The championship is tainted

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : Let me say it slower this time so you can comprehend.  In a previous thread I laid out all the historical facts of both teams.  You "cherry picked" certain facts to make the Lakers look better.  You changed the game so I was just playing by your rules and I buried you and will continue to bury you.  Your arguments are weaker than you are.  The Celtics have more championships today, tomorrow and the day after.  You can keep saying the Cetlics failed to make the Finals 44 times or whatever numbers you are throwing out there but none of it matter unless you win it all.  I am certain in another thread one of you Lakers trolls said something about us Celtics fans counting moral victories and laughed at that.  You are the one counting moral victories my friend.  I guess making the playoffs is a moral victory for your team but not mine.  I count championships as victories and we have more no matter which way you slice it.  So certianly take all the moral victories you would like bu the only numbers that matter 17-16.  I like how you say it is my opinion about the importance of the facts I presented.  How about you ask any impartial person who knows anything about professional basketball and ask them who the most successful franchise is in the history of the NBA is and why?  Better yet I have a question for you.  Who is the most successful franchise in the history of Major League Baseball and why? 
    Posted by rampageimt23[/QUOTE]

    Let me get it really slow with you.

    You did NOT lay out all the historical facts. You cherry picked the historical facts. The fact that you are smarting that Itsnot1966anymore and I listed more facts to smash your "all the historical facts" is exactly that, contradicted the claim that you had laid out all the historical facts.

    I'll keep throwing those unfavorable (to the Celtics) facts that you deliberately skipped on your face. There is nothing you can do. You can't dispute them. You can argue against them, but as far as argument is concerned, you can't even get into the ball park...

    I mean, everytime you mention 17-16, I can throw you two that you can't argue:

    17-48 vs 16-47, and
    10-6

    Yes, ask the impartial person which team matters more in the NBA. I mean, you are crying for impartial help? The 2-decade drought had really got to your psyche. I guess that's why hanging to a 1960s glory is the only thing you can do.

    Baseball? not before you answer me which team had claimed the most national championships in college football, and why that team isn't featured on everyone's lips as a college football powerhouse.

    See, you want to use the Yankee's ancient glory to boost your Celtics' ancient glory. Ask your cohorts, it didn't work. Just the examples in pro and college football would kill this feeble attempt.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : Let me get it really slow with you. You did NOT lay out all the historical facts. You cherry picked the historical facts. The fact that you are smarting that Itsnot1966anymore and I listed more facts to smash your "all the historical facts" is exactly that, contradicted the claim that you had laid out all the historical facts. I'll keep throwing those unfavorable (to the Celtics) facts that you deliberately skipped on your face. There is nothing you can do. You can't dispute them. You can argue against them, but as far as argument is concerned, you can't even get into the ball park... I mean, everytime you mention 17-16, I can throw you two that you can't argue: 17-48 vs 16-47, and 10-6 Yes, ask the impartial person which team matters more in the NBA. I mean, you are crying for impartial help? The 2-decade drought had really got to your psyche. I guess that's why hanging to a 1960s glory is the only thing you can do. Baseball? not before you answer me which team had claimed the most national championships in college football, and why that team isn't featured on everyone's lips as a college football powerhouse. See, you want to use the Yankee's ancient glory to boost your Celtics' ancient glory. Ask your cohorts, it didn't work. Just the examples in pro and college football would kill this feeble attempt.
    Posted by MajicMVP[/QUOTE]

    I don't watch or follow college football because it is stupid and not my cup of tea.  I did some reasearch though and from what I am reading Princeton has the most championships.  So that makes them the best ever until someone wins more than them.  Now would you care to answer my question?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : Let me get it really slow with you. You did NOT lay out all the historical facts. You cherry picked the historical facts. The fact that you are smarting that Itsnot1966anymore and I listed more facts to smash your "all the historical facts" is exactly that, contradicted the claim that you had laid out all the historical facts. I'll keep throwing those unfavorable (to the Celtics) facts that you deliberately skipped on your face. There is nothing you can do. You can't dispute them. You can argue against them, but as far as argument is concerned, you can't even get into the ball park... I mean, everytime you mention 17-16, I can throw you two that you can't argue: 17-48 vs 16-47, and 10-6 Yes, ask the impartial person which team matters more in the NBA. I mean, you are crying for impartial help? The 2-decade drought had really got to your psyche. I guess that's why hanging to a 1960s glory is the only thing you can do. Baseball? not before you answer me which team had claimed the most national championships in college football, and why that team isn't featured on everyone's lips as a college football powerhouse. See, you want to use the Yankee's ancient glory to boost your Celtics' ancient glory. Ask your cohorts, it didn't work. Just the examples in pro and college football would kill this feeble attempt.
    Posted by MajicMVP[/QUOTE]

    The bottom line is success is measured by championships.  It is not measured by how many times you made the playoffs or missed the playoffs or failed to win a championship.  Those are just called moral victories.  And I thought you said moral victories didn't mean anything?  Well apparently you do think they mean something because that is all you are counting.  The fact that you think making the playoffs more times means more than winning championships just means you have a loser mentality.  Let me ask you another question.  What do you think Kobe Bryant would say if you asked him if he would rather just make the playoffs and not win it all or win the NBA championship.  I can gurantee he would look at you like you were a r e t a r d.  According to you making the playoffs means more but I wouldn't expect anything less from a Laker fan who is used to being second best.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : I don't watch or follow college football because it is stupid and not my cup of tea.  I did some reasearch though and from what I am reading Princeton has the most championships.  So that makes them the best ever until someone wins more than them.  Now would you care to answer my question?
    Posted by rampageimt23[/QUOTE]

    See, that makes them the best ever in your silly book but no one recognize it. That is the answer to your question. Ancient championships don't give you much credibilty.

    Until you can find someone to tell us that Princeton is the best college football program.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : The bottom line is success is measured by championships.  [/QUOTE]

    Of course you pray that to be the bottom line, but you have no clue that the real world is more sophisticated than that. It is also measured by when the championships are won, unless you can find the college football fans in 2011 to tell us that Princeton is the best program in the history of college football. There are also many more factors to consider...

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    It is not measured by how many times you made the playoffs or missed the playoffs or failed to win a championship. [/QUOTE]
    Not? look at how you posted in the other thread "Celtics vs. Lakers - Thread to end all Threads on this subject"

    NBA Finals Record
    Celtics - 17-4 - .809 Winning Percentage
    Lakers - 16-15 - .516 Winning Percentage

    Instead of stating # times they win the conference (which is 31-21, Lakers), you aren't slow to remind us that it's 17-4 vs 16-15 and the winning percentage, as if winning 21 conference titles are better than winning 31 conference titles...

    Of course you don't want to talk about defeat when it's the Celtics' defeats. You can't wait to talk about the Lakers' defeats fast enough...

    [QUOTE]
     Those are just called moral victories.  [/QUOTE]
    Well, moral victories are like saying "defeats don't count", "missing the playoffs don't count" when it's the Celtics' defeats...

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    And I thought you said moral victories didn't mean anything?[/QUOTE]
    Of course not.

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     The fact that you think making the playoffs more times means more than winning championships just means you have a loser mentality. [/QUOTE]
    You aren't good enough to say loser mentality. You thought the Celtics only had 49 seasons in the NBA - the years they didn't make the playoffs don't count.

    Loser mentality is when you think you can get away with the Celtics only had 49 chances...

    [QUOTE]
     Let me ask you another question.  What do you think Kobe Bryant would say if you asked him if he would rather just make the playoffs and not win it all or win the NBA championship.  I can gurantee he would look at you like you were a r e t a r d.  According to you making the playoffs means more but I wouldn't expect anything less from a Laker fan who is used to being second best.
    Posted by rampageimt23[/QUOTE]
    You really have reading comprehension problem. According to me "making the playoffs means more"? you care to cite where I made such a statement? I just see how you can back up such a "lie"...

    I notice that you totally dodge the issue of "you have to play in the regular season if you want to play in the playoffs". Glad that you finally have no rebuttal to the fact that the Celtics had 65 chances in the NBA but failed 48 times...
     
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    [QUOTE]Sure it works - Yankees unfortunately have the most MLB titles.  To take ANY away for any reason diminishes the accomplishments of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and Joe DiMaggio......152 games?  so what?  No night baseball?  so what?  no relievers or specialists?  so what?  They made the most of the times, as DID the Celtics, and as the lakers (unfortunately) DO. I refuse to dwell on negativity or how many times another team LOST, or percentages.  I have had contact with only ONE person who has ever mentioned how many times the teams have LOST and compared them.  Who does that?? [/QUOTE]
    Yep, who are the experts on talking about losses?

    From rampageimt23's first post in "Celtics vs. Lakers - Thread to end all Threads on this subject"

    NBA Finals Record
    Celtics - 17-4 - .809 Winning Percentage
    Lakers - 16-15 - .516 Winning Percentage

    Head to Head in NBA Finals
    Celtics lead Lakers 9-3 (Rivarly?  Seems more like domination.)

    Not to mention all the posts in this forum about the sweep by the Mavs...

    It's a FACT that you folks are eagar to dwell on the Lakers' losses. It's only the Celtics' losses that you don't want to dwell on...



     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : NOPE - fans don't dwell on ANY losses - only wins - I don't really care about the lakers at all, I'm a Celtics fan, and we have kicked their rear for a long time.  I am also a Sox fan, and the Yankees, until recently, have stomped on us.  Would you say Sox/Yankees is a rivalry?  It's more like a domination.......but again, I don't care how many times the Yankees have won OR lost - I only care that in the last 10 years, the Sox have won 2.  I'll remember those more than the losses, it just depends on the person.
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11[/QUOTE]

    Wouldn't care about the Lakers at all? then folks here wouldn't have dwelled on the sweep, the "quitting", the 16-15 finals record, etc. I mean, moral victories are still better than nothing. Enjoy them...

    Yankees vs Red Sox is not a rivalry, since MLB has become a big-time league (around the time of FA),

    Yankees - 7
    Red Sox - 2

    And why do you only care about the last 10 years? Is it because:

    last 11 years, it's 2-2,
    last 12 years, it's 3-2, Yankees
    last 13 years, it's 4-2, Yankees?

    It's a nice choice of years on your part (last 10) just to avoid the Yankee's 3-peat...

    Over the last 12 years (I chose 12 for the same reason as you did, just to include the Lakers' 3-peat), the Lakers were leading 5-1. Nope, I wouldn't say it's a rivalry...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : Of course you pray that to be the bottom line, but you have no clue that the real world is more sophisticated than that. It is also measured by when the championships are won, unless you can find the college football fans in 2011 to tell us that Princeton is the best program in the history of college football. There are also many more factors to consider... Not? look at how you posted in the other thread "Celtics vs. Lakers - Thread to end all Threads on this subject" NBA Finals Record Celtics - 17-4 - .809 Winning Percentage Lakers - 16-15 - .516 Winning Percentage Instead of stating # times they win the conference (which is 31-21, Lakers), you aren't slow to remind us that it's 17-4 vs 16-15 and the winning percentage, as if winning 21 conference titles are better than winning 31 conference titles... Of course you don't want to talk about defeat when it's the Celtics' defeats. You can't wait to talk about the Lakers' defeats fast enough... Well, moral victories are like saying "defeats don't count", "missing the playoffs don't count" when it's the Celtics' defeats... Of course not. You aren't good enough to say loser mentality. You thought the Celtics only had 49 seasons in the NBA - the years they didn't make the playoffs don't count. Loser mentality is when you think you can get away with the Celtics only had 49 chances... You really have reading comprehension problem. According to me "making the playoffs means more"? you care to cite where I made such a statement? I just see how you can back up such a "lie"... I notice that you totally dodge the issue of "you have to play in the regular season if you want to play in the playoffs". Glad that you finally have no rebuttal to the fact that the Celtics had 65 chances in the NBA but failed 48 times...
    Posted by MajicMVP[/QUOTE]

    You have no rebuttals to anything I say.  What is your rebuttal to the Celtics have more championships than the Lakers?  Please tell me what your rebuttal is to that?  Oh wait your rebuttal is the Celtics have failed to win a championship 48 times and the Lakers only failed 47 times.  That is a moral victory for the Lakers.  You cited that the making the playoffs means more right in that line.  You also didn't answer my questions about MLB.  But I already know what your answer will be because you will probably "cherry pick" some facts from a certain time period of the MLB and discredit anything happened historically.  So I pose another question to you.  This one will take some thought.  In your opinion who are the top 20 basketball players that ever played the game?  I would love to know the answer to this.

    Second, I never said the Celtics only had 49 seasons in the NBA.  I said the Celtics made the playoffs 49 times.  There you go making things up again.  You might want to pay attention next time.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : You need to read better. In the last 10 years, the Sox have won twice, right or wrong?  I never said I would discount the other years, and I never said only the last ten years matter.  I said IN the last ten years, the Sox have won twice, and that's is all that matters - that we won twice.  We still lost 8 times, but you are the only person on the planet that would ever say that.  Don't care about 3-2 or 4-2.  Also don't care about moral victories, that's someone else.  Also don't care about quittING (as opposed to quitted - which is incorrect).  lakers lost and laid down like dogs - we just want to hear ONE lakers fan say that - but you won't. Getting back to my point - the Sox will never catch the Yankees - and they all count, BUT, I care that we have now won two in my lifetime.  I care that my parents got to see two before they died, and I care that we are committed to always fielding a good baseball team under this ownership.  I am now ready for your cutting and pasting, which is, of course, cherry-picking, which you accused someone else (who is not me) of. Your arguments are lame, and too negative for me.  You have not and will not change my mind on anything.  You need to just give it a rest.  You have no point to make with me - you are not wrong - we just disagree!!
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11[/QUOTE]

    In the last 13 years, the Yankess won 5, right or wrong?

    I mean, you aren't telling me you are stranger to this tactic: cherry-picking numbers, are you?

    And I said in the last 13 years, because using 13 years, that would make my case unbreakable, just like you want to use 10 years. Aren't you aware what you are doing? You deliberately select a number to build your case, which is easily refuted by my carefully selected number.

    And your Sox can't catch the Yankees, because even in this era, it's not even close, unless you somehow got a message from God saying that 10 years is the ultimate demarcation point. As for Celtics vs Lakers, it's the other way around in this era. It's not close either.

    Even if (big IF) I agree to use the last 10 years (from 2002 to 2011), the Lakers are still leading 3-1...

    So, you conceded your Red Sox not on par with the Yankees, that's your problem.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : You have no rebuttals to anything I say.  What is your rebuttal to the Celtics have more championships than the Lakers?  [/QUOTE]
    What's your rebuttal to the Celtics have more failures than the Lakers then?

    Are you up to the same trick that the Celtics only had 49 chances (playoffs) and they only failed 32 times in the playoffs? while discarding the times they missed the playoffs?


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    Please tell me what your rebuttal is to that?  Oh wait your rebuttal is the Celtics have failed to win a championship 48 times and the Lakers only failed 47 times.  That is a moral victory for the Lakers. [/QUOTE]
    Not at all. Failing less often aren't "moral victory", they are actual victories. You need actual victories to avoid the Celtics' 2-decade long droughts. Moral victories are like "we have heart by losing 4-1 and you quitted by getting swept"...

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     You cited that the making the playoffs means more right in that line.  You also didn't answer my questions about MLB. [/QUOTE]
    Sure I did, the answer is Princeton. There goes your MLB line of thought down the dump...

    [QUOTE]
     But I already know what your answer will be because you will probably "cherry pick" some facts from a certain time period of the MLB and discredit anything happened historically.  So I pose another question to you.  This one will take some thought.  In your opinion who are the top 20 basketball players that ever played the game?  I would love to know the answer to this. [/QUOTE]
    I don't follow college basketball, so I can't tell you...

    [QUOTE]Second, I never said the Celtics only had 49 seasons in the NBA.
     I said the Celtics made the playoffs 49 times.  There you go making things up again.  You might want to pay attention next time.
    Posted by rampageimt23[/QUOTE]
    What about "made the playoffs 49 times"? How many seasons did they play in the NBA? Are those 16 seasons they played in the NBA chances or not?

    Yes? then you lied when you said "The Lakers had 58 chances to win the NBA title and only did it 16 times.  The Celtics had 49 chances to win the NBA title and did it 17 times. "

    No? then you lied when you said "I never said the Celtics only had 49 seasons in the NBA."

    See, instead of cutting the losses and admitting your screw-up (of not counting those other 16 seasons as chances, by telling us that the Celtics had only 49 chances), you are sinking in the quicksand...


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : In the last 13 years, the Yankees have won 5 - correct - don't care Not choosing 10 years - okay, I'll amend it - in the last FIFTY years, the Sox have won twice - my point is I don't care about or dwell on the 48 times they lost, only the two they've won. Your comeback doesn't even address my points at all.  You keep saying cherry picking, that is not what I am doing.  It is what YOU are doing. NONE of your facts are wrong  - NONE!  I just don't care about them, or care to dwell on the negatives!! Hope that helps you out!
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11[/QUOTE]

    Well, you may want to dwell on the two they won. But on the other hand, your camp have been dwelling on the Lakers' 16-15, 9-3, sweep/quitting and 131-92/quitting. See, when it's the other team that you envy, you dwell on its negative instead of stating the positives:

    - 31 conference championships
    - 16 titles (13 of which the Celtics weren't even good enough to be cannon folder)
    - run into a red hot team which turned out to be the champs
    - good enough to win 2 games in the finals (unlike the 2009 Celtics)

    See, you folks know this stunt, so do I...

    Dwell on postives? only when I point out the Celtics' negatives
    Dwell on negatives? only when it's the Lakers negatives...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : maybe if we don't answer, he'll go away, and claim a "moral" victory....lol!!
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11[/QUOTE]

    But he won't. He is in a "rage", claims that he'll follow me (with more of his contradictions).
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The championship is tainted : What's your rebuttal to the Celtics have more failures than the Lakers then? Are you up to the same trick that the Celtics only had 49 chances (playoffs) and they only failed 32 times in the playoffs? while discarding the times they missed the playoffs? Not at all. Failing less often aren't "moral victory", they are actual victories. You need actual victories to avoid the Celtics' 2-decade long droughts. Moral victories are like "we have heart by losing 4-1 and you quitted by getting swept"... Sure I did, the answer is Princeton. There goes your MLB line of thought down the dump... I don't follow college basketball, so I can't tell you... What about "made the playoffs 49 times"? How many seasons did they play in the NBA? Are those 16 seasons they played in the NBA chances or not? Yes? then you lied when you said "The Lakers had 58 chances to win the NBA title and only did it 16 times.  The Celtics had 49 chances to win the NBA title and did it 17 times. " No? then you lied when you said "I never said the Celtics only had 49 seasons in the NBA." See, instead of cutting the losses and admitting your screw-up (of not counting those other 16 seasons as chances, by telling us that the Celtics had only 49 chances), you are sinking in the quicksand...
    Posted by MajicMVP[/QUOTE]

    Princeton has the most MLB titles??  That is news to me.  Didn't realize Princeton played Major League Baseball.  Failing less often are actual victories?  OK so that means the Celtics had a more successful season this year than the Lakers because the Celtics went 5-4 in the playoffs and the Lakers went 4-6.  So we agree based on what you are saying the Celtics had a more successful season this year right?  Awesome....another victory for the Celtics!!!

    I didn't ask you about top 20 players of college basketball but since you mentioned it now of all of sudden you don't follow college basketball??  You seem to know about UCLA and all the championships they won??  There goes that hypocrisy thing again.  Just goes to show what a fraud and coward you are.  Well since you fail to answer any of my questions then I win.  Game over.  Thanks for playing.  You avoid my questions because you know your answers will go against all the lame arguments that you put up throughout this posts.  So also please point out where I contradicted myself?  Oh wait that is another question that you won't answer.    Keep counting your moral victories son.  It will get you far in life.  Maybe it will get you out of your mothers house one day and into the real world. 
     
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    Just because I love pissing Faker fans off, The DEFENDING NBA Champs, your very own LA Lakers with a Healthy Bynum and Kobe got SWEPT.

    Swept....HAHAHA

    If that isn't quiting, I don't know what is.
     
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    Two titles and three finals in four years, fourth year swept in the second round? I'll take it.
     
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    posted at 6/27/2011 12:46 PM EDT
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    One title and two Finals appearances in 4 years.  And never swept..............how many other teams can say that.  I won't say I'm happy, but I'm probably happier than if I was a Bulls or Heat fan!!
    -----------------------------------------------
    Back to Back titles is so much more fulfilling, but I am glad that you are supposedely happier than a Bulls or Heat fan.

    Laughing
     
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    The funny thing is that he really does believe that I am RicoCeltic because I say "I'm just sayin" or "just sayin" occasionally. Laughing 
     

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