This is Why Rondo Will be Traded

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    This is Why Rondo Will be Traded

    Note: Michael Pina's featured Globe article incorporated into this post.
     
    Rajon Rondo, the most enigmatic player in the NBA, does not fit in with the Celtics long-term future.  He's now 27 years old, with seven seasons under his belt. We know what he is (assuming he comes back full strength from a torn ACL), and despite being selected to the last four All-Star games, that answer isn't a franchise cornerstone. 

    He is an excellent passer, and rebounder for a PG.  But his inability to threaten defenses with a jumper, an inefficient foul shooter, and non-existent three-point shot, have allowed opposing teams to scheme against the Celtics in ways Doc Rivers never had a successful answer for and a new coach will be similiarly challenged presenting a potential conflict of personalities and control. 

    Rondo needs individual scorers around him. He needs screen setters who can also shoot as well as knock down three-point shooters to space the floor to compensate for his ineficient outside shot. 

    Rondo's existing contract will expire in two years.  Rondo, at 29, will be looking for every penny he can get as an unrestricted free agent, and the Celtics most likely won't be in a position to overpay, which is what a five-year max contract would be.  In a rebuilding effort, it doesn't make sense to acquire long term pieces that compensate for Rondo's weaknesses, if he is only here for the short term. 

    Rondo's impact on the team's offense has statistically been dwindling. Boston's overall offense this past season was three points per 100 possessions better with him off the court than on. The defense was statistically better as well.

    This is why he'll inevitably be dealt, and why the Celtics would be wise to wait until his value is at its peak before cashing out for a strong haul that will immediately accelerate the team's renovation.  It is too soon to move Rondo now. His injury would not return max trade value, his trade would be too disruptive to the team and fan base and there isn't a capable PG replacement at the moment. 

    For an organization that's long lacked All-Star caliber talent, and/or has productive scorers in place, Rondo would be a considerable step in the right direction, bringing high trade value in a deal including a first round lottery pick, or in a deal including Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter or the like.

    Teams like the Phoenix SunsSacramento KingsCharlotte BobcatsOrlando Magic and Utah Jazz are all in need of a franchise point guard assuming that their recent draft picks or trades don't fill their need beforehand.

    This is why after Rondo proves that he is fully recovered from his injury, he will be traded either at the deadline, or more likely at the end of the season and prior to the yummy 2014 draft... where we will find our new improved franchise PG.

     
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    Note: Michael Pina's featured Globe article incorporated into this post.   Rajon Rondo ,  the most enigmatic player in the NBA, does not  fit in with the Celtics long-term future.   He's now 27 years old, with seven seasons under his belt. We know what he is (assuming he comes back full strength from a torn   ACL ), and despite being selected to the last four All-Star games, that answer isn't a franchise cornerstone. 

    He is an excellent passer, and rebounder for a PG.  But his inability to threaten defenses with a jumper, an inefficient foul shooter, and non-existent three-point shot, have allowed opposing teams to scheme against the Celtics in ways Doc Rivers never had a successful answer for and a new coach will be similiarly challenged presenting a potential conflict of personalities and control. 

    Rondo needs individual scorers around him. He needs screen setters who can also shoot as well as knock down three-point shooters to space the floor to compensate for his ineficient outside shot. 

    Rondo's existing contract will expire in two years.  Rondo, at 29, will be looking for every penny he can get as an unrestricted free agent, and the Celtics most likely won't be in a position to overpay, which is what a five-year max contract would be.  In a rebuilding effort, it doesn't make sense to acquire long term pieces that compensate for Rondo's weaknesses, if he is only here for the short term. 

    Rondo's impact on the team's offense has statistically been dwindling. Boston's overall offense this past season was three points per 100 possessions better with him off the court than on. The defense was statistically better as well.

    This is why he'll inevitably be dealt, and why the Celtics would be wise to wait until his value is at its peak before cashing out for a strong haul that will immediately accelerate the team's renovation.  It is too soon to move Rondo now. His injury would not return max trade value, his trade would be too disruptive to the team and fan base and there isn't a capable PG replacement at the moment. 

    For an organization that's long lacked All-Star caliber talent, and/or has productive scorers in place, Rondo would be a considerable step in the right direction, bringing high trade value in a deal including a first round lottery pick, or in a deal including Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter or the like.

    Teams like the Phoenix SunsSacramento KingsCharlotte BobcatsOrlando Magic and Utah Jazz are all in need of a franchise point guard assuming that their recent draft picks or trades don't fill their need beforehand.

    This is why after Rondo proves that he is fully recovered from his injury, he will be traded either at the deadline, or more likely at the end of the season and prior to the yummy 2014 draft... where we will find our new improved franchise PG.

     



    Somehow, some way, the Rondo aplogists and lovers will deny the truth in this article. The writing is on the wall..........

     

     
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    The Mavs are eyeing Rondo so they will attract  D12.

    If D12 signs with the Mavs, I would expect Ainge to turn up talks with Mavs and Rondo will be heading there  before the summer is over.

    Now, what does Dallas have that we would want?

    Shane Larkin and OJ Mayo (S&T)

     
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    The Mavs are eyeing Rondo so they will attract  D12.

    If D12 signs with the Mavs, I would expect Ainge to turn up talks with Mavs and Rondo will be heading there  before the summer is over.

    Now, what does Dallas have that we would want?

    Shane Larkin and OJ Mayo (S&T)

     


    Only rumor, but its being said that they are talking about 2 #1s already..........

     

     
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    At some point we need good players, not picks. What is Ainge trying to do buy the #1 pick next year for 5 #1s. LOL

    Accumilating picks is good but you can only get so many in the next few drafts.

     
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    Yeah, Dallas is another possibility, but I don't see them getting Rondo.  I believe that Howard will sign with Houston before Rondo's potential trade, so Dallas wouldn't need (or want) him with or without a productive Larkin.

    and if by some chance Dallas did land Howard, they would not trade Mayo, a key offensive shooter which they would need if Rondo were on the floor.  Cuban doesn't need Rondo for someone to throw lobs at the rim.  and can you imagine the coaching nightmares with Howard and Rondo!!

     
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    At some point we need good players, not picks. What is Ainge trying to do buy the #1 pick next year for 5 #1s. LOL

    Accumilating picks is good but you can only get so many in the next few drafts.

     

     

    Yup. He must have a damn plan though, right? He must be gona hit on someone big, soon. If we could build around Sully, Uncle Jeff, AB with a DMC and a REAL PG, with all the picks he's gonna have. DAMN. We could compete and buld, lottery shmottery, NO???? Whatchu think?

     
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    At some point we need good players, not picks. What is Ainge trying to do buy the #1 pick next year for 5 #1s. LOL

    Accumilating picks is good but you can only get so many in the next few drafts.

     

     

    Yup. He must have a damn plan though, right? He must be gona hit on someone big, soon. If we could build around Sully, Uncle Jeff, AB with a DMC and a REAL PG, with all the picks he's gonna have. DAMN. We could compete and buld, lottery shmottery, NO???? Whatchu think?



    The Celtics should have decent odds at winning the #1 pick next year.  But there will be foundation talent from 1-10 anyway, so... I believe "that plan" is aimed at the season after this raw rebuilding year.  Where Rondo is the centerstone to a trade that nets us a proven young Center. Olynyk, (who I think will be great!) moves to PF with Sully, Green is thriving at SF, we draft our starting PG in 2014 and draft and/or trade some picks our future super star SG to.

    After next year's washout season, the potential roster could look like:

    C -   Kantor or Favors / Melo  (hopefully ready after ongoing development and improvement) 

    PF - Olynyk / Sully   (I love this dichodomy of talent for flexible game strategy)

    SF - Green / new. traded for current detritus below

    SG - Bradley / 2014 draft pick / Brooks

    PG - 2014 draft (top 4) / new. traded for current detritus below

    Gone:  Crawford, Lee, Bass, Shav, DWill, White, Wilcox Colton and everyone in the NJ trade except Brooks

     
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    Rondo has attracted the first published trade interest since 2007 in the mega deal for KG.

    The Mavs are smelling fire sale but DA sez he is very comfortable rebuilding around Rondo.

    Pump 'em and dump 'em, DA.

    The recent Mavs pickup PG Shane Larkin looks like a player. He could make me totally forget about Rondo in a big hurry.

    Pud  

     
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    Are you kidding me? You found an opinion piece that agrees with your Rondo stance? That article has no facts, statistics, measurements, or new ideas. It conveniently leaves out the fact that Rondo was leading in FG% before the injury. 

     

    Rondo may be dealt, but you all are dead wrong thinking we can just find another conerstone pointguard just like that.

     

    You hate every move that Danny makes, you hate our assets, but you think that we can just magically "rebuild" in a season and even more magically draft Duncan, Jordan and Shaq and then be a winning franchise forever.

     

    Seriously, do you really think there is something about the Celtic green that we can out compete the entire league like that? Its either, we are normal / suck, Danny is a genius, or our pieces are really valuable. PICK ONE

     

     
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    Clearly Michael Pina is out of his league.  I think that him and Pud may be the only two people on this planet that believe that Rondo is worth a Favors or Kanter.

     
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    Are you kidding me? You found an opinion piece that agrees with your Rondo stance? That article has no facts, statistics, measurements, or new ideas. It conveniently leaves out the fact that Rondo was leading in FG% before the injury. 

     

    Rondo may be dealt, but you all are dead wrong thinking we can just find another conerstone pointguard just like that.

     

    You hate every move that Danny makes, you hate our assets, but you think that we can just magically "rebuild" in a season and even more magically draft Duncan, Jordan and Shaq and then be a winning franchise forever.

     

    Seriously, do you really think there is something about the Celtic green that we can out compete the entire league like that? Its either, we are normal / suck, Danny is a genius, or our pieces are really valuable. PICK ONE

     

     



    R9R, please man, NO MELTDOWNS. Rajon is gona be toast just lke we said last winter. You've had a long time to digest the thought. Now, deep breathes. Think whats best for the C's and not what we should get for YOUR favorite player. We will never get anywhere trying to address that kind of rant. DA has got it covered. Take what we say here as spectulation, not anything that DA is gonna do. Cool? Think Celtic fan first.

     

     
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    TRADE HIM TO DALLAS NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...ASAP...DON"T WAIT< NOW< NOW< NOW< NOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

    This is a gift from the basketball gods.....



    AMEN!

     
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    TRADE HIM TO DALLAS NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...ASAP...DON"T WAIT< NOW< NOW< NOW< NOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

    This is a gift from the basketball gods.....

     



    AMEN!

     

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    For what?  What? WHAT?? WHAT??????  WHAT?????????

     
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    TRADE HIM TO DALLAS NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...ASAP...DON"T WAIT< NOW< NOW< NOW< NOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

    This is a gift from the basketball gods.....

     

     

     



    AMEN!

     

     

     

     

     




    For what?  What? WHAT?? WHAT??????  WHAT?????????

     

    How about addition by subtraction. Thats what. He is devisive and is rehabbing an ACL. DA will get whatever he can max out at and then pulll the trigger.

     




     

     
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    If he is traded it will be at the midseason or next.  Danny, will only do it for a serious haul.  

     

    "I would say Rondo is the best all-around point guard we have in the league.” -Magic Johnson

    "That kid, is unbelievable." -Larry Bird On Rajon Rondo.

    "“He is the whole package” - Bob Cousey on Rondo

     

     
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    JTKL, good to see you're coming to your senses! At least your not PROMISING that Rondo won't be traded now. COOL!

     
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    The Celtics don't even have a backup point guard, why would they trade the only one on the roster unless they get a bona fide point as part of the return?  Maybe the Mavs alen't in this alone.  Mayo isn't the answer.  

    This (team) is going to be depressing for quite a while.  

     

     

     

    "They don't put Ws and Ls on the paychecks" - Sidney Wicks

     
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    that article brings up some fair points. Its not that Rondo is untradeable, its just that you have to get a serious haul for him. You dont trade him for Kemba Walker. You dont trade him for Derrick Favors. You dont trade him for a 1st round pick in 2016. His value will be highest midseason or end of this season, IF DA is gunna trade him it has to be then, and he has to try to get a huge haul similar to Melo or a bunch of picks we can package to move up to top 5 in the 2014 draft. Wiggins OR Parker.

     
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    Are you kidding me? You found an opinion piece that agrees with your Rondo stance? That article has no facts, statistics, measurements, or new ideas. It conveniently leaves out the fact that Rondo was leading in FG% before the injury. 

     

    Rondo may be dealt, but you all are dead wrong thinking we can just find another conerstone pointguard just like that.

     

    You hate every move that Danny makes, you hate our assets, but you think that we can just magically "rebuild" in a season and even more magically draft Duncan, Jordan and Shaq and then be a winning franchise forever.

     

    Seriously, do you really think there is something about the Celtic green that we can out compete the entire league like that? Its either, we are normal / suck, Danny is a genius, or our pieces are really valuable. PICK ONE

     

     



    Not sure who you are talking to, but I LOVED Danny's NJ trade.

     

    and as far as Rondo stats?  You want more stats?  Google Holliger PER rating for PGs.  Whether you think that the rating analysis system is flawed or not, you will see the ranking is pretty accurate based on the different criteria.  

    Rondo ranks #13 among PGs.  He would be MUCH lower if it weren't for his assist and rebound proficiency.  

    Rondo ranks 40th of all PGs in TS% (true shooting percentage).  that means most backup PGs are better.  They count 3 point%, free throw % as well as fould shots, meaning EVERY shot. Even with Rondo's excessive layups, he still ranks near last!!

    but balance the assists with the turnovers.  

    Rondo ranks 49th of 50 in most turnovers per posession.  worst turnover ratio by far versus every other PG starter. 

    Rondo is 30th out of all 50 PGs in VA at 5  (value added - season wins over a replacement). For comparison Westbook and Paul have 18. 

    31st of 50 in VA  (points added over a replacement)

    I could care less about Rondo's rebounding. He gets more than most PGs because he drives to the basket more, because he can't shoot, so he is already underneath.  Its also the reason why the Celtics rank near last in fast breaks allowed.  Because he can't get back to defend.  I want my PG to take care of the ball and shoot, not get rebounds.  

    The only thing I like about Rondo is that he is a proficient passer, despite his high turnover rate.    

     
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    If real, I would trade Rondo for Mayo and Larkin, or preferably, Mayo and 2014 first round pick.    

    We will finish near last next year, with or without Rondo anyway.  May as well dump the petulent one while someone wants him and not risk another injury or character issue during the season.  

     
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    <br/ Cousins and Sacramento could still come out with a good package including Rondo.  They would be a top team to try to deal with.

     
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    TRADE HIM TO DALLAS NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...ASAP...DON"T WAIT< NOW< NOW< NOW< NOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

    This is a gift from the basketball gods.....



    totally agree!  done with rondo....tank season nxt year and get a top 3 pick or hopefully top 1

     

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