Rondo and the 3-point shot

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    Rondo and the 3-point shot

    I don't think Rondo will succeed in Stevens' system if he can't make open 3-pointers.

    Rondo got away with it when Doc was coach.

    I don't think Stevens' system will be successful if the PG passes up open 3-point shots.

     

    It will be like oil and water if Rondo is not a decent 3-point shooter and he's playing in Brad Stevens' system.

     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from Mployee8. Show Mployee8's posts

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    What % made qualifies as "decent?"

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from ANONMD08. Show ANONMD08's posts

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    In response to Fiercy's comment:
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    I don't think Rondo will succeed in Stevens' system if he can't make open 3-pointers.

    Rondo got away with it when Doc was coach.

    I don't think Stevens' system will be successful if the PG passes up open 3-point shots.

     

    It will be like oil and water if Rondo is not a decent 3-point shooter and he's playing in Brad Stevens' system.

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    We don't know yet. Let him play some before passing judgement on him.

     
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    Hi,

    I think BrSt showed, so far, that he can adapt. So, when RR is back, he will adapt to what RR can and can not do.

     

    AK

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from chetgnat. Show chetgnat's posts

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    i don't see this team looking for 3's at all. certainly not the j-craw style, off-balance, 47 footers. no, rondo can't shoot 3's and isn't that good of a shooter at all, but i don't think that will matter. he will penetrate and dish to sully, kelly, and sometimes wallace.

     

    while jeff green looks on passionlessly from beyond the arc. 

     
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    Rondo when he's got his mind on it can make others around him look good. hopefully there will be an improvement in other players games.

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from Fiercy. Show Fiercy's posts

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    i don't see this team looking for 3's at all. certainly not the j-craw style, off-balance, 47 footers. no, rondo can't shoot 3's and isn't that good of a shooter at all, but i don't think that will matter. he will penetrate and dish to sully, kelly, and sometimes wallace.

     

    while jeff green looks on passionlessly from beyond the arc. 



    How can Rondo penetrate if his man is staying at the FT line daring him to shoot the open 3?

     

     

    The reason why Rondo was able to penetrate at will in the past was because of KG, Pierce, and Ray.

     

    Every NBA team knows Rondo's weakness.

    The only solution to that is if Rondo makes them pay when they leave him open at the 3-point line.

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from Fiercy. Show Fiercy's posts

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    What % made qualifies as "decent?"



    33%

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from Fiercy. Show Fiercy's posts

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    In response to sinus007's comment:

    Hi,

    I think BrSt showed, so far, that he can adapt. So, when RR is back, he will adapt to what RR can and can not do.

     

    AK



    Not sure about that.

     

    Vitor and Marshon can't adapt to what Stevens want them to do, that's why they keep sitting on the bench.

     
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    In response to sinus007's comment:
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    Hi,

    I think BrSt showed, so far, that he can adapt. So, when RR is back, he will adapt to what RR can and can not do.

     

    AK

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    yep

     
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    If they back off of Rondo, it make him a very good passer.

     
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    Re: Rondo and the 3-point shot

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    In response to chetgnat's comment:

     

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    i don't see this team looking for 3's at all. certainly not the j-craw style, off-balance, 47 footers. no, rondo can't shoot 3's and isn't that good of a shooter at all, but i don't think that will matter. he will penetrate and dish to sully, kelly, and sometimes wallace.

     

    while jeff green looks on passionlessly from beyond the arc. 

     

     



    How can Rondo penetrate if his man is staying at the FT line daring him to shoot the open 3?

     

     

    The reason why Rondo was able to penetrate at will in the past was because of KG, Pierce, and Ray.

     

    Every NBA team knows Rondo's weakness.

    The only solution to that is if Rondo makes them pay when they leave him open at the 3-point line.

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    I AGREE !!!

    RE: "The reason why Rondo was able to penetrate at will in the past was because of KG, Pierce, and Ray." 


    I am as anxious as any Celtic fan to see Rondo return to the same performance level he had prior to his injury but, alas, I don’t see our team improving a great deal. A Point Guard is like a Quarterback who directs the offense with assists instigating fast breaks and initiating sets. Also he creates scoring opportunities for himself from the outside and also attacks the basket. However, he is not a prolific scorer from the outside like Paul, West, Rose(when healthy) but can drive to the basket as well as any of them. But a couple of years ago he’d set up the 3 pt shooting Ray Allen & Paul Pierce and then PP last year. Also, he’d pass to Garnett anywhere 10-15 ft out and in the post.

    Ok, I like Sully but he’s not a Center. I like Humphries too and Oly is unproven so these 3 are his post targets.  Green & Bass ,Wallace too but I don’t like him, are his forwards and they are inconsistent and I don’t even think they'd be good 6th men on teams with more stars.

    Rondo would be more effective on another team with a good Center and above average Forwards but I’d still keep him & hope we can unload some of our trash & pick up 1-2 quality players keeping  A. Bradley, Sully, Hump and Oly to see if he develops as we did with Fav Melo who did not. Then all the other players would be ones from our draft picks & in 2-3 years we could contend. And college minded Stevens should work well with a bunch of young guys.

     
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    If they back off of Rondo, it make him a very good passer.



    Yeah, but there's a big difference when you're passing to KG, Pierce, and Ray compared to Sully, Green, and Bradley.

     
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    Right now every PG that defends Jordan Crawford or Bayless stay close to the 3-point line and challenge every 3-point shot that Bayless and Crawford take.

    With Rondo, those opposing PGs will stay closer to the FT line and roam.

    Rondo will always be open at that 3-point line.

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from Mployee8. Show Mployee8's posts

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    Rondo's career avg for the 3 is 24% and he did shoot it for 31% in 2008-09' ... his numbers are also better during playoffs where his career avg is 27.7% and his best season was 2009-10' when he stroked it at a 37.5% clip so it's not out of the question that he's capable of achieving 33% if expected to shoot it on a regular basis and preparing himself to do so. It's too early to presume anything based on historical data when his previous coach emphasized him getting easy looks for the vets. We need to see how/if he reinvents himself under the new coach and his style.

     
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    In response to Mployee8's comment:
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    Rondo's career avg for the 3 is 24% and he did shoot it for 31% in 2008-09' ... his numbers are also better during playoffs where his career avg is 27.7% and his best season was 2009-10' when he stroked it at a 37.5% clip so it's not out of the question that he's capable of achieving 33% if expected to shoot it on a regular basis and preparing himself to do so. It's too early to presume anything based on historical data when his previous coach emphasized him getting easy looks for the vets. We need to see how/if he reinvents himself under the new coach and his style.

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    true. just give rondo a chance. 

     
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    What is the purpose of this thread?  Rondo to Bass, Sullyand AB will be his bread and butter.  All the other players will benefit to RR being on floor for easier looks. 

     
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    In response to Mployee8's comment:

    Rondo's career avg for the 3 is 24% and he did shoot it for 31% in 2008-09' ... his numbers are also better during playoffs where his career avg is 27.7% and his best season was 2009-10' when he stroked it at a 37.5% clip so it's not out of the question that he's capable of achieving 33% if expected to shoot it on a regular basis and preparing himself to do so. It's too early to presume anything based on historical data when his previous coach emphasized him getting easy looks for the vets. We need to see how/if he reinvents himself under the new coach and his style.



    But you didn't include the stat that said Rondo only attempted 1 3-point shot per game in that 2009-10 playoffs.

     

    I'm going to give Rondo a chance to prove himself.

    What I disagree with is saying Rondo automatically makes the Celts a better team.

    Rondo still needs to adjust to Stevens' system.

    So all I'm saying is it's not automatic that once Rondo returns the Celts will automatically win more games.

     
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    In response to Mployee8's comment:

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    Rondo's career avg for the 3 is 24% and he did shoot it for 31% in 2008-09' ... his numbers are also better during playoffs where his career avg is 27.7% and his best season was 2009-10' when he stroked it at a 37.5% clip so it's not out of the question that he's capable of achieving 33% if expected to shoot it on a regular basis and preparing himself to do so. It's too early to presume anything based on historical data when his previous coach emphasized him getting easy looks for the vets. We need to see how/if he reinvents himself under the new coach and his style.

     



    But you didn't include the stat that said Rondo only attempted 1 3-point shot per game in that 2009-10 playoffs.

     

     

    I'm going to give Rondo a chance to prove himself.

    What I disagree with is saying Rondo automatically makes the Celts a better team.

    Rondo still needs to adjust to Stevens' system.

    So all I'm saying is it's not automatic that once Rondo returns the Celts will automatically win more games.

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    He attempted 24 threes in both 08-09' and 09-10' .... that was Doc's offense and he was just the facilitator to the Big Three those first 3-4 years of being the starting PG. He didn't really run the offense until after those years when he proved himself to Doc. So bringing it down to 1/gm in the playoffs is a poor argument on your part but an expected one anyway.

    Rondo needs to adjust to Stevens as does Bayless. You have already indicated Bayless was a downgrade to Lee based on what, subjective opinion? Early returns indicate you are wrong as the team is better with Bayless than w/o Lee. Even with a successful return by RR, the team will be much more cohesive with Bayless as the backup PG and Craw as a third option than depending on Craw/Pressey every night or until RR is on top of his game. Lee's minutes and scoring can be replaced but we had no bonafide PG so Bayless is an upgrade for the Celtics.

     
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    He attempted 24 threes in both 08-09' and 09-10' .... that was Doc's offense and he was just the facilitator to the Big Three those first 3-4 years of being the starting PG. He didn't really run the offense until after those years when he proved himself to Doc. So bringing it down to 1/gm in the playoffs is a poor argument on your part but an expected one anyway.

    Rondo needs to adjust to Stevens as does Bayless. You have already indicated Bayless was a downgrade to Lee based on what, subjective opinion? Early returns indicate you are wrong as the team is better with Bayless than w/o Lee. Even with a successful return by RR, the team will be much more cohesive with Bayless as the backup PG and Craw as a third option that depending on Craw/Pressey every night or until RR is on top of his game. Lee's minutes and scoring can be replaced but we had no bonafide PG so Bayless is an upgrade for the Celtics.



    What???

     

    With Bayless the Celts are 0-5.

    So the team is better?

     

    The Celts are giving up 111.0 points per game since Bayless arrived.

    You are crazy!

     
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    With the Celts, Bayless is just shooting 40.8% and 25% from the 3-point line.

    And Bayless is an upgrade from Lee's 49.2% and 44.2% 3-pt FG in 30 games?

    HAHAHA

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from Mployee8. Show Mployee8's posts

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    In response to Mployee8's comment:

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    He attempted 24 threes in both 08-09' and 09-10' .... that was Doc's offense and he was just the facilitator to the Big Three those first 3-4 years of being the starting PG. He didn't really run the offense until after those years when he proved himself to Doc. So bringing it down to 1/gm in the playoffs is a poor argument on your part but an expected one anyway.

    Rondo needs to adjust to Stevens as does Bayless. You have already indicated Bayless was a downgrade to Lee based on what, subjective opinion? Early returns indicate you are wrong as the team is better with Bayless than w/o Lee. Even with a successful return by RR, the team will be much more cohesive with Bayless as the backup PG and Craw as a third option that depending on Craw/Pressey every night or until RR is on top of his game. Lee's minutes and scoring can be replaced but we had no bonafide PG so Bayless is an upgrade for the Celtics.

     

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    What???

     

     

    With Bayless the Celts are 0-5.

    So the team is better?

     

    The Celts are giving up 111.0 points per game since Bayless arrived.

    You are crazy!

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    Last I checked we just came back from a round trip that included some of the best teams in the Western Conference. Those teams are much better than the opposition we've faced in our own conference. That's a pretty lame argument to justify Bayless being a downgrade from Lee. Not only did we play the best teams in the NBA on this trip but Bayless played w/o any time to practice with his new team or learn the playbook. And you know BB??? Please, you spew out so much crap w/o any backup it's ridiculous. I mean, how many times you gonna pound your chest about the lack of size in our frontcourt or that RR doesn't shoot the 3 pointer and Brad's system depends on that. RR hasn't played a game yet so stifle it until you have evidence of failure by RR. Same goes for Bayless ... talk to us in a few weeks when he's learned the offense and his teammates before passing judgement or making lame predictions with faulty/loose evidence/proof. TROLL!!!!

     
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    Last I checked we just came back from a round trip that included some of the best teams in the Western Conference. Those teams are much better than the opposition we've faced in our own conference. That's a pretty lame argument to justify Bayless being a downgrade from Lee. Not only did we play the best teams in the NBA on this trip but Bayless played w/o any time to practice with his new team or learn the playbook. And you know BB??? Please, you spew out so much crap w/o any backup it's ridiculous. I mean, how many times you gonna pound your chest about the lack of size in our frontcourt or that RR doesn't shoot the 3 pointer and Brad's system depends on that. RR hasn't played a game yet so stifle it until you have evidence of failure by RR. Same goes for Bayless ... talk to us in a few weeks when he's learned the offense and his teammates before passing judgement or making lame predictions with faulty/loose evidence/proof. TROLL!!!!



    That's the problem with you and Eldunko, every time you guys are proven wrong, you immediately throw out the troll card.

     

     

    "Early returns indicate you are wrong as the team is better with Bayless than w/o Lee."

     

    It's not my fault that you can't back up your argument with actual facts.

    Early returns?

    What early returns?

     

    Courtney Lee is a very good defensive player.

    Bayless is not known as a defensive player.

     

    Celts giving up 111.0 points per game since Bayless became a Celtic.

     

    So instead of accusing me of being a troll, show proof what aspect of the game the Celts improved since acquiring Bayless.

    Do you have proof?

     
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    Mployee.... do the board a favor and please stop feeding the trolls.

    Pud

     

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