The Numbers that matter

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    The Numbers that matter

    This is what I need to see from the key guys in our crew this year:

    • 5 3PA per game from Avery Bradley
    • 8 FTA per game from Jeff Green
    • 8 RPG and 2 3PA per game for Jared Sullinger
    • 5 APG from Crawford
    • 20 MPG for Vitor Faverani
    • At least 10 PPG for Marshon Brooks
    • At least 4 ORB per game for Humpty
    • 0 turnovers per game for Brandon Bass

     

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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

     
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    As a coach you can't dictate makes, you can only dictate attempts.

    What if he's 0-3....should he still keep shooting till he gets 5 makes?

     
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    Numbers that matter.....
     

    Player 2013/14 2014/15 2015/16 2016/17 2017/18 Kris Humphries $12,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 Rajon Rondo $12,000,000 $13,000,000 $0 $0 $0 Gerald Wallace $10,105,855 $10,105,855 $10,105,855 $0 $0 Jeff Green $8,700,000 $9,200,000 $9,200,000 $0 $0 Brandon Bass $6,750,000 $6,950,000 $0 $0 $0 Courtney Lee $5,225,000 $5,450,000 $5,675,000 $0 $0 Keith Bogans $5,058,198 $0 $0 $0 $0 Avery Bradley $2,511,432 $3,581,302 $0 $0 $0 Jordan Crawford $2,162,418 $3,206,866 $0 $0 $0 Vitor Faverani $2,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 Kelly Olynyk $1,986,360 $2,075,760 $2,165,160 $3,094,013 $4,279,020 Jared Sullinger $1,365,720 $1,424,520 $2,269,260 $3,270,003 $0 Marshon Brooks $1,276,560 $2,299,084 $3,377,354 $0 $0 Chris Babb $490,180 $0 $0 $0 $0 Damen Bell-Holter $490,180 $0 $0 $0 $0 Phil Pressey $490,180 $0 $0 $0 $0 DeShawn Sims $490,180 $0 $0 $0 $0 Kammron Taylor $490,180 $0 $0 $0 $0 TOTALS: $71,631,723 $46,781,615 $24,980,855 $0 $0

     
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    As a coach you can't dictate makes, you can only dictate attempts.

    What if he's 0-3....should he still keep shooting till he gets 5 makes?

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    Replace makes with attempts, does that makes sense too?

    How about just try to make good shots when good opportunities present itself.  An attempt is not a good one if it is overly difficult or if the person is not a good shooter which results in low make percentage.

     
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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

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    Yes it is a pretty good thing. Our new coach is a major stats guy. He knows if you hit 3 out of ten 3 pointers that is 9 points, Even if it is a poor level of 3 point shooting  (30 percent)

    If you hit 5 out of ten two pointers (elite levels of shooting, 50%) you have only 10 points.

     

    So Basically a lot more bang for the buck for threes. That is why Brad Stevens screamed and KO and Sullinger that they must never pass up an open three.

     
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    This is what I need to see from the key guys in our crew this year:

    • 5 3PA per game from Avery Bradley
    • 8 FTA per game from Jeff Green
    • 8 RPG and 2 3PA per game for Jared Sullinger
    • 5 APG from Crawford
    • 20 MPG for Vitor Faverani
    • At least 10 PPG for Marshon Brooks
    • At least 4 ORB per game for Humpty
    • 0 turnovers per game for Brandon Bass

     

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    None of these things are going to happen. Not one.

     
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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

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    In my opinion, Avery is (and should be) the best three point shooter on this team. We need him to take less of a focus on ball handling and assisting, and more of a focus on stretching out the offense. If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that down on offense to be a true 3&D guy. Can't dictate makes. He needs to be aggressively looking for his shot, just like Jeff needs to be aggresively looking to get to the rim and get to the line.

     
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    This is what I need to see from the key guys in our crew this year:

    • 5 3PA per game from Avery Bradley
    • 8 FTA per game from Jeff Green
    • 8 RPG and 2 3PA per game for Jared Sullinger
    • 5 APG from Crawford
    • 20 MPG for Vitor Faverani
    • At least 10 PPG for Marshon Brooks
    • At least 4 ORB per game for Humpty
    • 0 turnovers per game for Brandon Bass

     

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    None of these things are going to happen. Not one.

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    I disagree. Its achievable. ... But, the point is that it should be their goals.

    Brandon should never be handling the ball, so he sould aim for <.5 TO's PG. Avery needs to take the outside shot at least 5 per game. Jeff needs to get to the line, 4 times per game is not unreasonable. Jared needs to not ever take more than two three pointers per game unless he can show he has that shot. Crawford needs to be our main ball handler, so that mean 5 assist per game. Favarani is our only true Center and the man-child has skill. He should play the 5 20 minutes per game, if not start there.

     

    I think all of these are achievable. Not in the sense that Stevens will be out there yelling, AVERY YOU ONLY HAVE 4 ATTEMPTS! Thats not how it works. I mean, at the end of the season, these stats should be the evidence that certain goals and roles were met.

     
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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

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    Yes it is a pretty good thing. Our new coach is a major stats guy. He knows if you hit 3 out of ten 3 pointers that is 9 points, Even if it is a poor level of 3 point shooting  (30 percent)

    If you hit 5 out of ten two pointers (elite levels of shooting, 50%) you have only 10 points.

     

    So Basically a lot more bang for the buck for threes. That is why Brad Stevens screamed and KO and Sullinger that they must never pass up an open three.

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    Exactly, and Avery has shown a tendency to pass up the open look, or defer to his teammates to take the shot. Within Stevens system, as our starting shooting guard, as an above average shooter (esp from the corners) and as a student of Ray Allen, Avery should be taking 5 threes per game

     

     
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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

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    In my opinion, Avery is (and should be) the best three point shooter on this team. We need him to take less of a focus on ball handling and assisting, and more of a focus on stretching out the offense. If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that down on offense to be a true 3&D guy. 

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    Avery isn't the best 3 point shooter on the team.  He isn't even the third-to-best 3 point SG on the team.  Are you drawing your conclusions on his 3 point % achievement in a hand-full of pre-season games?  A more accurate assessment would be through 50 regular season games last year where he was barely at 30%.  BTW, What is your reasoning on why "he should be" the best 3 point shooter ?? 

    I find it comical that you say "If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that 3 down..."  What about your boy Rondo.  are you saying Rondo isn't a well rounded player?  LOL.

     

     
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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

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    In my opinion, Avery is (and should be) the best three point shooter on this team. We need him to take less of a focus on ball handling and assisting, and more of a focus on stretching out the offense. If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that down on offense to be a true 3&D guy. 

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    Avery isn't the best 3 point shooter on the team.  He isn't even the third-to-best 3 point SG on the team.  Are you drawing your conclusions on his 3 point % achievement in a hand-full of pre-season games?  A more accurate assessment would be through 50 regular season games last year where he was barely at 30%.  BTW, What is your reasoning on why "he should be" the best 3 point shooter ?? 

    I find it comical that you say "If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that 3 down..."  What about your boy Rondo.  are you saying Rondo isn't a well rounded player?  LOL.

     

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    Face it! The celtics don't have a three shooter. The players need to work on their own time on that shot. Don't take from the normal offense to jack up the threes.. practice on their own time! Brad needs to develop a game plan to run picks and isololations. Pro ball is planned not spontaenious and  helter skelter just doesn't cut it except on fast breaks.. Players need to be not selfish as GW suggests. See the floor, pass, cut, pick help your team mate ....That works!

     BTW Rondo doesn't jack up 3's. He goes to the hoop!

     
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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

     



    In my opinion, Avery is (and should be) the best three point shooter on this team. We need him to take less of a focus on ball handling and assisting, and more of a focus on stretching out the offense. If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that down on offense to be a true 3&D guy. 

     

    Avery isn't the best 3 point shooter on the team.  He isn't even the third-to-best 3 point SG on the team.  Are you drawing your conclusions on his 3 point % achievement in a hand-full of pre-season games?  A more accurate assessment would be through 50 regular season games last year where he was barely at 30%.  BTW, What is your reasoning on why "he should be" the best 3 point shooter ?? 

    I find it comical that you say "If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that 3 down..."  What about your boy Rondo.  are you saying Rondo isn't a well rounded player?  LOL.

     

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    Rondo isn't a 3 and D guy. He is a differnet player. If Bradley learned to handle the ball and could pass like Rondo he could get by without a 3. Although in fairness a 3 point shot is a great weapan for any player to have. 

     

     
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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

     



    Yes it is a pretty good thing. Our new coach is a major stats guy. He knows if you hit 3 out of ten 3 pointers that is 9 points, Even if it is a poor level of 3 point shooting  (30 percent)

     

    If you hit 5 out of ten two pointers (elite levels of shooting, 50%) you have only 10 points.

     

    So Basically a lot more bang for the buck for threes. That is why Brad Stevens screamed and KO and Sullinger that they must never pass up an open three.



    More bang for the buck at 30% but would it stay at 30% if Bradley or Sully shoots a lot more 3s?  Historically with just 3 years sample, he had about 40% when he shot a little less than 1 a game, then it goes down to about 32% when he shot 2.5 per game.  Where would it be if Bradley double that to shooting 5 per game?  This was after he had more time to work on his 3s, and he shot more and the percentage go down instead of improving.  Just from the eye test and from watching him, he is not a good 3 point shooter.


    The point is there should not be an emphasis for Bradley or Sully to shoot more 3s.  How about Bradley learn to finish simple layup in traffic and Sully work on more inside moves around the rim and lose weight and get a little more athletic.

     
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    Do worry about Avery shooting the ball, he will shoot plenty, he shot us out of two wins, he gets a lot of attemps because he simply out hustles the other players.  He will take plenty of shots and he is not a great shooter, let us hope he will become a good scorer.  Lee and Bradley will cost us close games if they continue to shoot the way they shoot at this time, let us hope they improve.

     
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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

     



    In my opinion, Avery is (and should be) the best three point shooter on this team. We need him to take less of a focus on ball handling and assisting, and more of a focus on stretching out the offense. If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that down on offense to be a true 3&D guy. 

     

     

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    Avery isn't the best 3 point shooter on the team.  He isn't even the third-to-best 3 point SG on the team.  Are you drawing your conclusions on his 3 point % achievement in a hand-full of pre-season games?  A more accurate assessment would be through 50 regular season games last year where he was barely at 30%.  BTW, What is your reasoning on why "he should be" the best 3 point shooter ?? 

    I find it comical that you say "If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that 3 down..."  What about your boy Rondo.  are you saying Rondo isn't a well rounded player?  LOL.

     

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    Rondo isn't a 3 and D guy. He is a differnet player. If Bradley learned to handle the ball and could pass like Rondo he could get by without a 3. Although in fairness a 3 point shot is a great weapan for any player to have. 

     

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    Although I believe that a PG needs to have an oputside shot... if you want to get technical, wouldn't you consider that a player needs not to be a liability at the free throw line, otherwise he may not be a well-rounded player???

     
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    3PA?  Not sure what you mean?  You want more or less attempts?  And why attempts and not made?  You can shoot a lot but if they don't go in, is that a good thing?

     



    In my opinion, Avery is (and should be) the best three point shooter on this team. We need him to take less of a focus on ball handling and assisting, and more of a focus on stretching out the offense. If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that down on offense to be a true 3&D guy. 

     

     

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    Avery isn't the best 3 point shooter on the team.  He isn't even the third-to-best 3 point SG on the team.  Are you drawing your conclusions on his 3 point % achievement in a hand-full of pre-season games?  A more accurate assessment would be through 50 regular season games last year where he was barely at 30%.  BTW, What is your reasoning on why "he should be" the best 3 point shooter ?? 

    I find it comical that you say "If Avery is ever going to be a well rounded player, he needs to get that 3 down..."  What about your boy Rondo.  are you saying Rondo isn't a well rounded player?  LOL.

     

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    Rondo isn't a 3 and D guy. He is a differnet player. If Bradley learned to handle the ball and could pass like Rondo he could get by without a 3. Although in fairness a 3 point shot is a great weapan for any player to have. 

     

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    Although I believe that a PG needs to have an oputside shot... if you want to get technical, wouldn't you consider that a player needs not to be a liability at the free throw line, otherwise he may not be a well-rounded player???

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    No doubt It certainly helps one be well rounded. My belief is that Rondo makes up for it by being terrifc at other phases of the game, but his free throw shooting is bad for a guard.

    But he is a good rebounder, a great passer, a good scorer, and good defender.  You get the  good you get the bad.  

     

     
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    This isn't about Rondo who can affect the game on both sides of the court in his own way, and is really good at what he's good at.

     

    Avery is still a young player. He essentially shadowed Ray during his first few years. Avery has a nice jumpshot and is very effective in the corner. In Brads system, our starting 2 guard needs to take open shots from outside. Avery is not a selfish player. That is why he needs to be more aggressive from behind the 3pt line.

     

    I am not basing anyhting off of preseason stats... Avery has always been a good shooter and I remember Doc specifically saying that Avery has the skills to be a more effective shooter. He is in a position to take 5 outside shots per game and make 2-3 of them. How do you not agree with that?

     

    Who else on this team, besides Green, do you want to take 3s? Yes Crawford is a decent outside shooter, Lee is theoretically a good outside shooter, Brooks is unproven, Wallace seems to be but isn't a historically great outside shooter, Sully & KO are unproven...

     

    Avery is the starting 2 guard. He should be taking the most 3s.

     
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    I think Crawford is a legit 3pt threat and by far the best shooter on the team.  The guy has range well beyond the line.

    I'm ok with ab at the corner three, but not the top.

     

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