Re: Slippery Sam's Forum
posted at 7/27/2011 5:03 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Slippery Sam's Forum
[QUOTE]Red16-Russ11 For a while, I felt strange about Russ getting a statue. Not that I think he doesn't deserve one; of course it's warranted. It's just that Russ has always given so much credit to his teammates that I almost had the feeling he'd be uncomfortable unless the statue included some of them. But then I reminded myself that the statue isn't mainly for winning. A major part of it involves what he stood for as a man who withstood a huge amount of injustice with amazing dignity. And a lot of that involved Russ and Russ alone. To answer your question, I hope to be there—schedule permitting. I wish you could make it, and I hope you get to see it some day soon. To those who remind us that there are two side to the so-called "troll" story, it's true that antagonism on either "side" just invites more antagonism. I've had long private discussions with Lakers fans who are on our board, and they deserve tremendous credit for being willing to take on more than half of the work burden in order to be viewed as responsible, sincere visitors to another team's board. I don't at all mean they had to compromise their opinions. • But they did have to question their real motives for being on a Celtics board; and, if those motives were to rattle the chains of Celtics fans, they had to realize they had two choices: change or leave. • They had to be more careful in how they worded things so they wouldn't appear to be creating or fanning flames. • They had to recognize that it wasn't a level playing field; comments might sometimes sound different coming from them than coming from Celtics fans. • They had to be particularly sensitive to how their words sounded to Celtics fans on a Celtics board. • Maybe they had to spend a little extra time explaining their motives in making a particular comment to make certain their motives would not be misconstrued. On their part, Celtics fans also had to make some concessions. • They had to reject the temptation to assume that everything written by a Lakers fan on a Celtics board is automatically an anti-Celtics slur. • They had to accept the fact that Lakers fans can be very knowledgeable and can sincerely disagree with Celtics fans without deliberately trying to be antagonistic. • Sometimes they had to give a Lakers fan the benefit of the doubt unless the Lakers fan proved to be unworthy of that trust. • When a Lakers fan did appear to be trying hard to be a constructive member of the Forum, it was important to reinforce that person's efforts through return posts. It did take a while, and a number of "false starts," but there now exists enough mutual trust so that sometimes one Lakers fan will admonish another Lakers fan or a Celtics fan will admonish another Celtics fan before things get out of hand. That's a big help to moderators if it's done in ways that don't embarrass anyone. In other words, use the private message feature to criticize rather than going public, which only heightens embarrassment and invites a nasty backlash. Lakersavenger says to me, "I don't recollect ever reading anything from you trying to pipe down the instigators of those trolls." Well, in the first place, Lakersavenger, you never saw nearly all of what I wrote on this forum. Much of it was private, for reasons expressed above. Second, I was not a moderator on this forum and didn't feel it was up to me to give out wholesale advice on how to act. Speaking of moderating, the role of the moderating is another important factor in successfully integrating Lakers fans into a forum like this. We believe in proactive moderating that doesn't simply whack people when they're already serious offenders. When a moderator sees a potential problem looming, we feel it's important to nip it in the bud. Usually a fairly low key warning, such as, "Just a little warning about not calling names" will do the job—preferably privately, but publicly if it's the only option, in light of how fast the problem is escalating. Generally, if people know their actions are borderline and are being watched closely, they'll back off. If they don't, we'll sometimes delete the offensive language and replace it with something that contains the same meaning but is less offensive; and we'll send a private message telling the culprit that we've done it and why. Sterner measures, such as deleting an entire message or even threatening a ban, may follow, but fortunately they're not usually necessary. One of the things that means a lot to members of our board is credibility. They know that, if they act like doofusses, their credibility will plummet. And, on a board that's very concerned with quality of content, credibility is important. I don't want to appear to be preaching, but I like a lot of apparently frustrated people on this board, and I hope that sharing some ideas (with no ulterior motives) might be of help. If not, at least I gave it a shot. Take care, SlipperySam
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don't post here much anymore, just read this as well as your site. I think it would be nice for your to post Greenkillers remarks that he put on your site. I thought it was really good. Keep up the good site you have going. Good reading. Hopefully one day I will start posting there.