Salary Cap Situation for 2013-14

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    11 million would get you a nice Sign and Trade.

     

     

    KG has a no trade clause.

     



    You think if he retires he would stop his contract from going somewhere?

     

     
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    http://www.celticslife.com/2013/05/breaking-down-celtics-salary-cap.html

    Also, if the Celts waive Pierce, the Celts can't re-sign him to a lesser deal because the Celts will lose his Bird rights.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/4/4299832/paul-pierce-celtics-contract-kevin-garnett

    Update, May 5: Pierce does not have a player option as reported above. We regret the error. If the Celtics waive Pierce, NBA rules appear to prevent him from being re-signed for one year.

     



    No one cares. People realize waiving Pierce who mean rebuilding. 

     

     



    Not necessarily. The Celts can waive Pierce then re-sign him if KG retires.

     

    Removing Pierce's 15.3m and KG's 12.4m will result in the Celts being under the salary cap. So even if the Celts don't have Pierce's Bird rights anymore, the Celts can sign Pierce because Pierce became an UFA and the Celts are under the cap.



    The to get under the cap in the method you suggest is very tough to do, and foolish just to sign Pierce again. They still have to pay him 5 million.

     
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    11 million would get you a nice Sign and Trade.

     

     

    KG has a no trade clause.

     



    You think if he retires he would stop his contract from going somewhere?

     

     



    Yes.

     

    Clearly you don't know how the salary cap rules work.

    If KG officially retires then he's not allowed to play in the NBA for at least 1 year and his contract is voided.

    Again, KG officially retires means KG's contract disappears.



    OMG your dense. KG doesn't have to officially retire to retire. Look at the Gary Payton trade. Why was Rick Fox included? Do you really think he would hold up the C's just to prove some 13 year old on the BDC forums right. Watch out you are heading down the path that gets you in trouble all time.

     
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    thanks for the link!!

     

    very helpful in understanding the NBA's cap rules as they pertain to the off-season.

     

    IF KG retires and Pierce is amnestied...the Celtics will have about $13Million in cap space AND a mid-level exception at about $5M the first year....I believe.

     

    if I understand that all correctly then if I were Ainge I would:

    1) go after N. Pekovic-Minn with the cap space. I think he is a RFA however, so Minn may match the deal. But I personally like him as a better option than A. Jefferson (second choice) with the cap space.

     

    2) Use the MLE to sign either JJ Hickson (Port) or T. Splitter (SA).

     

    3) trade either J. Terry or C. Lee to Phoenix for J. Dudley-SF or to Mil for L. Mbah a Moute-SF.

     

    4) draft L. Brown (NC St) or S. Larkin (Mia)- both PG's.

     

    My re-buit roster under the Luxury tax for next year and followung the cap rules in the article;

     

    C- N. Pekovic

    C/PF- JJ Hickson

    C- F. Melo

    PF- B. Bass

    PF- J. Sullinger

    PF- S. Randolph or White

    SF- J. Green

    SF- J. Dudley

    F/G- T. Williams

    SG- C. Lee or J. Terry

    SG- J. Crawford

    SG/PG- A. Bradley

    PG- R. Rondo

    PG- Rookie

     

     

     
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    PP avgd 18/5/6. Fans treating him like hes done. WOW. Hes still killing it. 4th highest scoring avg amongst sf's. He still a good starter, and same thing with kg givin us 15/8  with still very good defense and priceless leadership.

    They can each give u 25 very good minutes a game. With a full squad,we could still be a tough out in next years playoffs. While also grooming the youngsters for another year.

    And if  things dont workout, you can explore a trade at the deadline.

     
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    OMG your dense. KG doesn't have to officially retire to retire. Look at the Gary Payton trade. Why was Rick Fox included? Do you really think he would hold up the C's just to prove some 13 year old on the BDC forums right. Watch out you are heading down the path that gets you in trouble all time.

     

     



    If KG doesn't officially retire then there's no point in retiring because if the Celts trade KG, the Celts will have to take back contracts worth 12.4m also.

     

    The purpose of a KG retirement is for the Celtics to go under the salary cap. Swapping KG for other contracts still puts the Celts at risk of paying repeater tax in 2014-15.

    This is not about me being right, this is about you being totally clueless when it comes to salary cap rules.

     



    First of all, the repeater tax for the Celtics would be minimal and not something that would prevent them from making a deal that makes them a contender.

     

    Secondly, there are a number of options to eliminating KG's salary as well as Pierce from the cap hold other than retirement;

    1) Renouncement - Give up Bird Rts on a player and his cap hold is eliminated. He can be resigned only if A) under the cap or B) with an exception (the mini-MLE or MLE whichever applies or the Vet Minimum). He can however be used in a S&T after being renounced provided, in KG's case, that he approves of the deal.

    2) Contract Buyout - Agree to an amount to be paid to the player for each of the remaining guaranteed contract years. The buyout can then be spread out or "stretched" over twice the contract length plus one additional year. So if KG has 2 yrs remaining, his guaranteed buyout $ can be spread out over 5 yrs. For example: If Pierce's contract is bought out for $5MM by 7/1/2013 then it can be spread out over 3 yrs, thereby only being included in the cap hold for $1.67MM per year for each of the next 3 years. After the buyout the player would be a free agent.

    3) Waiver - The team places a player on waivers and A) he may be picked up by another team. The new team would be responsible for the remainder of the contract. Or B) the player clears waivers and his contract is terminated and he becomes a free agent ... the team is on the hook for any guaranteed salary but again can elect to use the "stretch provision" to provide as much cap space as possible.

    4) Amnesty - KG's contract isn't eligible since it was new after the new CBA went into effect in 2011.

    Finally, a trade to a Non-Taxpaying team could shave millions off the cap ... A team under the cap can send an $8MM player/s in exchange for one on a Tax-paying team up to $12.1MM. If KG agreed to the trade, the C's could get a decent player/players and still cut $4MM off their cap.

     
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    "First of all, the repeater tax for the Celtics would be minimal and not something that would prevent them from making a deal that makes them a contender."

     

    Minimal?

    The Celts refused to give TA an extra 1 year for 3m. That's how frugal the Celtic owners are.

     


    You are right.   Also not resigning Tony Allen was a big mistake.  

     
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    "Secondly, there are a number of options to eliminating KG's salary as well as Pierce from the cap hold other than retirement;"

     

    How many teams out there would want a 37-year old KG and pay him 12.4m next season?

    All your possibilities have one thing in common, that KG will not be playing for the Celtics next season. That's something some here are refusing to believe.

     



    Fierce, what about my proposal? A back-room deal where Paul is bought out and signs with the Clippers on a friendly 1 year deal (4M) and then KG is traded for DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe. This way the Clippers get KG and PP for like 16M total. Celtics get two valued pieces that can be traded for the right piece. It a win for the LAC, for BOS and for PP & KG!

     
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    "First of all, the repeater tax for the Celtics would be minimal and not something that would prevent them from making a deal that makes them a contender."

     

    Minimal?

    The Celts refused to give TA an extra 1 year for 3m. That's how frugal the Celtic owners are.

     




    So how do you explain them giving KG $12MM ?????

     
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    "Secondly, there are a number of options to eliminating KG's salary as well as Pierce from the cap hold other than retirement;"

     

    How many teams out there would want a 37-year old KG and pay him 12.4m next season?

    All your possibilities have one thing in common, that KG will not be playing for the Celtics next season. That's something some here are refusing to believe.

     




    I only proposed one option that suggested trading KG!  And if a young team like the Clippers or Golden State needs a Vet Leader to get them a Championship how do you know that they wouldn't swap $8MM in salary/players for KG's $12MM salary to get over the top? KG could waive his no-trade contract if he thinks he can win another championship or if Pierce is gone.

     
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    It doesn't get any easier for Danny ...

     

    http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/celtics_insider/2013/05/suns_make_celts_exec_ryan_mcdonough_their_new_gm

     
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    If the Celts don't have KG and Pierce for next season, that means the Celts are a team under the salary cap. Teams under the salary cap don't have the MLE.




    so signing Pekovic or Jefferson couldn't put us over the cap and then we'd get the MLE?

     

     
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    If the Celts don't have KG and Pierce for next season, that means the Celts are a team under the salary cap. Teams under the salary cap don't have the MLE.

     




    so signing Pekovic or Jefferson couldn't put us over the cap and then we'd get the MLE?

     

     

     

     



    Once you're a team under the cap, you can't go over it.

     

     

    If you're a team over the cap then you can't sign another player from another team unless it's for the MLE.

    It's either the Celts stay over the cap, like what they did this season, or go under. And the only way the Celts are going to go under the cap is if KG retires.

    KG not retiring means the Celts will be a team over the cap.

    Even if the Celts trade KG, the Celts would still take back contracts in return. So trading KG doesn't mean the Celts will be getting rid of 12.4m.

     




    They could dump $4MM with a KG trade and another $10MM by exercising their ETO on Pierce. Thats $14MM that surely gets them under the cap.

     

     
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    They could dump $4MM with a KG trade and another $10MM by exercising their ETO on Pierce. Thats $14MM that surely gets them under the cap.

     

     

     

     

    What's wrong with you?

    Pierce doesn't have an ETO, Pierce has a non-guaranteed contract for next season. If the Celts waive Pierce, 5m will count against the cap.

     

    >> What's wrong with you? I said they (Celtics) can excercise their early termination option for $5MM!

    >> Wrong ... The C's can use the stretch provision to allocate that $5MM over three years.

     

    And KG has a no trade clause. Would KG really want to go to a team like the Kings or the Cavs?

     

    >> You really are a liar. Where did I say the Kings or Cavs. I mentioned Golden State and the Clips!!!

     

    Teams under cap are lottery teams. They would not do what you're asking them to do.


    > > Right ... and Minny will never trade KG to the Celts for an expiring contract!

     

    Right now the Celts have a 71.568m payroll.

    By waiving Pierce that total would go down to 62.6m, according to hoopsworld.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/boston-celtics-team-salary

    Even if the Celts trade KG's 12m for 8m, that would just put the Celts at 58.6m. And since the projected salary cap for next season is just 60m, the Celts would just be 2m under the cap! 

    What will you do with 2m?



    >>  Bet they didn't allocate the $5MM buy out over three years using the stretch provision for guaranteed salary, huh? That brings in down to $60MM and another $4MM for KG brings it down to $56MM.

     

    So with that done, what have we really gotten other than your prediction of $2MM?  Well, for starters we have an $8MM player/s we just picked up for KG and maybe a draft pick as well or a Traded Player Exception to be used for another player. We also are $4-5MM under the cap and have the Mini-MLE ($3MM) at our disposal as well. So assuming we got a big for the $8MM trade off for KG, we have $4-5MM left under the cap for a bonafide 3-pt shooter and the MMLE for a backup PG. That fills a few holes and provides a good transition to 2014. Or they could just take back a PTE and use that with one or a combination of Lee, Melo, Bass, etal for Big Al ... All sorts of options depending upon what Danny can do. He now has an old allie in Phoenix not unlike his McHale connection which could prove to be beneficial as well.  

     

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