Re: Stern passing the torch to Griffin?
posted at 1/24/2011 5:20 PM EST
In Response to Re: Stern passing the torch to Griffin?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stern passing the torch to Griffin? : [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stern passing the torch to Griffin? : How do Rose, Westbrook, Paul, Williams, Wall, and a whole bunch of others who do not play with 4 hall of famers score a lot more points and AVERAGE about 10 assists but not pass the ball? Why is that guys who can actualy shoot only have a few fewer assists per game - Raymond Felton lots more points just a few fewer assists and no hall of famers on the team...... things that make you go hmmmm. Wall is a rookie who does not play with anywhere near as much talent but averages 10 assists and more points........... And Rondo averages about 4 more assists (8 pts) That is another thing that you and your ilk like to make your points on: You like to think that Rondo is averaging about 40 assists per game and the next closest guy averages around 4.... the reality is that Rondo averages about 3 more than a whole bunch of other guys all of which score more points than Rondo Like I said around 14 assist, not 40. ..... Similar to last year when you and your ilk were holding out Rondo's league leading steals as some sort of evidence that he is some sort of great defender: If one were to believe what they read here, Rondo was averaging about 23 steals per game whereas the next closest guy averaged around 1.3 steals. Is this when they named him to the NBA All defensive team? I love to hear about how important chemistry is and how such and such team would not be better if they had so and so on their team. The Heat won 21 of 22 earlier this year and all we heard about over and over again is how bad their chemisty would be....... After they lost all those games? Things that make you go hmmm. You think they developed some chemistry? Pull your head a little harder. How the heck did Boozer step right in and make the Bulls a better team? Goodness gracious didn't they take their chemistry lessons? talent is talent is talent is talent......... maybe just maybe (probably incomprehensible to you) instead of averaging 99 points per game the Cs would average 107 and Rose would have just as many assists as Rondo and there would not be an automatic double team on one of the team's best players and then after winning a title Doc would not come out and say that 'Rondo's inability to shoot really hurt us during the playoffs" and Cedric Maxwell would not say "no offense to Rondo but the ball moves better when he is not around" Maxwell? LMAO Hell Maxwell thought he was better than Bird. Keep pulling you nearly got it out. ...lmfao po op stinks.,... Your posts? Pull harder. one would think that at some point you would try really really hard to avoid having that really bad posture and the curved spine etc....... I think I hearing a great s ucking sound... is it possible that the head is actually being freed from the brown spot? Pretty easy for you to hear that sound when your head is so close to the action. You did it! You may now have your head out completely. Doubt it. Pretty easy to dispute your crap as usual. You might as well go away you aren't going to win this debate. As I said you must be a educated idiot.
Posted by OneOnOne[/QUOTE]
So the Cs are in the bottom half of the league in scoring and you want to attribute Rondo's assists to more points? That is the approximate equivalent of saying Obamacare reduces the deficit.
The best point guards go to the line about 6 times per game and makes over 80% of them, 5 points per game. Rondo goes less than once per game and misses more than half of them. Less than 1 point per game - so Rondo costs them 4 or 5 points per game. Please provide me the list of point guards who read their job description and find the following in the regular print or even the fine print: avoid shooting, avoid shooting 3s, avoid shooting from the line, pound the ball into the floor until you have virtaully have guaranteed yourself an assist, cause 3 second violations, ensure that one of the best players on your team is double teamed in every half court possession, after season make sure after losing championship own coach says your inability to perform one of the most basic functions of your job costs you the title.
In the western conference Rondo is not even on the list - there was a poll recently where fans were asked if they could get any point guard which would it be and they listed 5 point guards - Rondo was not even one of the 5 options. Nash, Kidd, Westbrook, Paul, and Williams were listed - also getting votes was Rose - not even in the western conference.
It is ok, take a deep breath. The Lakers have won rings with Fisher, the Heat won a title with Jason Williams / Gary Payton, the Spurs have won rings with point guards other than Parker, and so on. It is ok that the Cs last won a title with one of the most pedestrian average point guards in the league and have not won one once since he has supposedly become an elite point guard.
I am of the opinion that if Rondo were traded out for a dozen other point guards, given the rest of the talent on the team, the Cs would be no worse off.
You disagree. You believe you are correct and think that some of the c rap that you throw against the wall sticks, ditto for me.
The reality remains that no other point guard in the league plays with more talent and that team is in the bottom half of the league in points scored; that team has its point guard on the bench in crunch time because he cannot participate in the offense, that team has a point guard that avoids shooting, shooting from the line, shooting from 3, and admittedly is a very good passer, etc.
So when all is said and done as a result of the talent that he plays with he has a ring and contributed almost nothing to it and has not won one since.
Throw Devin Harris, Baron Davis, Tyreke Evans, Steph Curry, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chrisl Paul, Deron Williams, Jameer Nelson, Gilbert Arenas, Derick Rose, Jennings, Augustin, Felton, Brooks, and several others that I am not going to list right now and it is my opinion the Cs are no worse off.
You have your opinion, I have mine - naither the twain shall meet.
So while Felton is knocking down 3 after 3 against the Cs and only 1 tenth of a second keeps the Knicks from winning, Rondo is better. In the playoffs last year, in overtime Nelson comes out and knocks down consecutive 3s to ice the game, Rondo is better. NO has had two eight game winning streaks this year and there are no all-stars or hall of famers on the roster (other than Paul) but Rondo is better. There has been debate over and over the last couple of years as to who is better Paul or Williams (not Rondo) and the decision for most is that Rose has overtaken them both.... Williams plays with no hall of famers. Jennings is the only player in history to score 55 or more in a game and have a trip doub in a calendar year. Tyreke Evans is the 3rd person in history (magic and O) to average 20, 5, and 5 as a rookie. As a rookie Rondo watched..........
The Cs are at least as good and a lot better with a whole host of other players....... but that is ok, Michael didn't care if it was Steve Kerr or Jim Paxson at the point either and Duncan doesn't care if it is Parker or Avery Johnson... Shaq didn't care if it was Jason Williams or Derek Fisher.... so when push comes to shove there can be any number of other point guards that assist #34, #5, and #20 get their next ring but if and when (and I think they will) it will be Rondo at the point but it will be because of #34, #5, & #20 and to a much lesser degree Rondo.