Toronto Division Champs

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    Right now the Raptors are the #1 team in the Atlantic Division.

    Ever since the Raps traded Rudy Gay, the Raps have become a better team.

    So if this trend continues, the Celts need not worry about making the playoffs because they're division champs.

     

    Also, the Celts can end up with 2 lottery picks in 2014 if the Celts, Nets, and Hawks miss the playoffs.

    For that to happen, 2 teams worse than the Celtics, in the standings, must step up and overtake the Celtics and Hawks.

    Right now the Bulls, Knicks, Magic, and Cavs are still very much in the hunt for a playoff spot.

    So it's not too far-fetched expecting the Celts to end up with 2 lottery picks this year.

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    YEAAA...that means the dream can continue

     
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    The Raptors got better by trading a 'star' player, clearly the best player in the deal, for lesser role players and salary cap space??

    Huh... who would have thought that possible.

    I mean, how can anyone DARE argue that a deal that doesn't include equally skilled player for player swaps be considered fair?

    How can anyone say a team may lose only a 'little' overall when it's best or 2nd best player is traded for solid role players that fit a system better.

    Hahahaha

     
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    Go Raptors! 

    They have a clear shot at the Atlantic division. 

    "Also, the Celts can end up with 2 lottery picks in 2014 if the Celts, Nets, and Hawks miss the playoffs."For that to happen, 2 teams worse than the Celtics, in the standings, must step up and overtake the Celtics and Hawks."

    Yup - though the Hawks are still a pretty good team. They need another season ending injury. :) I just don't see how they can get into the lottery. The Nets might well stay there.....but the Hawks still have quite a bit of talent.

    "Right now the Bulls, Knicks, Magic, and Cavs are still very much in the hunt for a playoff spot.So it's not too far-fetched expecting the Celts to end up with 2 lottery picks this year."

     

    It's not out of the question but I think Atlanta is not going to be in the lottery. Which is why it's so important the Celts get their own pick. The problem with your list above is that it still comes down to the Knicks or the Raptors beating us for the division. That makes me pretty nervous, those teams stink. We will have our work cut out for us getting our own lottery pick, much less getting another. I like your optimism though. :) 

     
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4709510/five-bold-predictions-for-2014

    1. Rondo returns in late January, C's stay in hunt for Atlantic Division title: Rajon Rondo returned to full-contact activities earlier this month and is ramping up toward game action. While he's been coy on a possible return date and even hinted recently it might not be until February, here's guessing he jumps back into the fray next month (maybe, say, that Jan. 26 visit from the Brooklyn Nets?) and his infusion ought to help an inconsistent Boston squad stay in the mix in the Atlantic Division (especially with all the injuries and struggles of their division rivals).

    Comment: It's been reported that Rondo could also spend time in Me while the team is on it's west coast trip so he can get some playing time while they are gone

    2. Sully gets a trip to New Orleans


    3. The Celtics make the second round of the playoffs: It's hard to forecast how this season will play out in December and there's always the chance that Boston stumbles a bit (like it's done lately) and sets its sights on the lottery instead. But let's assume Boston finds a way to win the Atlantic Division (and maybe beefs up the roster at the trade deadline; resuming that Omer Asik pursuit?). Does anyone other than the top 2 seeds in the East scare you? They shouldn't and Boston could find a way to win a first-round series against another middle seed.

    4. Stevens finishes in top 3 for Coach of the Year: If the Celtics make the playoffs, Stevens is a lock for one of the top spots in an award that often goes to the coach of the team that overachieves most during the season.

    5. Boston beefs up the roster this offseason: The Celtics have enough assets to add some impact talent this summer. Start with two first-round draft picks (their own and likely Atlanta's via Brooklyn), then add the $10.3 million trade exception from the Nets trade, and the typical midlevel/biannual options. Also consider that Keith Bogans' $5.3 million salary is nonguaranteed next year, so the team could either waive him for financial flexibility or trade his deal and get a proven player of similar value in return.

     
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    Mployee those predictions could definitely happen. The Celts are still divided between lottery and playoff bound in a sorry conference. 

    I do believe Ainge will make a decision before the trade deadline whether to improve the team further or attempt to head closer to the lottery by trading experience for young talent or expiring deals. 

    So, in theory the Celts could definitely advance to the second round, especially if Ainge chooses to strengthen them further in trades. 

    I prefer the lottery but I don't have a problem with either direction as long as Ainge makes a choice. And as long as folks realize that the second round of the playoffs isn't such a big accomplishment in such a sorry conference. The bigger concern is the huge gap between us and the Heat/Pacers, which I believe can only be bridged by lottery-caliber talent.

     
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    Mployee those predictions could definitely happen. The Celts are still divided between lottery and playoff bound in a sorry conference. 

    I do believe Ainge will make a decision before the trade deadline whether to improve the team further or attempt to head closer to the lottery by trading experience for young talent or expiring deals. 

    So, in theory the Celts could definitely advance to the second round, especially if Ainge chooses to strengthen them further in trades. 

    I prefer the lottery but I don't have a problem with either direction as long as Ainge makes a choice. And as long as folks realize that the second round of the playoffs isn't such a big accomplishment in such a sorry conference. The bigger concern is the huge gap between us and the Heat/Pacers, which I believe can only be bridged by lottery-caliber talent.




    I don't think Danny cares about "Playoffs?" and neither do I ... But I do think that given a chance to get Asik or another Center and/or SG that could improve this team is the deciding factor on which way he goes. And like you, I'm fine with whatever he does cause in any event he's gonna do what's best for the team anyway.

     
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    Mployee those predictions could definitely happen. The Celts are still divided between lottery and playoff bound in a sorry conference. 

    I do believe Ainge will make a decision before the trade deadline whether to improve the team further or attempt to head closer to the lottery by trading experience for young talent or expiring deals. 

    So, in theory the Celts could definitely advance to the second round, especially if Ainge chooses to strengthen them further in trades. 

    I prefer the lottery but I don't have a problem with either direction as long as Ainge makes a choice. And as long as folks realize that the second round of the playoffs isn't such a big accomplishment in such a sorry conference. The bigger concern is the huge gap between us and the Heat/Pacers, which I believe can only be bridged by lottery-caliber talent.

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    A lottery caliber talent takes 3-4 years to contribute,most of them nver reach their potential.

     

     
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    The best way for this team to get better is for DA to have multiple chances via the draft to bring in guys who are very good to great players.  (I am assuming the C's won't have  a chance at a Parker or Wiggins but could find a good player in the draft later than 1-2.) 

    I still think the right thing to do is for DA to trade out before the deadline and bring back as many future chips as possible - picks, young players, etc.  I look at a team like the Pacers and think that the Celtics can be a team like that in 3-4 years with a decent (not elite) FA pickup like West and a top five pick that could land a guy like George.  If they could land a guy like Asik, thinking big picture, this team could be pretty good if Danny can find some talent to add around Bradley, Rondo, Sullinger, etc.  Easier said than done I realise.

     

     
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    Fierce started this thread saying that since trading Rudy Gay the raptors have become a better team.

    That must mean he think Rudy Gay for John Salmons is a fair swap. Right Fierce?

    I don't.

    But that is the kind of stalking mentally ill garbage the clown would be bringing if I talked about the Raptors deal being 'fair' value for Rudy Gay. Hypocrite? Of course he is.

    I mean there were FIVE other players in that deal between Toronto and Sacramento... and it was almost entirely a money clearing move for Toronto. But when it comes to the Indy/Boston proposal I said you could argue was 'fair' Fierce could only see it as 'Hill for Rondo'? Hahaha... I know, pretty dumb.

    So after unloading easily the best player in the deal, the Raptors ripped off a bunch of wins right after that trade. They are BETTER without Gay. Rudy Gay is the Rajon Rondo of SF's. A poor shooting long and lean freak athlete with multiple other talents who no team is going anywhere with if he is their first or second best player.

    And I can't argue that moving Rondo to get slightly WORSE (not better like Tonronto did) so we have a better lotto pick... while saving 27 million and getting two future first rd picks is 'fair'

    Ha! Fierce sure lost that argument. His posts on the similar deals other teams make is just more ammunition in my pocket:-)

     
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    Mployee those predictions could definitely happen. The Celts are still divided between lottery and playoff bound in a sorry conference. 

    I do believe Ainge will make a decision before the trade deadline whether to improve the team further or attempt to head closer to the lottery by trading experience for young talent or expiring deals. 

    So, in theory the Celts could definitely advance to the second round, especially if Ainge chooses to strengthen them further in trades. 

    I prefer the lottery but I don't have a problem with either direction as long as Ainge makes a choice. And as long as folks realize that the second round of the playoffs isn't such a big accomplishment in such a sorry conference. The bigger concern is the huge gap between us and the Heat/Pacers, which I believe can only be bridged by lottery-caliber talent.

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    A lottery caliber talent takes 3-4 years to contribute,most of them nver reach their potential.

     

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    Exactly tho this draft will have some quality talent both NBA ready and those needing years to develop as you indicated. That's why I'm in favor of trading up when/where possible (Asik etc) and using the 2014 picks we end up with and roster players to move up in the draft if able to get that one player that can make a difference in 3 years or sooner. With the expiring contracts and TPE, Danny will be able to add 1-2 key players this spring/summer as well. I'm not in favor of dumping everyone as I think the way to win under the new CBA is with a deeper bench and one or two star players with flexible contracts (meaning 2-3 yrs except for the 1-2 stars that can have 4-5 year deals). The ability to sustain a high tempo offense & defense the entire game will win out over a team with 2-4 stars and a weak bench. Going forward, a team needs to have the ability to acquire potential star to elite players as they become available at the expense of our competition and having 2-3 year contracts will provide that flexibility. JMO

     
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    While I would prefer to see Boston get a top 7 pick.... the second round of the playoffs with a healthy Rondo is fun to think about as well.

    While I think those who feel we will get a top 7 pick for Rondo the way Philly did for Holiday are fooling themselves... I could see Danny doing some sort of 3-way trade or move at the draft of either our pick or the Nets/Hawks in the teens with Rondo for pick 4-5 that would be needed for Marcus Smart. Ainge loves smart and the freedom from RR's salary would allow us to afford a Smart-Crawford-Bradley-Lee backcourt for Marcus's entire rookie deal. Can't sign Crawford if Rondo is here.

    A pick in the 6-8 range should land one of Zack LaVine or Dante Exum if Ainge wants to go even younger/more developing needed than Smart or simply can't get into the 4-5 range.

     

     
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    While I would prefer to see Boston get a top 7 pick.... the second round of the playoffs with a healthy Rondo is fun to think about as well.

    While I think those who feel we will get a top 7 pick for Rondo the way Philly did for Holiday are fooling themselves... I could see Danny doing some sort of 3-way trade or move at the draft of either our pick or the Nets/Hawks in the teens with Rondo for pick 4-5 that would be needed for Marcus Smart. Ainge loves smart and the freedom from RR's salary would allow us to afford a Smart-Crawford-Bradley-Lee backcourt for Marcus's entire rookie deal. Can't sign Crawford if Rondo is here.

    A pick in the 6-8 range should land one of Zack LaVine or Dante Exum if Ainge wants to go even younger/more developing needed than Smart or simply can't get into the 4-5 range.

     

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    Agreed but if able to upgrade talent by the trade deadline with an Asik or Sanders type player he must go with the sure thing over the uncertainty of our draft position in the future.

     
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    Agreed but if able to upgrade talent by the trade deadline with an Asik or Sanders type player he must go with the sure thing over the uncertainty of our draft position in the future.

     



    There you go again.

     

    Didn't you say you didn't predict Larry Sanders to the Celtics?

    So why are you speculating that Ainge will upgrade talent at the trade deadline by getting Sanders or Asik?

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    Just a thought here but maybe Ainge knows that adding Asik will make the C's more competitive and he is waiting as long as he can to make the move. A trip out West should bring many losses and put put the C's in better Lottery position before he "has" to make the move. I am sure as much as Kevin has done for us in the past, he still has some of his heart in Boston and would not mind assisting us once again. Thoughts?

     
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    All that means nothing ... Bottom line is there is no reason to believe Danny is not still interested in Asik. Speculating that Danny might still make a move for a center is not "predicting" anything. If Ainge gets Okafor then point made. Doesn't really matter who he gets, though he's had interest in Asik twice now, so it stands to reason that he sees Asik as a building block or a means to an end. If he gets Sanders instead of Asik or Okafor intead of either or someone else it doesn't mean that that I/we/others were wrong about Danny going after a center just because the name is wrong ... Get it?  The bottom line is that pursuing and eventually getting a vet center will speak volumes about the process. So it's too early to pull the plug on anything since we don't yet know what avenue he will take ...

    Rame makes a valid point with Toronto. By trading a star player for a deeper bench, though some see it as not being equal value, the bottom line there is the coach can better utilize his roster and it's now much deeper making the team more successful as a result. Kinda like my deeper maybe better in the new NBA than your concept of needing 2-3 superstars to win in the old NBA.

     
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    Where's the post that I said Rudy Gay for John Salmons is fair?

     

    Right from the start you already lost this argument because I never said Salmons for Gay is fair.

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    Oh we are having an argument now??

    I simply asked if you thought Gay for Salmons was fair. Based on the idiotic logic you used in attacking/stalking me over Rondo/Hill I thought you may have felt that was a fair swap of players? I take it you do not? But you liked that trade for Toronto. Why?

    You are on the record as saying 27 million in savings and TWO first round picks would not be as big a trade piece as George Hill then you must also feel that the 15 million the Raptors save next year is not as big as John Salmons, the guy playing Gay's position like Hill plays Rondo's.

    Right Fierce?

    We weren't having an 'argument' over this... but if you want to, I am open to debating with you the merits of draft picks, $ savings and cap space when it comes to trades. Since you apparently don't recognize them as possibly being the main pieces coming back to a team

    I win that debate every time.

    I am also open to debating why you are such a hypocrite. Why do you think the Raptors trade of Gay for role players and major $ savings could be considered 'fair'  but a Celtic trade of Rondo to Indy for role players, cash savings AND draft picks cannot be considered fair.

    How do you justify your flip-flopping and ignorance?

     
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