Toineson's Top 20 Remaining FA's

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    [QUOTE]you know, if twon really got into shape, he'd be best off to go to europe and play for the next 7 or 8 years.  michael ray richardson is possibly still playing over there and played until at least the age of 45.  it'd be more money for twon and he'd probably keep himself out of trouble a lot better in a strange land.
    Posted by aciemvp[/QUOTE]

    You're right, eventually it would probably have to come to that but I would prefer for the overseas stuff to happen in 2 years when he's 36.  I'd like to see him have 2 more years in the NBA  so that he can accomplish his comeback goal.  This would also give him a proper ending to his NBA career instead of the pitiful Minnesota/Memphis ending.   
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Toineson's Top 20 Remaining FA's : Heh, I think it was Mem17 or someone who called me out on that in another thread.  But remember... 1).  The Oct 2009 Boston Globe story detailing Antoine's money problems was longer.  So, naturally, I think it's fair that some pro-Antoine talk of similar length is out there. The negative spin on everything Antoine-related usually is talked up so much that it's impossible to get equal time.  But thank you for pointing out the length heh, you are fantastic at stating the obvious my friend.  2).  A lot of you knock Antoine for his shot selection.... Am I wrong about Jim O'Brien's influence on the large quantity of 3 point attempts?  Are Danny Granger and Troy Murphy the same type of "molded knuckleheads" as Antoine?   Just looking for some consistency here folks. 
    Posted by toineson[/QUOTE]

    As I told you before, the shooting threes is an excuse ... how could an avid baller fan not recognize that the C's game plan in those days was The Three. All they did was reverse the ball until they found an open man or a seam ... you're wasting your time with guys who can't see the forest for the trees.
     
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    PP/AW Stats:

    Year  Team Gms Mins  FG%  FT% 3P%  RPG  APG SPG BPG  PPG
    99-00 BOS 73   35.4  44.2  79.8  34.3  5.4   3.0  2.1  0.9  19.6
    00-01 BOS 82   38.0  45.4  74.5  38.3  6.4   3.1  1.7  0.8  25.3
    01-02 BOS 82   40.3  44.2  80.9  40.4  6.9   3.2  1.9  1.1  26.1
    02-03 BOS 79   39.2  41.6  80.2  30.2  7.3   4.4  1.8  0.8  25.9
    03-04 BOS 80   38.7  40.2  81.9  29.9  6.5   5.1  1.6  0.7  22.9 < AW Gone

    %FT%3PT%RPGAPGSPGBPGPPG
    96-97 BOS 82   36.2  42.6  63.1  32.7  9.0   3.2  1.3  0.7  17.5
    97-98 BOS 82   39.9  42.6  64.5  31.2 10.2  3.3  1.7  0.7  22.4
    99-00 BOS 82   36.6  43.0  69.9  25.6  8.0   3.7  1.4  0.4  20.5 < PP Arrives
    00-01 BOS 81   41.9  41.3  71.5  36.6  8.9   5.5  1.7  0.6  23.4
    01-02 BOS 81   42.0  39.4  74.1  34.4  8.8   5.0  1.5  0.5  22.1
    02-03 BOS 78   41.5  38.8  61.5  32.3  7.2   4.8  1.5  0.4  20.1

    Toine avg'd about 32-33% on 3 pointers five of six yrs here with the one
    outlier being the year PP arrived. During the five years they played together PP only shot the three exceedingly better than AW for two of those years with an overall avg of 34.5%. AW was clearly the better rebounder while PP was clearly the better FT shooter. Their overall FG% was about 40% for AW and about 43% for PPPP avg'd 24 PPG and AW 20 PPG ...

    These numbers are very close to each other for the early years of their careers. There just isn't a huge difference in their stats - 2% on threes and 3% overall! Why a fan would castigate Walker for his play as compared to Pierce over the time they played together is just unjustified and speaks to an ignorance of the facts or other underlying reasons.
     
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    Toine played a style that would often lead to triple-doubles. It's hard not to like that. Easy to see how Pat Riley would like that...a poor man's Magic Johnson. But he did send up too many ill-advised 3's (even if Jim O'Brien told him to do that :-). Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing him take Scalabrine's spot at short money. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Toine played a style that would often lead to triple-doubles. It's hard not to like that. Easy to see how Pat Riley would like that...a poor man's Magic Johnson. But he did send up too many ill-advised 3's (even if Jim O'Brien told him to do that :-). Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing him take Scalabrine's spot at short money. 
    Posted by mbrann[/QUOTE]

    OB took over for Pitino in 2000-2001 season thru 2004. Coincidently that's the first year Antoine exceeded 300 attempts - here are the # of 3 pt attempts by Toine each year until he was traded:

    96-97' />> 159
    97-98' />> 292
    99-00' />> 285
    00-01' >> 603
    01-02' >> 645
    02-03' />> 582


    In DAL for 03-04' he attempted 305
    In ATL for 04-05' he attempted 268
    In BOS for 04-05' he attempted  73
    In MIA for 05-06' he attempted 383
    In MIA for 06-07' he attempted 305
    In MIN for 07-08' he attempted 188 (48 games)

    The stats prove that Toine was only an egregious 3 Pt shooter under O'Brien so I call BS on all the posters that conveniently insinuate that AW tosses up threes at will. Just the facts ... now disprove the facts!

     

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