T-Mac is going to Detroit.Is this make Prince easier to get?

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    T-Mac is going to Detroit.Is this make Prince easier to get?

    http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

    We really have to try to get Prince now.
     
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    I just read it on ESPN also. However according to ESPN, McGrady hasn't signed yet. The offer is 1 year @ the vet minimum.
       For some reason Ainge didn't have interest in McGrady. At the vet minimum, why not have interest?
     
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    [QUOTE]I just read it on ESPN also. However according to ESPN, McGrady hasn't signed yet. The offer is 1 year @ the vet minimum.    For some reason Ainge didn't have interest in McGrady. At the vet minimum, why not have interest?
    Posted by mem17[/QUOTE]

    I think we have enough headaches right now.  I was all for TMAC - then we got Shaq.
    Prince is available, DET has said that, but HOW do we get him?  Sheeds' contract isn't enough - we need more assets!
     
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    do you have a link where Detroit has made him available?

    I'd trade Sheed, Perk or Baby and our #1 pick in '11 for Prince in a heartbeat
     
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    [QUOTE]do you have a link where Detroit has made him available? I'd trade Sheed, Perk or Baby and our #1 pick in '11 for Prince in a heartbeat
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]


    Looks like they'd trade RIP for cap relief but want a body for Prince:

    /> Things haven't changed for the Pistons -- Hamilton has been in play for either a good player or future cap relief. Tayshaun Prince's name probably will be mentioned as well, but his expiring deal of $11 million is a valuable chip that will be dealt only if a good player comes back. <

    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/freep/access/2077694651.html?FMT=FT&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&fmac=81369e989d1ca490bd0a40a1c63b9b27&date=Jul+11%2C+2010&author=VINCE+ELLIS&desc=Trading+Rip+now+seems+less+tricky

    /> Several teams are ripe for trade negotiations, and the Pistons still need frontcourt help.

    Atlanta: The Hawks overpaid to keep Joe Johnson and could decide they can't afford Josh Smith and Grand Ledge's Al Horford. The Pistons asked about Smith in the summer of 2008, and Tayshaun Prince's expiring deal could entice the Hawks to part with the 6-foot-9 guard/forward. Pistons scout Harold Ellis is familiar with both players as he was with the Hawks organization when they were drafted.

    While there are other possibilities (and cap relief or future draft picks could always play a part), Dumars and vice president Scott Perry could decide to sit tight for now. <

    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/freep/access/2091497721.html?FMT=FT&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&fmac=03dd9944eff9758f26c5a99c0604f3fc&date=Jul+25%2C+2010&author=VINCE+ELLIS&desc=All+quiet+on+the+free-agency+front

    I'd venture the C's could get Prince for Sheed & BBD with a 2nd Rd pick given their search for front court help.

     
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    I'd take Prince but the only offer I'd make to them is Sheed's contract. Sheed can go back and retire a Piston. Prince would be ideal off the bench.
     
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    [QUOTE]I'd take Prince but the only offer I'd make to them is Sheed's contract. Sheed can go back and retire a Piston. Prince would be ideal off the bench.
    Posted by BiasLewis[/QUOTE]

    Contracts don't match up - you need another $3m to go along with Sheed.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5659519
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: T-Mac is going to Detroit.Is this make Prince easier to get? : Contracts don't match up - you need another $3m to go along with Sheed. http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5659519
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    then give them cash but for God's sakes don't give them glen davis.  that would be a terrible mistake.
     
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    Exactly, I wouldn't give up BBD for a guy that seems to have a shotty back.
     
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    Other than BBD you'd have to resign Scal for say $3m or as aciemvp said cash up to a max of $3m. But remember, the Pistons are looking for front court help for Prince and most likely won't do the Sheed deal for cash and cap space alone. Personally I don't see them wanting Scal but BBD maybe as long as they get a pick with him.

     
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    Glen Davis will get less minutes this year so why dont give him to get a player like Prince?

    Look in the next summer BBD is a free agent and will demand more money.

    Wich we probably wont be able to match.

    Look at this trade:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2e3z8p4

    This is a win-win situation.

    Tell me why we shouldnt do this
     
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    I would do that trade. Davis is a solid backup at this point of his career, no less, no more.
     
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    [QUOTE]Glen Davis will get less minutes this year so why dont give him to get a player like Prince? Look in the next summer BBD is a free agent and will demand more money. Wich we probably wont be able to match. Look at this trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2e3z8p4 This is a win-win situation. Tell me why we shouldnt do this
    Posted by RondoIsHustle[/QUOTE]

    davis is making $3m.  his overrated and underachieving teammate from LSU, vyrus thomas just inked at $8m a year x 3 or 4 years and hasn't accomplished the things davis has in the league.

    next year davis will want and deserve a raise.  if the c's can't ink him for the $6m that he deserves then we are a dumb franchise.

    and i have no idea why you claim davis' minutes are going to plummet.  we have two centers, BETTER ones than last year that can easily split a game, so davis functions as the 3rd string backup center and he is the first guy off the bench to spell KG. 

    to the contrary, davis should average more minutes than ever and most importantly, doc and danny are all out of petty reasons to yank his minutes around.  given consistent minutes, all of the davis naysayers are going to eat their opinion of them or i'll eat my foot and give up on the guy.

    all i know is that when davis has had a solid diet of minutes he has produced nothing but big time in the league, and in many important games.  let's see what he can do as our 6th man / kg backup.  i'm excited to see it.  if he's done hard work this summer like he did the first two he should be poised to be better than ever.
     
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    [QUOTE]I would do that trade. Davis is a solid backup at this point of his career, no less, no more.
    Posted by mem17[/QUOTE]


    Are you kidding..No Way!

    Prince hasn't been himself for 2 years!


     
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    I wouldn't make that trade either. BBD will have a very good season I think.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: T-Mac is going to Detroit.Is this make Prince easier to get? : Are you kidding..No Way! Prince hasn't been himself for 2 years!
    Posted by heirplain[/QUOTE]
       Prince was an ironman until last season. He played all 82 games during his career aside his rookie season. Last season he played in 49 games. His numbers last year were amongst his career highs. He's the tall 3 everyone has been wanting. Not me so much. You have to give up a good player to get one in return. Just playing arm chair G.M. I can understand why people wouldn't make this trade. Big Baby may keep improving. Prince is 30 and is in his prime. Therefore he's filled his potential. Maybe B.B hasn't yet.
     
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    Big Baby may keep improving. Prince is 30 and is in his prime. Therefore he's filled his potential. Maybe B.B hasn't yet.

    But maybe he has. The only way I see him improving is by slimming down and improving his ups or the ability to kick it out when he clearly can't get off a shot. If that's not doable by the end of the season I'd say that's all there is, there ain't no more and it's time to trade him.

    But in the meantime, if Detroit offers Prince for Sheed & Davis and it improves your chances of winning another banner, I think you make that trade and find another PF from existing FA's or team cuts coming soon enough.
     
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    Big Baby does have to slim down. Leading he league in getting your shot blocked is a really bad statistic to have. Slimming down 20-30 lbs should help his jumping ability and thus his ability to finish more effectively around the basket. Your point is well made Mployee8.
     
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    [QUOTE]But in the meantime, if Detroit offers Prince for Sheed & Davis and it improves your chances of winning another banner, I think you make that trade and find another PF from existing FA's or team cuts coming soon enough.
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    But IT DOESN"T HELP US- it screws us out of our back up for KG and then you have to go get someone at least as good and CHEAP as Davis or the team has sabotaged itself!!!!  Everyone throws Davis around in these "trades" like he's a stale loaf of bread, and he just isn't that.  He's much more important to the team, no matter how much you hate "fat" people.

    Don't worry about Davis getting better.  Sure he could slim down a little bit and regardless of that he should be working on the vertical.  But what he needs to work on most is a steady diet of minutes and that has been out of his control.  Given that ('membah the tail end of the season when KG got hurt and the playoffs????!@@!$#@#$), Davis will be just fine.  The guy has played over his head when given steady minutes.

    So if you're throwing him into some trade for the 170 lb. twigshaun prince, then also figure out who you're going to get at the back up 4 who's anything near Davis' talent at: outside shooting, passing ability, general hustle and MOST IMPORTANTLY TEAM  HELP DEFENSE.  if we had no davis last year, we would have lost several regular season games and a couple of playoff games just because his help D is so good that is preserves wins and even turns games around. 

    Go back and watch some of them.  And listen to the announcers- the guys who know their crap re: basketball- nearly all of them have commented about how Davis is the best help defender there is in the league.  He is all over the place on the floor on defense helping out other (Celtic) people on switches, cutting off lanes that looked open for a second to the other team, and he draws charges and creates turnovers and breaks up plays that looked like they were coming together.

    So you can call him a fatty and throw him into these trades in an inane manner, or you can put your thinking hat on and realize how many things you have to replace if you get rid of the guy.  Sure he's got work to do, but as it is right now he is a highly under-appreciated contributor to the team.
     
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    [QUOTE]Big Baby does have to slim down. Leading he league in getting your shot blocked is a really bad statistic to have.
    Posted by mem17[/QUOTE]

    how about rondo leading the league in horrific free throw shooting by a point guard.  and it's not close.  he leads awful free throw shooting by a country mile.  and hasn't shown any signs of improvement yet.  look at the stats.  he actually got worse last year compared to the year before.  and so far he was best his rook year.  pathetic.

    so get off of davis' back.  the guy has been improving constantly.  he was flabby when we drafted him and lost a lot of weight before he ever played a game with us- lost 30 pounds and then added 30 pounds of muscle.  and he didn't stop working then and has been working on adding muscle and subtracting fat ever since.  worry about some real problems on this team like your dysfunctional PG.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: T-Mac is going to Detroit.Is this make Prince easier to get? : how about rondo leading the league in horrific free throw shooting by a point guard.  and it's not close.  he leads awful free throw shooting by a country mile.  and hasn't shown any signs of improvement yet.  look at the stats.  he actually got worse last year compared to the year before.  and so far he was best his rook year.  pathetic. so get off of davis' back.  the guy has been improving constantly.  he was flabby when we drafted him and lost a lot of weight before he ever played a game with us- lost 30 pounds and then added 30 pounds of muscle.  and he didn't stop working then and has been working on adding muscle and subtracting fat ever since.  worry about some real problems on this team like your dysfunctional PG.
    Posted by aciemvp[/QUOTE]
      I've had an argument with you once before and I won't have another. You're not going to bait me.
     
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    Dont you think that if we lose BBD Jermaine can be our backup PF??
     
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    [QUOTE]Dont you think that if we lose BBD Jermaine can be our backup PF??
    Posted by RondoIsHustle[/QUOTE]

    If we give up BBD it better be for a difference maker. BBD changes the game when he checks in a positive way.

    Banging, bruising, outhustling and generally being a match-up mismatch.

    Too strong for guys his height, and too fast for most players taller than him.

    If he could only shoot like Karl Malone........
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: T-Mac is going to Detroit.Is this make Prince easier to get? : But IT DOESN"T HELP US- it screws us out of our back up for KG and then you have to go get someone at least as good and CHEAP as Davis or the team has sabotaged itself!!!!  Everyone throws Davis around in these "trades" like he's a stale loaf of bread, and he just isn't that.  He's much more important to the team, no matter how much you hate "fat" people. Don't worry about Davis getting better.  Sure he could slim down a little bit and regardless of that he should be working on the vertical.  But what he needs to work on most is a steady diet of minutes and that has been out of his control.  Given that ('membah the tail end of the season when KG got hurt and the playoffs????!@@!$#@#$), Davis will be just fine.  The guy has played over his head when given steady minutes. So if you're throwing him into some trade for the 170 lb. twigshaun prince, then also figure out who you're going to get at the back up 4 who's anything near Davis' talent at: outside shooting, passing ability, general hustle and MOST IMPORTANTLY TEAM  HELP DEFENSE.  if we had no davis last year, we would have lost several regular season games and a couple of playoff games just because his help D is so good that is preserves wins and even turns games around.  Go back and watch some of them.  And listen to the announcers- the guys who know their crap re: basketball- nearly all of them have commented about how Davis is the best help defender there is in the league.  He is all over the place on the floor on defense helping out other (Celtic) people on switches, cutting off lanes that looked open for a second to the other team, and he draws charges and creates turnovers and breaks up plays that looked like they were coming together. So you can call him a fatty and throw him into these trades in an inane manner, or you can put your thinking hat on and realize how many things you have to replace if you get rid of the guy.  Sure he's got work to do, but as it is right now he is a highly under-appreciated contributor to the team.
    Posted by aciemvp[/QUOTE]

    What, JON's natural position isn't PF and he's not a better scorer than BBD? Beside that, there are, were and will be plenty of PF's on the cheap that can replace what BBD brings to the team. You sound as though the fate of the C's lies in the hands of BBD! Come on, get real.

    Enough with the playoffs when KG was out already. What has he done lately? Sure he had a great playoffs but consider the fact that he was left wide open in a "show me" fashion by opponents given the circumstances and risk/reward of playing off him when away from the rim and double teaming a more serious threat like PP or KP. Hat's off to him for success under pressure but that doesn't mean teams will keep playing him defensively the same way and indeed have not.

    Finding a replacement for BBD is Danny's job should he decide to trade him. There are plenty of players in that salary level that could provide the same skill/energy - Tolliver was one, Harangody may be another. There are unsigned players (Amundson comes to mind) and guys yet to be cut who most likely could fill his sneakers more than adequately. Accept the fact that Harangody is BBD's replacement - I like BBD but the blocked shot stat is telling and he will be trade bait now or later unless he's extended soon at a favorable rate for another 2 yrs with a team option for a third. No extension will mean bye-bye.
     
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    [QUOTE]Glen Davis will get less minutes this year so why dont give him to get a player like Prince? Look in the next summer BBD is a free agent and will demand more money. Wich we probably wont be able to match. Look at this trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2e3z8p4 This is a win-win situation. Tell me why we shouldnt do this
    Posted by RondoIsHustle[/QUOTE]

    WHY WOULD C'S WANT TO "DECREASE" THEIR WINS BY "4"............
     

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