Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from runrunandrun. Show runrunandrun's posts

    Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    Year after year the Western teams beat the Eastern teams.Last year 10 Western teams won 50+ games, only 5 Eastern teams won 50+.


    Also the West won 58% of the games against the weak Eastern conference.

    Danny finally saw the light and drafted a token international player.

    Facts don't lie.

    Run
     
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    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    Facts don't lie?

    Could you perhaps post some numbers of all the international players in each conference to back up the the comment "Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams"?
     
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    In Response to Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.:
    [QUOTE]I just had to check and confirm that Old School posted that thread. With all due respect (none?) I would love to slap him. European=WHITE in the eyes of Old School. (don't give me that 'Tony Parker is French' baloney either.)
    Posted by Schleprechaun[/QUOTE]

    Oh dear.
     
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    I really admire the Spurs though. They've done a fantastic job considering they're one of the smaller markets in the league. Smart organisation and very well run.

     
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    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    The west easily is more difficult than the east. They have won more championships by far since 2000, OKC who finished 8th last season had over 50 wins but the east 8th seed would have been lucky to have been over .500.
     
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    In Response to Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.:
    [QUOTE]the racist coward strikes again, his drivel doesn't deserve comment Nash and Dirk are pretty massive busts at getting rings The East has always been the tough league and the west the soft one that plays faster high scoring ball but needs a top 3 player at the time to win a title Only West teams with a Kobe, Shaq or or Duncan have won a ring East teams have TEAMS with the 08 Celtics and 04 Pistons leading balanced attacks while not having one top 3 player clearly superior to his teammates with just one all-star sidekick to win I prefer the East ball, except of course LeBron's Cavs/Heat, over the boring Duncan Spurs and the llama gift-wrapped heist trade to get kobe a sidekick Fakers Comnments by run are pathetic
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]
     
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    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    Why is Obama considered black?  Well, can you imagine the reaction if he said he was white?  In the USA, for better or worse, people with obvious African features have been thought of as black.

    And I do not consider Tim Duncan an overseas player.  To me the term means those players who developed outside the US system before coming to the NBA. Duncan played four years at Wake Forest.


    As for Duncan being "half-white," I have no idea.  But then who cares?

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from runrunandrun. Show runrunandrun's posts

    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    In Response to Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.:
    [QUOTE]Why is Obama considered black?  Well, can you imagine the reaction if he said he was white?  In the USA, for better or worse, people with obvious African features have been thought of as black. And I do not consider Tim Duncan an overseas player.  To me the term means those players who developed outside the US system before coming to the NBA. Duncan played four years at Wake Forest. As for Duncan being "half-white," I have no idea.  But then who cares?
    Posted by paulliu[/QUOTE]

    As the melting pot boils alll Americans someday will be part white part black part hispanic and part whatever? Maybe then we can all live in peace.

    Happy Turkey Day
    Run
     
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    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    There are only two more international players in the Western Conference than in the Eastern Conference. Somehow I doubt that makes the difference.

    Eastern Conference International Players:

    1. Carlos Delfino, Milwaukee Bucks, Argentina.
    2. Andres Nocioni, Philadelphia 76ers, Argentina.
    3. David Andersen, Toronto Raptors, Australia.
    4. Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee Bucks, Australia.
    5. Leandro Barbosa, Toronto Raptors, Brazil.
    6. Anderson Varejao, Cleveland Cavaliers, Brazil.
    7. Luc Mbah A Moute, Milwaukee Bucks, Cameroon.
    8. Joel Anthony, Miami Heat, Canada.
    9. Jamal Magliore, Miami Heat, Canada.
    10. Yi Jianlin, Washington Wizards, China.
    11. Christian Eeyenga, Cleveland Cavaliers, Congo.
    12. Al Horford, Atlanta Hawks, Dominican Republic.
    13. Boris Diaw, Charlotte Bobcats, France.
    14. Johan Petro, New Jersey Nets, France.
    15. Mickael Pietrus, Orlando Magic, France.
    16. Kevin Seraphin, Washington Wizards, France.
    17. Pape Sy, Atlanta Hawks, France.
    18. Ronny Turiaf, New York Knicks, France.
    19. Zaza Pachulia, Atlanta Hawks, Georgia.
    20. Kelenna Azubuike, New York Knicks, Great Britain.
    21. Luol Deng, Chicago Bulls, Great Britain.
    22. Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors, Italy.
    23. Danilo Gallinari, New York Knicks, Italy.
    24. Samardo Samuels, Cleveland Cavaliers, Jamaica.
    25. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Miami Heat, Lithuania.
    26. Linas Kleiza, Toronto Raptors, Lithuania.
    27. Darius Songaila, Philadelphia 76ers, Lithuania.
    28. Eduardo Najera, Charlotte Bobcats, Mexico.
    29. Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors, Nigeria.
    30. Marcin Gortat, Orlando Magic, Poland.
    31. Timofey Mozgov, New York Knicks, Russia.
    32. DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats, Senegal.
    33. Hamady N'Diaye, Washington Wizards, Senegal.
    34. Predrag Stojakovic, Toronto Raptors, Serbia.
    35. Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors, Spain.
    36. Jonas Jerebko, Detroit Pistons, Sweden.
    37. Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls, Turkey.
    38. Semih Erden, Boston Celtics, Turkey.
    39. Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee Bucks, Turkey.

    Western Conference International Players:

    1. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs, Argentina.
    2. Luis Scola, Houston Rockets, Argentina.
    3. Patrick Mills, Portland Trailblazers, Australia.
    4. DJ-Ilunga Mbenga, New Orleans Hornets, Belgium.
    5. Nene Hilario, Denver Nuggets, Brazil.
    6. Tiago Splitter, San Antonio Spurs, Brazil.
    7. Samuel Dalembert, Sacramento Kings, Canada.
    8. Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns, Canada.
    9. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets, China.
    10. Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City Thunder, Congo.
    11. Francisco Garcia, Sacramento Kings, Dominican Republic.
    12. Alexis Ajinca, Dallas Mavericks, France.
    13. Rodrigue Beaubois, Dallas Mavericks, France.
    14. Nicolas Batum, Portland Trailblazers, France.
    15. Ian Mahinmi, Dallas Mavericks, France.
    16. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs, France.
    17. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks, Germany.
    18. Pops Mensah Bonsu, New Orleans Hornets, Great Britain.
    19. Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies, Iran.
    20. Omri Casspi, Sacramento Kings, Israel.
    21. Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets, Italy.
    22. Andris Bierdrins, Golden State Warriors, Latvia.
    23. Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota Timberwolves, Montenegro.
    24. Francisco Elson, Utah Jazz, Netherlands.
    25. Dan Gadzuric, Golden State Warriors, Netherlands.
    26. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz, Russia.
    27. Nenad Krstic, Oklahoma City Thunder, Serbia.
    28. Darko Milicic, Minnesota Timberwolves, Serbia.
    29. Vladimir Radmonivic, Golden State Warriors, Serbia.
    30. Goran Dragic, Phoenix Suns, Slovenia.
    31. Beno Udrih, Sacramento Kings, Slovenia.
    32. Sasha Vujavic, Los Angeles Lakers, Slovenia.
    33. Rudy Fernandez, Portland Trailblazers, Spain.
    34. Marc Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies, Spain.
    35. Pau Gasol, Los Angeles Lakers, Spain.
    36. Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City Thunder, Switzerland.
    37. Hasheem Thabeet, Memphis Grizzlies, Tanzania.
    38. Mehmet Okur, Utah Jazz, Turkey.
    39. Hidayet Turkoglu, Phoenix Suns, Turkey.
    40. Kyrylo Fesenko, Utah Jazz, Ukraine.
    41. Greivis Vasquez, Memphis Grizzlies, Venezuela.

    http://www.nba.com/news/2010-11-international-players/index.html
     
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    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    I think he's only counting the European and South American players David.

    It's a pointless discussion. Although Run may well have a good point. He said that that the West was best because of the Foreign players.

    Well back in the early nineties. Most of the Foreign players played in the East, except for Vlade Divac, I think Golden State may have had one foreign player as well Marčiulionis? But Dražen Petrović (via Portland to Jersey, who may well have been the best European player ever), Alexander Volkov (he was a game changer by the looks of things), Dino Rađa, Kukoč, the Dunkin' Dutchman Smitts, Detlef Schempf (who went to Seattle) all played in the East.

    Only other significant foreign player who played in the West was
    Arvydas Sabonis, who probably arrived too late to really help Portland. They could have really used him for their 1990 and 1992 finals runs.
     
    But, I do believe during the first European invasion of the NBA, the East was the better conference. Surely it wasn't because the best player in the game at the time, Michael Jordan was playing in the East? Along with the Pistons who opened the decade as the most dominant team in the league?

    I didn't count Hakeem because he played for the United States in the 1996 Olympics. 


     
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    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    Doesnt really matter which conference is best when the Lakers got the refs in their hip pockets. Tainted, just like 2002

     
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    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    This is an odd thread. 

    For the sake of argument, what was the head to head record of East vs. West teams last year?  I'm willing to bet it's pretty much 50/50.

    It's also not an easy stat to find or track.
     
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    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    "There are only two more international players in the Western Conference than in the Eastern Conference. Somehow I doubt that makes the difference."

    Please don't confuse runrunrun with the facts, he is not interested in facts, he's interested in making prejudiced, racially tinged statements that reflect no realities except the warped ones in his head. 

    p.s. runrunrun - Celts are better than every team in the west except possibly the Lakers. Yes, your thuggish Celtics. Cheer for them like the rest of us do, it won't hurt.
     
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    Re: Western Teams Better because more International players play for Western Teams.

    If we only look at white European and South American players, it's still close, with the West only having a 4-man advantage. If you include Turkey as European white (the Istanbul part of the country is in Europe, the rest of it in Asia), then it's only a 3-man advantage for the West.

    Eastern Conference Europeans and South Americans:

    1. Carlos Delfino, Milwaukee Bucks, Argentina.
    2. Andres Nocioni, Philadelphia 76ers, Argentina.
    3. David Andersen, Toronto Raptors, Australia.
    4. Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee Bucks, Australia.
    5. Zaza Pachulia, Atlanta Hawks, Georgia.
    6. Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors, Italy.
    7. Danilo Gallinari, New York Knicks, Italy.
    8. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Miami Heat, Lithuania.
    9. Linas Kleiza, Toronto Raptors, Lithuania.
    10. Darius Songaila, Philadelphia 76ers, Lithuania.
    11. Marcin Gortat, Orlando Magic, Poland.
    12. Timofey Mozgov, New York Knicks, Russia.
    13. Predrag Stojakovic, Toronto Raptors, Serbia.
    14. Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors, Spain.
    15. Jonas Jerebko, Detroit Pistons, Sweden.

    Western Conference white Europeans and South Americans:

    1. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs, Argentina.
    2. Luis Scola, Houston Rockets, Argentina.
    3. Greivis Vasquez, Memphis Grizzlies, Venezuela.
    4. Tiago Splitter, San Antonio Spurs, Brazil.
    5. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks, Germany.
    6. Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets, Italy.
    7. Andris Bierdrins, Golden State Warriors, Latvia.
    8. Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota Timberwolves, Montenegro.
    9. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz, Russia.
    10. Nenad Krstic, Oklahoma City Thunder, Serbia.
    11. Darko Milicic, Minnesota Timberwolves, Serbia.
    12. Vladimir Radmonivic, Golden State Warriors, Serbia.
    13. Goran Dragic, Phoenix Suns, Slovenia.
    14. Beno Udrih, Sacramento Kings, Slovenia.
    15. Sasha Vujavic, Los Angeles Lakers, Slovenia.
    16. Rudy Fernandez, Portland Trailblazers, Spain.
    17. Marc Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies, Spain.
    18. Pau Gasol, Los Angeles Lakers, Spain.
    19. Kyrylo Fesenko, Utah Jazz, Ukraine.
     

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