This All Started When Posey was Let Go

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    [QUOTE]The Celtics refused to overpay James Posey in 2008. By letting Posey go the Celtics lost a backup PF/SF/SG. In 2009 the Big 3 had to play a lot of minutes because the players off the bench at that time was not getting it done. The heavy minutes resulted in KG blowing out his knee and missing the entire playoffs.  If the Lakers didn't overpay Lamar Odom in 2009 I doubt the Lakers would have won another championship in 2010. The Celtics had a 3-year window after acquiring KG and Ray in 2007. In year 1 the Celtics already accomplished the mission. It's just unfortunate that the owners had to ruin it by thinking about money instead of another championship.  
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    On top of that, they let Tony Allen walk.  They should have godfathered TA into staying here - they have NO other defensive stoppers

    Overcoming the loss of TWO premiere defensive specialists will be tough, although to Ainge's defense there's almost no way that Posey has the quickness to stay in front of LeBron anymore
     
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    [QUOTE]After the Celtics won in 2008 they let James Posey go and replaced him with JR Giddens. Now tell me if that's not a dumb move! You're lying if any of you tell me the Lakers would still have beaten the Celtics in the Finals last year if the Lakers didn't have Lamar Odom. Without Odom the Lakers might not even be in the Finals last year. In the end the Lakers overpaid Lamar Odom and it resulted in another championship.  The Celtics were more concerned about money than winning another championship when they let James Posey go. Same thing with Tony Allen, if TA was still a Celtic there was no need for Jeff Green.  In the final analysis the Celtics were more concerned about money than winning another championship. The Celtics and Danny Ainge can say whatever they want, but actions speak louder than words. If winning was the utmost priority then why did they let Posey and TA go?  
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    Agree with your points about not being willing to spend the money to resign Posey and TA.  Obviously, if TA was still with the Celtics they wouldn't have traded Perk for Jeff Green.  I am unclear about the negotations with TA last year.  Whatever the reason, Danny should have resigned him before he had a chance to accept another offer from another team. 
     
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    Celtics had zero chance of repeating with James Posey because Kevin Garnett was out. Without him, the Celtics don't win and didnt win as a matter of fact. Garnett hasnt been the same since then, the explosion left when he hurt that knee.
     
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    "Anyone with a clue knows that if KG didn't go down it would have very likely been 3 straight finals against LA and who knows what happens"

    Exactly. It's the KG injury that's the key here. Posey is irrelevant. You can't look at trades like a bunch of dominos. Some moves are good, some aren't. 

    Each season is different. This season is different because Ainge traded our starting center at the trading deadline because he was counting on a 39 year old, 300 pound man. 
     
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    "Are you 100% sure that if Posey was a Celtic in 2009 that KG would still get injured?"

    no, but it's fair to say in retrospect KG's injury was the key to that season. Your notion that Posey somehow prevents KG's injury is silly. 

    As you'll recall Posey signed a huge contract that has been an albatross ever since. I think Ainge has made a number of mistakes in recent years but not signing Posey to that monster deal was not one of them. If Posey had taken a hometown discount as he should have (rather than getting lost on other teams) he would have been here. That's on Posey, not Ainge.

    ""Are you 100% sure that if Posey was a Celtic in 2009 that KG wouldn't have been injured?"

    No, of course you're not. 






     
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    [QUOTE]The Celtics refused to overpay James Posey in 2008. By letting Posey go the Celtics lost a backup PF/SF/SG.  
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    I would wager that if DA could do that one over again, he would re-sign Posey. He's the one guy I really regret losing, besides Leon Powe.
     
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    [QUOTE]It all started,when Garnett went down in Utah. They made the right decision,because they couldn't win without Garnett.
    Posted by notrade[/QUOTE]

    Yes

    we were not winning a thing w/o KG in '09

    Posey was not much better than TA in '10, esp b/c we faced Wade and Kobe, smaller SG's, and Posey would have been more helpful on guys like Melo, LBJ, and Deng, long SF's.

    Posey is now 34 and is not a better player than Jeff Green. although hving been part of the system so long he'd prob be giving us more at this point quite frankly.

    but it is not having the '08 KG that has hurt this team WAAAY more than no Pose.

    Ray Allen has actually been better since '08 in the postseason and Rondo's improvement masked whatever slippahe occured in Pierce.

    but it is KG not being what he was that lessended this team.

    I'd have rather Danny given Barnes a 1 year than draft Gibbons in '08-'09. Then given Birdman a shot over Patrick O'Bryant. Used the draft pick on DeAndre Jordan and use the MLE on Treevor Ariza over 'Sheed a year later.

    but hindsight is 20-20
     
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    Re: This All Started When Posey was Let Go

    Posey let go
    KG hurts knee
    no championship

    Perk hurts knee
    KG, PP, Allen missing the baskets in game 7
    no championship

    Perk is traded (aside from Nate, Quis, Semih, Luke)
    we get Krstic, Green, Murphy, Sasha, Arroyo
    KG, PP Allen has no defensive help in middle but using BACKUP JOneal
    say bye bye Finals and bye bye Core 4 dynastyCry
     
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    [QUOTE]  I do think that Perk could have made a difference in this series and we would have won at least one of these games.  I still think that Perk is missed and could be the difference maker in our winning or losing a series.  
    Posted by susan250[/QUOTE]

    YES YES AND YES...1,000% AGREED!
     

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