Re: Tainted Championship
posted at 8/8/2010 5:36 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Tainted Championship
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tainted Championship : I don't see tiredness in the shots the Celtics were making. I do see tiredness in the poor Laker shooting.[/QUOTE]
Tired teams don't outrebound their opponents. Lakers outrebounded the Celtics by 10-9 (individual rebounds) in the 4th quarter, plus three team rebounds that would have gone their way but ended up as team rebounds (1) Wallace fouled Pau when Gasol had position and hands on the ball (10:11) (2) Nate missed his layup but slapped the ball out of Odom's hands OOB (7:45) (3) KG blocked Pau's shot and Artest was about to pick up the loose ball, but PP snatched it from Artest while sitting OOB (6:54).
As you see, all these offensive team rebounds due to missing of the 1st FT are ignored. I also give you some slack by discarding the Lakers' offensive team rebound due to KG blocking Ron Artest's layup in his semi-breakaway and the ball ended up OOB. So given that, the rebounding tally was still 13-9, Lakers.
The rebounding discrepancy and the fouls are evidence of the Celtics being tired, not the Lakers. What's your evidence? Lakers' missing shots? that's because of their shot selections (taking too many outside shots), not because of fatigue.
The Celtics were making plays and shots and the Lakers were only making foul shots. [/QUOTE]
Hate to wake you up, but fouling != making plays. Maybe in your dictionary, but not we NBA fans know about...
The Lakers looked tired and I'm not alone in this analysis. [/QUOTE]
Save your analysis for lunch. What authority do you have that people have to accept your analysis? from a biased, whiney Celtic fan?
The argument that the Celtics were tired and so fouled more doesn't stand up to scrutiny on the fouls that they were called for. [/QUOTE]
Sure do. They were tired. Repeated denial won't save your argument, since you KNOW full well that using FG% as evidence of fatigue doesn't hold water.
Two fouls called were clean blocks. Another foul called on BB was not a foul at all.
According to whom? These are the fouls committed by the Celtics that led to 21 Lakers FTs in the 4th quarter:
11:40 Davis fouled Gasol, hit his right arm when Gasol scored the FG. (1 FT)
8:46 Ray Allen fouled Kobe in his 3-point attempt; the whistle was blown as soon as Kobe was raising his arms, even before he elevated; this is totally Allen’s stupidity for using his arm to hit Kobe’s arm. Given Kobe’s struggling in shooting, this is entirely Allen’s stupidity in given Kobe 3 FTs. (3)
7:29 Pierce blocking foul on Artest when he made his FG, Pierce’s right foot was moving when he made contact. (1)
6:49 Wallace hit Gasol’s arm from behind when Gasol was going to get an offensive rebound. (2)
5:56 Kobe went for a defensive rebound, with position and hands on the ball, and yet David crashed into him, sending him lying on the floor. (2)
4:38 Gasol at the low post trying to shoot and KG ran into him. That’s the tired defender not keeping up with Gasol’s footwork. (2)
3:21 Kobe going to the hole for a dunk and PP’s right hand got to Kobe’s right arm. Why would Kobe able to do that? because the Celtics’ post defenders were nowhere to be seen. (2)
2:47 Gasol underneath the hoop and got KG whacking his left arm in a pump fake. (2)
2:20 PP blocked Gasol at mid-court; pure idiocy on PP's part, given that your team was on penalty and it was Gasol dribbling, AT MID-COURT!!! If what he meant was to stop the clock and put a struggling foul shooter on the line, then you have no right to complain. (2)
0:25 Kobe went to the hole after Gasol’s offensive rebound, Wallace blocking foul. (2)
0:11 Intentional foul on Vujacic. And please, tell us that the ref blew this one and it was a terrible call. Go ahead. (2)
So you see, the calls are good calls and well deserved.
Heck, if you can use your opinions as FACTS to argue, so can I. Thus it's my FACTS vs yours. NBA is on my side, any relevant authority on yours? Besides, you can always try this tactic:
"you must be blind; how can you say that these are good calls"
My response: "you must be blind. How can you say that these are bad calls".
If nothing else, we can go back and forth on this "you must be blind" argumnet forever. Still, the NBA recognizes the Lakers championship, not your fabricated facts.