Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

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    I don't want to diminish what Perk did for us over 3 years. Clearly Shaq is the best available option and will be a big help. But you'd rather have a healthy Perk over Shaq. Too bad he won't be back to full health till the '11-'12 season.

    Perk was having a very good season before injuries wore him down strating way back in February. This was also for long stretches w/o KG to dispel that myth.

    In his 1st 45 games last year Perk had:

    29 games scoring in double figures. He had 20 games of 13+ points, 7 games of 16+ and TWO 20 point games

    27 games of 8+ rebounds, 17 games of 10+ boards, 11 at 12+ and 5 at 14+

    26 games he blocked 2 or more shots, 17 games 3+, 7 4+ games and 2 games with 5 blocks

    Perk was no slouch, in that role he was VERY good, it stinks that he got hurt
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago. : Jermaine O'Neal: age - 32  mins - 28.4  pts - 13.6  rebs - 7.0  FG% - 53%  FT% - 72% Shaquille O'Neal: age - 38  mins - 23.4  pts - 12.0  rebs - 6.7  FG% - 56.6%  FT% - 49.6% To me they were both equally productive. JON is younger and dealt with a hyperextended knee and high ankle sprain last year after basically being a double-double for the first few months of the year. The main point to remember is that both guys were their teams 3rd scoring option. Basically they needed to be 30 min guys getting their teams 16-17pts and 9-10 rbs for their club's to have success. This year? Shaq will (hopefully) get all his limited mins with the starters. He really needs to play alongside KG. There he will be the 4th or 5th option on offense. Jermaine will get half his mins with the starters and the other half against reserves. He will either be 4th/5th option, or the 1st or 2nd option playing against inferior talent. This bodes well for the C's
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

                 You're living in a dream world. You act as though basketball and athletics are a cookie cutter situation where player A is going to give you A,B, and C every night and player B is going to give you D, E, and F every night. Shaq is a year older. Jermaine is a year older. Garnett is a year older. Pierce is a year older. Ray Allen. None of these players is in his prime anymore. None of them......not even Pierce. You have no idea what you're gonna get. They are also much more prone to injury. You act as though you can simply say "this guy is going to do this" and "that guy is going to do that" when you don't know what they are going to do.
     
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    [QUOTE]            Proof? It is about the team winning and Phoenix was a much better team after he left. Cleveland was a much better team when he was either hurt or on the pine. Rebound? He can't rebound. He can't move laterally to the ball well enough to get meaningful rebounds. Not only is he one of the worst pick and roll defenders in the history of modern basketball but he doesn't "clog the lane" because he's so slow guys can just go around him. Offensively, he's awful. It takes him a week to get his shot and unless it is a dunk or a scoop half the time he doesn't even get rim. Done is done. He's pitiful now. You're kidding yourselves.
    Posted by walton[/QUOTE]WHy do idiots like you post? Both Phoenix and Cleveland were teams based around and better in the FAST BREAK. Boston is more of a half court set team.

      SHaq is only going to need to give 6 fouls, and 15-20 minutes per game. He will be a good rebounder and by his presence alone will take a huge burden off the PF position(read KG's,BBD job and eventually JO's as well becoming EASIER). 

      He weakness in lateral movement(Read P&R defense), FT shooting etc. will not be a hindrance on this team for the limited minutes he needs to give.

       THe truth is, that even though he is not his former self, he is still a top 5 center in this league, and having that come off your bench is a good thing.
     
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    [QUOTE]          This is my honest opinion.........Shaq stinks now. He's no good anymore. He can't play anymore. PERIOD. Context? There is no context. He stinks. If his name weren't Shaq no one would even have given him the time of day. He'll be a distraction also, because you gotta play him. I'm not saying you have to play him 25 minites a game but if he doesn't play in certain situations there will be the constant questions about "why didn't he play" blah, blah, blah. It won't be like some other bench guy where if he plays he plays and if he doesn't he doesn't. There will constantly be a focus on Shaq, Shaq............because he is Shaq. Believe me also, if Shaq isn't happy with his minites or how he's being used he'll "get it out there" that he's not happy. It might be subtle but Shaquille is very good at "getting things out there." Interesting move by Ainge.
    Posted by walton[/QUOTE]

    Which shows that you know nothing about Hoops....Shaq has signed with Boston to be a 3rd string Center.....that is his agreement....both he and Jermain have stated that Perk is the starter when he gats back.

    Also, I am not sure if you are aware of this, but Shaq has a big body....he can still do all the little things and be a force up close.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago. :              You're living in a dream world. You act as though basketball and athletics are a cookie cutter situation where player A is going to give you A,B, and C every night and player B is going to give you D, E, and F every night. Shaq is a year older. Jermaine is a year older. Garnett is a year older. Pierce is a year older. Ray Allen. None of these players is in his prime anymore. None of them......not even Pierce. You have no idea what you're gonna get. They are also much more prone to injury. You act as though you can simply say "this guy is going to do this" and "that guy is going to do that" when you don't know what they are going to do.
    Posted by walton[/QUOTE]

    The dream world is yours

    Shaq is currently only 2 months removed from dropping 21 on us and being one of the few Cabs putting forth the effort last year

    He was not injured, played 24 mins and gave a 12/7 last year on a team that was not as well rounded, deep in talent and coached as well

    Barring injury, why on earth is he not to be expected to come here, be highly motivated to beat Miami and LA, and give us 16-18 quality minutes, maybe 9 points, 5 boards and a block a night, and be well rested for a few turn back the clock (to 06, not 02) playoff games???

    got a better option for 1.4 million when your starting center in injured for 2/3 of the season???

    Give me a break.. I am not dreaming, but you are hating amd spouting ignorance in the same breathe
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago. :              You're living in a dream world. You act as though basketball and athletics are a cookie cutter situation where player A is going to give you A,B, and C every night and player B is going to give you D, E, and F every night. Shaq is a year older. Jermaine is a year older. Garnett is a year older. Pierce is a year older. Ray Allen. None of these players is in his prime anymore. None of them......not even Pierce. You have no idea what you're gonna get. They are also much more prone to injury. You act as though you can simply say "this guy is going to do this" and "that guy is going to do that" when you don't know what they are going to do.
    Posted by walton[/QUOTE]


    LOL!  I am getting sick of your tired act.....all your posts recently is complaining about our 3rd string Center....Name another team that has a 3rd string Center better than Shaq.....please do.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago. : WHy do idiots like you post? Both Phoenix and Cleveland were teams based around and better in the FAST BREAK. Boston is more of a half court set team.   SHaq is only going to need to give 6 fouls, and 15-20 minutes per game. He will be a good rebounder and by his presence alone will take a huge burden off the PF position(read KG's,BBD job and eventually JO's as well becoming EASIER).    He weakness in lateral movement(Read P&R defense), FT shooting etc. will not be a hindrance on this team for the limited minutes he needs to give.    THe truth is, that even though he is not his former self, he is still a top 5 center in this league, and having that come off your bench is a good thing.
    Posted by SuperNtrain[/QUOTE]


    Walton is clearly a fool, trying to lecture superior bball minds about the game and coming up far short.

    PHX and Cleve paid Shaq 20+ million to be the 3rd scoring option and play 30 and 24 mins in offenses that did not fit with his skills.

    we are paying him 1.4 million to be the 5th scoring option and play 16-20 mins in an offense that fits well with his skills.
     
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    Pierce, Jermaine and KG all went through injuries the past few seasons... you'd have to hope that over the next two years, when they are not asked to play huge regular season minutes, that the injury bug will not hit them as hard. They will not be 06 JON or 08 PP/KG... but all 3 can be as good as they have been in awhile.

    I am not going to declare boston a championship favorite until we land a very good defensive SF.

    However, anyone who thinks there was a better option to Shaq and questions why we made the move, is a fool and not a fan of this team

    Walton is a ranting hater with a small bball mind, why he has dug in his heels to demean shaq and the posters on this site is beyongdme. A sad, sad man.
     
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    Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago. :              You're living in a dream world. You act as though basketball and athletics are a cookie cutter situation where player A is going to give you A,B, and C every night and player B is going to give you D, E, and F every night. Shaq is a year older. Jermaine is a year older. Garnett is a year older. Pierce is a year older. Ray Allen. None of these players is in his prime anymore. None of them......not even Pierce. You have no idea what you're gonna get. They are also much more prone to injury. You act as though you can simply say "this guy is going to do this" and "that guy is going to do that" when you don't know what they are going to do.
    Posted by walton[/QUOTE]
    If Shaq comes in shape and ready to play he can contribute in a way few can. He will be limited to very few minutes and any nagging injuries will of course hurt his effectiveness. He fills the role of trying to win now with the best available players leaving the roster in the near future ripe for starting over.
     
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    [QUOTE]            Proof? It is about the team winning and Phoenix was a much better team after he left. Cleveland was a much better team when he was either hurt or on the pine. Rebound? He can't rebound. He can't move laterally to the ball well enough to get meaningful rebounds. Not only is he one of the worst pick and roll defenders in the history of modern basketball but he doesn't "clog the lane" because he's so slow guys can just go around him. Offensively, he's awful. It takes him a week to get his shot and unless it is a dunk or a scoop half the time he doesn't even get rim. Done is done. He's pitiful now. You're kidding yourselves.
    Posted by walton[/QUOTE]

    Proof that Walton is a hypocrite and fool?

    He names himself after Bill Walton, a washed up Center who was brought in to play 16-18 mins a game in '86, and cost Max in a TRADE

    In the two seasons before coming to Boston he managed to play in 122 of a possible 164 games and averaged 26 mins per 11 points, 9 rebounds 1.7 blocks and shot 54% from the floor

    In the two seasons before we signed Shaq for the MINIMUM he managed to play in in 128 of a possible 164 games and averaged 26 mins per 15 points, 7.5 rebounds, 1.3 blocks and shot 59% from the floor

    Ummm... could these guys be any closer to the same type of move?
     
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    Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

    How many Actual centers outscored Shaq and how many played for the vet min?

    PA
     
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    rameakap, very good post.  Those numbers look very similar and I bet that we can get excellent results from Shaq.  We got this guy for $1.4 million.

    walton has lost his mind.  He says Cleveland was much better when Shaq was not playing.  They won 61 games last season.  How irrelevant a statement is that to describe the Cavs "when Shaq was not on the floor"?  So is that to suggest had they not had Shaq, they would have won 70 games?  So Shaq played and they won 61 games.  I WILL TAKE THAT ANY DAY!

    I'd go so far to suggest they started falling apart with the signing of Antwan Jamison which kept J.J. Hickson on the bench.

    Shaq has enough in the tank to give the Celtics what we need from him.  Shaq playing fewer minutes and being relied on less than usual will make him that much more effective.
     
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    [QUOTE]How many Actual centers outscored Shaq and how many played for the vet min? PA
    Posted by PACelt[/QUOTE]

    People don't realize vet minimum still millions....you probably gonna work until you die and still not smelling million.

    The question is not how many player outscored him or his paycheck but how he will be able to synch to the Celtics system. Through out his life playing basketball, he was a dominant player. Most of the team strategy and play are patterned to his games.
    Will he adjust? Will his demeanor get along? Will he takes a backseat? Will he
    pick a towel and does ML Carr for the Celtics?

    Ask the bum Sheed, ask him what he did in the Celtics...he took the money and run. Hopefuly Shaq will not take the" min vet" and run.

     
     
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    [QUOTE]With the Celtics he will only play a supporting role. If Shaq had to start and be the 1st or 2nd option on offense then the Celtics are going to end up like Phoenix and Cleveland. With the Celtics Shaq will only be a role player. 
    Posted by Fierce34[/QUOTE]
    Shaq a role player? LOL. That'll last about a week before he starts b*tching for the ball.The man has too big an ego and too big a behind to be of any good other than to bottom dwellers.
     
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    Shaq is not the Shaq of the LA Lakers, but in general, He should help on defense against the Lakers, the Magic and the Heat. Bynum and Gasol were afraid of him in games last year. He does a fair job on Howard, and Z is even slower that Shaq.

    For quicker centers, KG, and or the other Oneal can do a fair job against almost everyone else.

    KG should help Shaq on pick an role defense.

    On offense, he still creates double teams, a great thing when the Celtics have an all star starting five.

    The defense will not be the same as last year against most teams, however, as always, the Celtics are built for the play-offs.


    As far as Cleveland is concerned, since Lebron was the centerpiece of their offense, and driving to the basket was a main staple, He would clog the lane and allow defenses to pack the paint. With Phoenix, a fast break team, it was also a bad fit.

    In Boston, Rondo is our one man fast break and other more agile players will run with him. In half court sets, Shaq fits in much better with the Celtics than the previous two teams because of the pick your poison half court team oriented offense. 

    In general I like the addition. I just hope the chemistry is still there.
     
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    [QUOTE]rameakap, very good post.  Those numbers look very similar and I bet that we can get excellent results from Shaq.  We got this guy for $1.4 million. walton has lost his mind.  He says Cleveland was much better when Shaq was not playing.  They won 61 games last season.  How irrelevant a statement is that to describe the Cavs "when Shaq was not on the floor"?  So is that to suggest had they not had Shaq, they would have won 70 games?  So Shaq played and they won 61 games.  I WILL TAKE THAT ANY DAY! I'd go so far to suggest they started falling apart with the signing of Antwan Jamison which kept J.J. Hickson on the bench. Shaq has enough in the tank to give the Celtics what we need from him.  Shaq playing fewer minutes and being relied on less than usual will make him that much more effective.
    Posted by Petey62[/QUOTE]

    Exactly

    cleveland cost themselves a title by not pushing harder for Amare, including hickson in the deal, and ending up with Jamison, it was he who ruined the season

    Cleveland also should have traded for Shaq at the deadline the previous season and would prob have beaten Orlando and faced LA in the '09 finals, but they didn't want to ruin the 'chemistry' of a team rolling thru the REGULAR season
     
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    OK Che and everyone else.  Who's better?  Who could we have gotten that would be better?

    You all avoid the question.  Criticize all you want, but answer the question.

    For the vet min, who would you put on the floor instead of Shaq???

    PA
     
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    Walton who posted this reminds me of one of those constant complainers who have nothing to offer to a conversation than their own stupidity and to shoot down others ideas.  Everyone has one of those people who they work with.
     
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    [QUOTE]OK Che and everyone else.  Who's better?  Who could we have gotten that would be better? You all avoid the question.  Criticize all you want, but answer the question. For the vet min, who would you put on the floor instead of Shaq??? PA
    Posted by PACelt[/QUOTE]

    I'm not criticizing the Shaq signing but questioning how this guy will fair to the team.
    You have to look for some flaws: as I said, most of the teams he played for adjusted the play for him. Ask yourself, will we maintain our system and let him adjust to us?
    Adjust to us means everything!!
    Not only the role we ask him to execute but also his demeanor. I can see no problem on the other Oneal but this Oneal played an alpha man through out his career. Try to change it overnight and you have problem.

    Now, if his motivation is to pissed the big brat three (Kobe-Wade_Lebron),
      then I might go along if he contribute all the way to 82 games.
    None of these bum Sheed act.

    ......and I don't want to hear, he only got vet minimum---that's bvllzhyte.
     
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    Che,  you need to be a little more optimistic.  Pessimists look for flaws, while optimists look for positives.  If you are so pessimistic, then the Celtics won't go anywhere regardless who we get.
     
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    In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.:You can say that about every team or player, correct?  So what makes this signing different?

    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago. :              You're living in a dream world. You act as though basketball and athletics are a cookie cutter situation where player A is going to give you A,B, and C every night and player B is going to give you D, E, and F every night. Shaq is a year older. Jermaine is a year older. Garnett is a year older. Pierce is a year older. Ray Allen. None of these players is in his prime anymore. None of them......not even Pierce. You have no idea what you're gonna get. They are also much more prone to injury. You act as though you can simply say "this guy is going to do this" and "that guy is going to do that" when you don't know what they are going to do.
    Posted by walton[/QUOTE]
     
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    Whats done is done.  Why try to analyze moves and how you think they will pan out, just let it play out.  The season is a ways away.    I would agree with you more if you spent more time crying about why Marquis Daniels was resigned for basically the same amount as a future hall of famer in Shaq yet did absolutely nothing for us and even got a bizarre concussion in the playoffs?

     
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    Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

    Walton got OWNED in this thread
     
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    In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.:
    [QUOTE]Walton got OWNED in this thread
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]


    I'm sure you think the same way when we were playing the Cavs last year huh?

    ....added to that, do you think Kobe, Lebron & Wade think the same way as Walton?
    I think so. Shaq passed and the 3 brats will not respect his presence in the Celtics.

    In my opinion? he still has some gas left but not much....I will go along with the 3 brats.
     
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    I thought Shaq was a bad fit for Cleveland last year because driving to the basket was a very big part of Lebron's game. Shaq would allow defenses to clog the paint against Lebron.  With Perk on the floor, the paint also got clogged because no one respects his jump shot. The difference is that Shaq is much more effective on offense near the basket than Perk. So now, when KG gets double teamed near the paint, and a second big comes to defend, Shaq will get more dunks. The reverse may also be true if Shaq gets stopped. The Cs usually drive to the hoop on fast breaks by Rondo, and sometimes in the half court. The Cs are not as dependent on basket drives as the Cavs were last year. Instead the have a pick your poison team oriented passing offense. If there still is a perfect fit for Shaq in the NBA today it could be the Celtics. On defense, Shaq will need help against the pick and roll and he probably won't play much against quicker smaller centers. However, since we will not run into such players deep in the play-offs, Shaq's limitations will be minimized.

    A player's context in regard to team style, focus, and the complimentary abilities of other players have as much to do with a player's success as individual ability.
    Basketball is still a team sport, no matter what the sports writers say to sell stories. The goal is to win, not set scoring titles, or some other individual goal.
    I think Shaq will help the Celtics win.
     

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