     
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