Predictions-Celtics lineup next year

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : 1000% wrong. Lets say Boston signs Hibbert, Humphries, Mayo and Beasley for $29m. That leaves them $1m under cap. So, you think they could do a S & T for Deron Williams since they are under the cap, and then sign Bass, Green, etc? This is comical.
    Posted by Mark from Ct[/QUOTE]

    By that time the cap hold would be too high to do a S&T for a huge FA unless you were parting with Pierce .... GOT IT?
     
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    [QUOTE]If Boston trades for someone while under the cap, they can't go over the cap to trade for that player.
    Posted by Mark from Ct[/QUOTE]

    They can if they are doing a S&T with an expiring contract ... it happens all the time ... GOT IT?!?!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : Are you asleep? I said RENOUNCE Ray & KG to clear their cap holds ... Got it? Then, RESIGN each at $5M with their cap holds now reduced from $22M and $15M respectively to $7.5M each ..... GOT IT? Now we have no cap hold or salary cap restrictions to use the remaining $20M to sign FA's or send an existing contract or pick to another team for another player ... say Jack or Dragic .... GOT IT? Use $15M for Hawes & Humpries ... Trade for Beasley which puts as at or over the cap .... Then sign Stiemsma, Bass, Pietrus and Green .... GOT IT????
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Each player has a cap hold. KG and Ray's cap hold does not open up $20m.
    Once Boston hits the salary cap, Green, Bass and anyone else would have to be signed at Vets Min.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : They can if they are doing a S&T with an expiring contract ... it happens all the time ... GOT IT?!?!
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Name one time a team was under the cap, then they made a S&T which brought them over the cap.
     
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    mployee8, you are going to be highly disappointed with the players that Boston will be able to sign this summer. Your analysis of cap rules is completely wrong.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : Each player has a cap hold. KG and Ray's cap hold does not open up $20m. Once Boston hits the salary cap, Green, Bass and anyone else would have to be signed at Vets Min.
    Posted by Mark from Ct[/QUOTE]

    It eliminates their cap holds and lets us legally use our remaining $20M for free agents, S&T's and 1st round draft picks if we keep them.

    Do you realize that once under the cap we are free to sign another team's RFA or UFA in a S&T without matching salaries? Sure, once we execute the S&T our cap space is reduced by the players salary but we can make deals to our advantage with teams looking to cut salary.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : It eliminates their cap holds and lets us legally use our remaining $20M for free agents, S&T's and 1st round draft picks if we keep them. Do you realize that once under the cap we are free to sign another team's RFA or UFA in a S&T without matching salaries? Sure, once we execute the S&T our cap space is reduced by the players salary but we can make deals to our advantage with teams looking to cut salary.
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Boston can do any sign and trades that they want while under the cap. They could not go over the cap to do a S & T.
     
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    [QUOTE]mployee8, you are going to be highly disappointed with the players that Boston will be able to sign this summer. Your analysis of cap rules is completely wrong.
    Posted by Mark from Ct[/QUOTE]

    You can't handle the Truth being a Laker Fan with your hands tied behind your back from overinflated long term contracts .... So sorry our C's have such a competitive advantage to your team, but live with it!
     
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    How come neither of you two Einsteins have questioned the status of Green as an UFA with Bird Rights .... do both of you concede the fact or are you "unsure?"
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : You can't handle the Truth being a Laker Fan with your hands tied behind your back from overinflated long term contracts .... So sorry our C's have such a competitive advantage to your team, but live with it!
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Good attempt at trying to change the subject.
    I am pretty happy with LA's core 4 of Kobe/Bynum/Gasol/Sessions along with an $8.9m trade exception they can use this summer. They also have a new TV contract that will pay them between $150m to $200m annually.
     
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    [QUOTE]How come neither of you two Einsteins have questioned the status of Green as an UFA with Bird Rights .... do both of you concede the fact or are you "unsure?"
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Whether he was an UFA or RFA with Bird rights, that is irrelevant in this discussion. The only difference is flexibility for Green and Boston not being able to automatically match a contract offer that is made to Green.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : We already discussed this last December. Jeff Green is an unrestricted FA, the Celts rescinded his contract. NO BIRD RIGHTS!
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    Wrong!!!


    http://www.rantsports.com/boston-celtics/2012/01/08/boston-celtics-jeff-green-gets-favor-from-boston-with-offer-pull/

    Before anyone thinks this is the end of Jeff Green in Boston there is a very important fact to remember. The Celtics still own Bird Rights on Green. This means they can pay out more money than anyone else and over the cap to retain his services. However, Boston is so ridiculously under the cap next year this is quite possibly a moot point. Green also loves Boston and appreciates the way the organization has handled this situation. He also has unfinished business in Boston after his disappointing playoff year. He wanted to prove that he could play in Boston.
     
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    F34, it is funny that he is using this as his ace in the hole...

    He needed to try to get us on something after striking out every time up.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : We already discussed this last December. Jeff Green is an unrestricted FA, the Celts rescinded his contract. NO BIRD RIGHTS!
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]


    We have to get him for 4-5 mill
    spend BIG on a big
    trade Rondo, and get a SG via the draft or FA

    We will then be able to keep Ray and KG if we want to.
    We will have about 21 mill to play with
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : We have to get him for 4-5 mill spend BIG on a big trade Rondo, and get a SG via the draft or FA We will then be able to keep Ray and KG if we want to. We will have about 21 mill to play with
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11[/QUOTE]

    Agreed except trade Rondo unless it's for DWill ....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Predictions-Celtics lineup next year : I agree that we have to get Jeff Green back. What I don't agree is the wingnut saying the Celts can go over the cap even if the Celts start free-agency under the cap. The rule says you can't go over the cap once you start free-agency under the cap.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    Which is why Rondo will be traded in the off-season!!
     
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    In Avery Bradley Boston trusts...???
     
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    Can a team with cap room sign all the free agents it wants (up to the salary cap) and THEN re-sign its own free agents using the Bird exception?

    A team's ability to do this is very limited. The team's free agents continue to count against their team salary (against the salary cap). This charge is called the "free agent amount." There may not be enough money available under the cap to sign another team's free agent, because the team's own free agents are taking up all their cap room.

     

    That's why renouncing KG & Ray solves that problem  Mutt & Jeff ... Get it?

     

    Why do free agents continue to count against a team's cap?

    It closes another loophole. Teams otherwise would be able to sign other teams' free agents using their cap room, and then turn their attention to their own free agents using the Bird exceptions. This rule restricts their ability to do that. It doesn't close this loophole completely -- for example, in 2005 Michael Redd's free agent amount was $6 million, even though the Bucks intended to re-sign him for the maximum salary. By waiting to sign Redd last, the Bucks were able to take advantage of the difference by signing Bobby Simmons. Had they signed Redd first, they would have had no cap room to sign Simmons.

     

    When do free agents stop counting against the team's cap?

    When any one of the following three things happen:

    • The player signs a new contract with the same team. When this happens, the player's effect on his team's team salary is based on his new salary.
    • The player signs with a different team. As soon as this happens, the player becomes the new team's problem, and his salary no longer counts against his old team.
    • The team renounces the player. (See question number 34)


    What does renouncing a player mean?

    As detailed in question number 31, free agents continue to be included in team salary. By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exceptions (see question number 19) to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. After renouncing a player, the team is still permitted to re-sign that player, but must either have enough cap room to fit the salary, or sign the player using the Minimum Salary exception. The exception to this is an Early Bird free agent who is coming off the second season of his rookie scale contract. Such players, when renounced, are treated as Non-Bird free agents.

      After renouncing a player, a team can still trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement.

     

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