Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : I find that hard to believe considering you would trade Ray Allen for Danny Granger in a minute. 
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]
     But not Mike Miller, or Antawn Jameison, like you wanted to! Don't lie and try to wessel your way out of it.

     You may not want Mikki Moore, but you sure wanted Mike Miller!!
     
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    Its nice to know that you could have a Mercedes or a Beamer. But when you can have both of them... boy you are rich rich rich.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce :  But not Mike Miller, or Antawn Jameison, like you wanted to! Don't lie and try to wessel your way out of it.  You may not want Mikki Moore, but you sure wanted Mike Miller!!
    Posted by kyceltic[/QUOTE]

    Show proof that I wanted to trade Ray Allen for Mike Miller. 

    The difference between you and I is I'm not a liar, but clearly you are.
     
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     All my posts from when i first started are right there for anyone to see, if they want to see them, at the time i said them, i said what i felt at that time. I know every ones not going to agree with everything someone says. That's fine, that's what i like about this board. I have never posted anything under any other name except KyCeltic, because you may not like what i say, but at least i don't hide behind 3 or 4 other names to say something, and i have never removed any of my older posts, because i have nothing to hide. What reason would someone have for not wanting anyone to see what they posted, a year or 2 years ago?
    Maybe fear of being exposed as a fraud, or worse, i don't know, maybe P34 will tell us!!!
     
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    [QUOTE] All my posts from when i first started are right there for anyone to see, if they want to see them, at the time i said them, i said what i felt at that time. I know every ones not going to agree with everything someone says. That's fine, that's what i like about this board. I have never posted anything under any other name except KyCeltic, because you may not like what i say, but at least i don't hide behind 3 or 4 other names to say something, and i have never removed any of my older posts, because i have nothing to hide. What reason would someone have for not wanting anyone to see what they posted, a year or 2 years ago? Maybe fear of being exposed as a fraud, or worse, i don't know, maybe P34 will tell us!!!
    Posted by kyceltic[/QUOTE]

    That's what I thought, you tried to pull a fast one by saying that I wanted to trade Ray for Mike Miller. Didn't work out for you because the salaries won't match, right?

    You're trying to act like the victim by telling us that you have nothing to hide. If that's the case then why don't you man up and tell us why you hate Paul Pierce so much. So why, kyceltic, why do you hate Paul Pierce so much?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : That's what I thought, you tried to pull a fast one by saying that I wanted to trade Ray for Mike Miller. Didn't work out for you because the salaries won't match, right? You're trying to act like the victim by telling us that you have nothing to hide. If that's the case then why don't you man up and tell us why you hate Paul Pierce so much. So why, kyceltic, why do you hate Paul Pierce so much?
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

     Trying to take the focus off of you wanting to trade for Miller, by bringing you know who back up, won't work. Tell me would you still make that trade.
     
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    Most  knowledgeable fans know that Ray should have been the MVP, and the only reason they gave it to Pierce is because he had been a Celtic his whole career.

     I still remember he hardly noticed the Championship trophy, he was so busy kissing the MVP trophy that they gave him. But who would have expected anything less from Paul.

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     Most  knowledgeable fans know that Ray should have been the MVP, and the only reason they gave it to Pierce is because he had been a Celtic his whole career.

     I still remember he hardly noticed the Championship trophy, he was so busy kissing the MVP trophy that they gave him. But who would have expected anything less from Paul.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : The Seattle Sonics already tried that formula, rame. Remember when it was Rashard Lewis at SF and Ray Allen at SG? Rashard Lewis had his best years when he was with the Sonics and playing with Ray. But they never went far in the playoffs.
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    I don't think they ever made the playoffs.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : Ha... clearly that is what i said... I meant it as I'd rather take elite superstar SG Ray and then add a very good starter like Caron Butler, Andre Iguodala or Luol Deng next to him at SF. Those guys give you 75% of PP and are easier to find. If I chose elite superstar Pierce at SF and then went to find a SG who'd give me 75% of what Ray does I'd end up with Morrow, Jason Terry or Michael Redd... Clearly Ray is a talent that is harder to replace. I'd say they are both equally in the same range historically as all-time greats.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    I would take Jason Terry in a heartbeat

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : Ha... clearly that is what i said... I meant it as I'd rather take elite superstar SG Ray and then add a very good starter like Caron Butler, Andre Iguodala or Luol Deng next to him at SF. Those guys give you 75% of PP and are easier to find. If I chose elite superstar Pierce at SF and then went to find a SG who'd give me 75% of what Ray does I'd end up with Morrow, Jason Terry or Michael Redd... Clearly Ray is a talent that is harder to replace. I'd say they are both equally in the same range historically as all-time greats.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    Clearly Pierce is harder to replace. Take for instance when Rondo was out.  You would think the off guard would be the playmaker wouldn't you?  I believe it was PP that cranked out the assists. How many players can go toe to toe with the Lebrons of the world.  I rest my case.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : I don't think they ever made the playoffs.
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    I believe they did make the playoffs.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : The Seattle Sonics already tried that formula, rame. Remember when it was Rashard Lewis at SF and Ray Allen at SG? Rashard Lewis had his best years when he was with the Sonics and playing with Ray. But they never went far in the playoffs.
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    I'd take Rashard and Ray over Paul and Antoine... kinda gotta add KG, Rondo, Perk, Posey etc to win a title... duh
     
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    Petey good call - better to keep PP vs Ray as a separate thread. Only problem is that anyone who wanted to trade Ray Allen for Danny Grainger can't be the ultimate Ray Allen advocate. KY has to tap out. 

    The problem is that both have secured their legacies by playing together for championships and finals appearances. Therefore they are bonded in a certain way that will mean this argument can never be settled. 

    Pierce will always be the greater Celtic but that's just due to the time he put in with the franchise. 

    They are both excellent players. Pierce is the more complete player in my view with more ability to put the ball in his hands to decide what to do in late game situations. But Ray will soon be the three point all time leader. 

    Both of them came up a bit small in the NBA finals last year but having said that, I admire the heck out of them and am thrilled they are on my team. I love this particular Celtics team and their understanding of the team concept. It's a pleasure to root for them.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : I'd take Rashard and Ray over Paul and Antoine... kinda gotta add KG, Rondo, Perk, Posey etc to win a title... duh
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    If Rashard and Ray were the 2 and 3 that means for the Celtics it was PP and Eric Williams as the 2 and 3. Don't forget that when Toine was a Celtic he exclusively played PF.
     
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    [QUOTE]Petey good call - better to keep PP vs Ray as a separate thread. Only problem is that anyone who wanted to trade Ray Allen for Danny Grainger can't be the ultimate Ray Allen advocate. KY has to tap out.  
    Posted by BostonTrollSpanker[/QUOTE]

    ROFL
     
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    What?!

    I can't believe there is a thread for this. *duh* Why can't we all just get along?

    Oh well, let me add wood to the fire and say that Ray Allen is definitely better than Paul Pierce.  Why?  Because Ray is my favorite player.  haha.
     
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    [QUOTE]What?! I can't believe there is a thread for this. *duh* Why can't we all just get along? Oh well, let me add wood to the fire and say that Ray Allen is definitely better than Paul Pierce.  Why?  Because Ray is my favorite player.  haha.
    Posted by rayallen1[/QUOTE]

    There's nothing wrong with saying that Ray is better because he's your favorite player. At least we know you are a true Ray Allen fan. 

    A true Ray Allen fan would NEVER trade Ray Allen for Danny Granger in a minute.
     
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    Allen- Our Offensive Superstar
    Garnett- Our D/ Mid-Range Specialist
    Pierce- Little bit of both, along with some clutch performance.

    That's why he is the captain!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : If Rashard and Ray were the 2 and 3 that means for the Celtics it was PP and Eric Williams as the 2 and 3. Don't forget that when Toine was a Celtic he exclusively played PF.
    Posted by ConnectingRod[/QUOTE]

    They were the best and 2nd best players on the team at the time, which is the point, AND Rashard and Antoine are essentially the same player, tweener forwards that jack 3's
     
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    As far as hall of fame credentials, I think it is clear Paul Pierce has the upper hand.  Paul Pierce has been built a career on being a better overall player.  Ray of course is a hall of famer as well due to his longevity and three point shooting ability.  It is amazing to think their production hasn't dropped off in the past 3 years.  One of the hosts from Ball Chat is from Boston and he talks about this alot.  www.ballchat.podbean.com
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : They were the best and 2nd best players on the team at the time, which is the point, AND Rashard and Antoine are essentially the same player, tweener forwards that jack 3's
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    rame, I think that was not your original argument. You didn't say pairing Ray or Pierce with the 2nd best player on the team. 

    Here's what you said:

    I meant it as I'd rather take elite superstar SG Ray and then add a very good starter like Caron Butler, Andre Iguodala or Luol Deng next to him at SF. Those guys give you 75% of PP and are easier to find. 

    If I chose elite superstar Pierce at SF and then went to find a SG who'd give me 75% of what Ray does I'd end up with Morrow, Jason Terry or Michael Redd...
     
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    I would say that PP has the edge defensively but honestly if i had to put the ball in one person's hand for the last shot to win it all I would choose Ray because Paul would probably go for an ugly looking shot trying to draw a foul... on the other hand I think Paul has more intensity i like that.. can we just choose BOTH?!
     
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    [QUOTE]I would say that PP has the edge defensively but honestly if i had to put the ball in one person's hand for the last shot to win it all I would choose Ray because Paul would probably go for an ugly looking shot trying to draw a foul... on the other hand I think Paul has more intensity i like that.. can we just choose BOTH?!
    Posted by KGLove[/QUOTE]

    Of course we can choose both, KG.  This whole silly argument is ridiculous.  Except 2 fans who draw us in, we ALL love Paul AND Ray.  Tonight neither had their best game but that happens.  We are a great team because we have 2 great scorers, a defensive and intense leader in KG, a great passer in Paul, and a great coach in Doc.  Why do we have to knit pick and try to choose which one of them is better?   I choose BOTH like you.......and I'm glad the Celtics have them both.

    I wonder if we went on the Heat board if they argue about whether Lebron or Wade is better?
     
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    [QUOTE]I would say that PP has the edge defensively but honestly if i had to put the ball in one person's hand for the last shot to win it all I would choose Ray because Paul would probably go for an ugly looking shot trying to draw a foul... on the other hand I think Paul has more intensity i like that.. can we just choose BOTH?!
    Posted by KGLove[/QUOTE]

    The Celtics and some of the Celtic fans are lucky because they both have Ray and Pierce. 

    That's why I'm really having a hard time understanding why a Celtic fan could hate Paul Pierce so much. The Celtics won last night and Pierce went 5-8 from the field and the first thing the Paul Pierce hater said was, "Paul has always been good in blow out games!!"

    HAHAHA!!!
     
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ray Allen vs Paul Pierce : Of course we can choose both, KG.  This whole silly argument is ridiculous.  Except 2 fans who draw us in, we ALL love Paul AND Ray.  Tonight neither had their best game but that happens.  We are a great team because we have 2 great scorers, a defensive and intense leader in KG, a great passer in Paul, and a great coach in Doc.  Why do we have to knit pick and try to choose which one of them is better?   I choose BOTH like you.......and I'm glad the Celtics have them both. I wonder if we went on the Heat board if they argue about whether Lebron or Wade is better?
    Posted by Celtsfan4life[/QUOTE]

    I know I'm one of the fans you're referring to. The difference is I'm a Celtic fan who loves both Pierce and Ray. While the other fan you're referring to would trade Ray Allen for Danny Granger in a minute!
     

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