Re: Sportsnation's top PG's
posted at 7/30/2010 6:37 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Sportsnation's top PG's
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Sportsnation's top PG's :
For God sake, J/C. Give your tortured numbers/facts/stats a rest. Pud
Posted by puddinpuddin[/QUOTE]
"Tortured" (from the dictionary according to Pud): factual information which demonstrates the falsity of Pud's impressions
Some famous person once said "Facts are inconvenient things". Truer words were never spoken, especially about the workings of Pud's mind.
Pud would have you believe that the facts
I present are less to be trusted than the impressions
he gets from "actually watching games", which impressions are the sole source of what he believes. He believes that the impressions he gets are somehow more valid than those that anyone else gets from "actually watching games" - in fact, he believes that if somehow someone else has different beliefs than they must not have "actually watched games". The breathtaking arrogance of that point of view apparently bypasses him completely.
The facts about where Rondo should be ranked among PGs are very simple. They are the compilation of all the data from all the games. They are not subject to the distortions that the human brain regularly creates from its attempts to deal with a greater mass of information than it can process.
Here, again, are the facts. Last season, in the games Chris Paul played before he was injured, he had greater production per game - by far - than any other PG in the NBA. If his injury does not significantly impair his abilities in the coming season, he is clearly the best PG in the NBA.
Tightly bunched in production behind CPaul are Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo and Deron Williams. With Nash leading the other two by two points of production per game. Rondo and Williams are TIED in production. (This fact completely flummoxes those who believe that DWill is "handsdown" better than Rondo, but it is, despite that, a fact.)
Nash is a much worse defender than any of the top PGs in the league. This is a fact that can be verified by looking at a compilation of the defensive measures of production or by simply "watching the games". It's not a big secret, and no impartial observer denies it. Since defense is half of the game of basketball, despite all of the attention given to offensive, especially scoring, Nash's defensive deficiencies, in conjunction with his small lead in production
, clearly place him below Rondo and DWill in the rankings.
[Two notes: 1) hypothetically it is possible for a PG to be so productive as to more than offset significantly inferior defensive performance. Since Nash is only slightly more productive than Rondo and DWill, that is not the case in this instance. 2) On a per game basis, Nash statistically benefits from his team's high pace - and Rajon's production is adversely affected by his team's low pace. This distortion can be removed by looking at "per possession" data, but that data is hard to find, is rarely comprehensive, and takes a lot of work to compile from per game data.]
Given that DWill's and Rondo's total production is the same, the tiebreaker is defense, which for individual player comparisons is difficult to quantify. So, in this case, it is perfectly reasonable to look at the rankings provided by the most knowledgable professionals - NBA head coaches. There, the difference between these two players is quite large. One of them was voted one of the top two defensive guards (not just PGs) in the NBA, along with Kobe Bryant. The other didn't receive enough votes to make it onto even the THIRD defensive team.
Pretty simple, right? DWill is NOT superior to Rondo in overall production. One might assume that he is, because he scores more and has more assists. But when ALL of the quantified aspects of the game are included, the players are TIED, which means that Rondo's superiority in the less glamorous aspects of the game (rebounds, shots missed, turnovers, and steals) offsets DWill's lead in points and assists. So defense is the difference, and there the NBA coaches are pretty definitive as to which player is superior.
"Tortured"? No. Simple? Yes.