Re: Reason Why Threads Get Hijacked
posted at 2/9/2014 11:45 PM EST
So it is 4-0-1 in my favor just today.
Let's look back at the past:
Boozer issue - Draw (for 3 more weeks), while I and others here know my points for Chicago keeping Boozer over selling a great draft pick to be rid of his last year were better, Fierce still has 3 weeks before the deadline to hope this 'very good' possible trade idea of his happens.
No chance now that Deng was dealt (wasn't that the better Bulls trade Fierce? Didn't you say they would trade Boozer for an expiring to extend Deng? Woops! Wrong AGAIN).
Celtics were right to draft Melo over my guy Moultrie b/c Melo fit a team positional need better. Melo a bust, moultrie showed a lot of promise before an injury. - Fierce wrong
Moultrie was not a fit because he was redundant with Jeff Green. Even back in college Moultrie was a rebound machine stretch 5 in the Bosh/Ibaka mold. he rarely shot beyond 15-18" Green has played some SG and is an athletic wing. - Fierce wrong
The Celtics lost in 2010 because they did not average over 40 rebounds a game and it was inevidable b/c of that stat and hoe historic it was (stats don't lie). I called bogus on that. It was just a matter of time. The Heat won in 2013 averaging less rebounds a game than the 2010 Celtics. - Fierce wrong
The Celtics lost the finals in 2010 more b/c they were a bad rebounding team than b/c of injuries. The Celtics were up 3-2 when minutes into game 6 their starting C and best rebounder was injured. That should be enough evidence right there. Need more? They would have closed it out at home if Ray made two 3's (his career average %) in game 3 and could not b/c Artest hurt took his legs away. The 2012 playoffs KG was DOMINANT on the boards. He was still recovering in 2010. He wasn't old and washed up as 2012 proved, he was hurt. - Fierce wrong
I will reluctantly give Fierce the 'Sully should not be traded for Varejao' victory b/c Sully has met my expectations for his entire career much quicker and it was too much to gamble on Varajao being the missing link even before he and Rondo both ended up hurt for the second half of last season.
However, I will not concede that a team with a small title window should not consider trading a rookie who could be a future all-star for a veteran who greatly increased their title chances. I am sure the '87 or '88 Celtics would have given up Reggie Lewis (or the pick they used on him) to add Mychel Thompson or Adrian Dantley. Those players were both veterans who put the Lakers and Pistons over the top those years (years they beat the Celtics who were the 2nd and 3rd best teams). If Fierce disagrees he would be wrong.
Fierce was wrong to say I could not discuss objectively and make a case for Rondo and Wallace to Indiana for Hill, Granger, two draft picks and tons of $ savings was 'fair' value.
Fierce is wrong to continue to say that I feel the player swap of Rondo for Hill is fair. That is a LIE and I never said that.
Fierce was right once is some argument over a trade I wanted with Phoenic involving Dragic and Dudley being possible b/c of some new salary cap condition i was unaware of.
Totals before today:
6-2 Ram (75%)
Totals after today:
10-2 Ram (83%)
Totals when Boozer is not traded in 3 weeks:
11-2 Ram (85%)
Totals if Fierce says that under no circumstances should a contender with a small championship window trade a likely future all-star for a 30ish veteran who makes them a title favorite.
12-2 Ram (87%)
Then we'll just have to wait until Gordan Hayward gets over 11.5 million a year this summer and/or Olynyk develops into an all-star/playoff teams 2nd best player to determine who won our other disagreement.
Do you have other examples of where you 'won' Fierce?
I mean it will shorty be at 85% on the 13 examples I provided. I said 70-80% before today's beating. So there must be at least 1-2 more out there where you won. Remember, my trade speculation are never predictions, so you can't get me there.
I guess if the Celtics do not win 32 games I will have lost that one. Probably will. Remember I said they will win 36 with this current roster and no minor trades that weaken it. 32 with minor trades that weaken the team (Lee and Craw for Bayless/Anthony weakened it), 28 games if they make a trade of a guy like Green, Bass or Bradley and 24 games if they trade Rondo.