What is wrong with Rondo?

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    What is wrong with Rondo?

    Nothing, you fools!

    I don't understand the argument that because Rondo doesn't exhibit lock-down defense like bradley on every possession for every game, he can't remain on our team as our starting PG. Foolish!

    Someone made the point that teams don't win championships with elite PGs as their best player. So:

    Q: Why does Rondo have to be our best player??

    A: Because we've invested so much in him and given him a max contract. FALSE.

     

    Q: Why should we trade Rondo this season?

    A: Because there are so many PGs out there that can do what Rondo does on smaller contracts and who can mesh better with our current team instantly. FALSE

     

    Q: Why isn't Rondo more dominant on both ends of the court for EVERY regular season game?

    A: Because he chooses not to, even though it is so easy, I mean look at Lebron. He does it and he's just the so-called "best player in the world", so Rondo should too. FALSE

     

    Guys,

    The kid is our on-the-floor coach, runs the offense. He's an annual league assist leader. He can get to the basket with ease. He can apply situational pressure on defense. He gets steals. He can lead a charge in transition. He has high situational BBIQ. Great ball handler. Great vision, and creativity with his passing. Mid-range shooting is improving. He can knock down the 3pt shot. He has a modest, long-term contract. Our teamates like him. Our coach loves him. Our GM loves him.

     

    AND

     

    The most important aspect of Rondo = HE TURNS IT ON IN THE PLAYOFFS

     

     
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    Re: What is wrong with Rondo?

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    Nothing, you fools!

    I don't understand the argument that because Rondo doesn't exhibit lock-down defense like bradley on every possession for every game, he can't remain on our team as our starting PG. Foolish!

    Someone made the point that teams don't win championships with elite PGs as their best player. So:

    Q: Why does Rondo have to be our best player??

    A: Because we've invested so much in him and given him a max contract. FALSE.

     

    Q: Why should we trade Rondo this season?

    A: Because there are so many PGs out there that can do what Rondo does on smaller contracts and who can mesh better with our current team instantly. FALSE

     

    Q: Why isn't Rondo more dominant on both ends of the court for EVERY regular season game?

    A: Because he chooses not to, even though it is so easy, I mean look at Lebron. He does it and he's just the so-called "best player in the world", so Rondo should too. FALSE

     

    Guys,

    The kid is our on-the-floor coach, runs the offense. He's an annual league assist leader. He can get to the basket with ease. He can apply situational pressure on defense. He gets steals. He can lead a charge in transition. He has high situational BBIQ. Great ball handler. Great vision, and creativity with his passing. Mid-range shooting is improving. He can knock down the 3pt shot. He has a modest, long-term contract. Our teamates like him. Our coach loves him. Our GM loves him.

     

    AND

     

    The most important aspect of Rondo = HE TURNS IT ON IN THE PLAYOFFS

     

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    Love this post. With the trade silly season starting rumours involving Rondo in trade are beginning too. I hope to god it doesn't happen and don't think it will.

    The last time we did an in season trade that sent one of our starters to another team we dropped from a 1 seed to a 3 seed and after beating the Heat three times convincingly in the regular season we were booted by them rather easily in the second round. 

    It takes time to integrate new players and the point guard postion is harder to integrate than most. 

    We just won 4 straight. 3 on the road two back to backs against 3 of the 4 best teams in the East, AND we won them all by convincg margins. This team is starting to gel. I'd be very careful about disrupting that.  All we need is one more Solid big. 

     
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    Re: What is wrong with Rondo?

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    Nothing, you fools!

    I don't understand the argument that because Rondo doesn't exhibit lock-down defense like bradley on every possession for every game, he can't remain on our team as our starting PG. Foolish!

    Someone made the point that teams don't win championships with elite PGs as their best player. So:

    Q: Why does Rondo have to be our best player??

    A: Because we've invested so much in him and given him a max contract. FALSE.

     

    Q: Why should we trade Rondo this season?

    A: Because there are so many PGs out there that can do what Rondo does on smaller contracts and who can mesh better with our current team instantly. FALSE

     

    Q: Why isn't Rondo more dominant on both ends of the court for EVERY regular season game?

    A: Because he chooses not to, even though it is so easy, I mean look at Lebron. He does it and he's just the so-called "best player in the world", so Rondo should too. FALSE

     

    Guys,

    The kid is our on-the-floor coach, runs the offense. He's an annual league assist leader. He can get to the basket with ease. He can apply situational pressure on defense. He gets steals. He can lead a charge in transition. He has high situational BBIQ. Great ball handler. Great vision, and creativity with his passing. Mid-range shooting is improving. He can knock down the 3pt shot. He has a modest, long-term contract. Our teamates like him. Our coach loves him. Our GM loves him.

     

    AND

     

    The most important aspect of Rondo = HE TURNS IT ON IN THE PLAYOFFS

     

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    I agree with everything you said, except the following:

    1. It's all about Rondo. He is a head case. Since he broke the celtic assist record how many assists and points has he averaged since then? Please notice his last 4 games. And we won all four of them since Bradley came back.

    2. He wastes too much time(about 7 seconds) bringing the ball up the court and when there are seven seconds or so left on the time clock and he has the ball in his hands we rarely score. That leaves 10 seconds to score. No wonder we take less shots per game than most teams.

    3. He rarely plays defense.

    4. He runs the offense too much. He is very predictable.

    5. Basketball is a complete team oriented game, not a guard oriented team. He make his teamates depend on him too much. 

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    would you rather have someone that plays good in the regular season, then puts a decent performance on in the playoffs? or someone that plays good, very good at times during the regular season, and plays all-world, top 3 player in the league during the playoffs, which is when it REALLY matters? ill take the latter.

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    would you rather have someone that plays good in the regular season, then puts a decent performance on in the playoffs? or someone that plays good, very good at times during the regular season, and plays all-world, top 3 player in the league during the playoffs, which is when it REALLY matters? ill take the latter.

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    Amen. People forget, he was the biggest reason we beat Cleveland in 09 sending James to Miami. He is also the bigget reason we were a quarter away last year.

     
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    I honestly think all this talk about Rondo pounding the ball until about 5 seconds left is a myth.  maybe so when Allen was here, but not now.  Rondo gets the ball upcourt with plenty of time to get the set going most of the time.  He passes it to PP or KG and it swings around.  

    My only issue is when he notices PP and/or KG struggling that he doesn't asset himself more.  All the pounding the ball crap is just crap.  You have issues with the offensive sets then take that up with Doc and ultimately DA since he hired Doc.

     

     
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    I agree with everything you said, except the following:

    1. It's all about Rondo. He is a head case. Since he broke the celtic assist record how many assists and points has he averaged since then? Please notice his last 4 games. And we won all four of them since Bradley came back.

    He is not a headcase.

    2. He wastes too much time(about 7 seconds) bringing the ball up the court and when there are seven seconds or so left on the time clock and he has the ball in his hands we rarely score. That leaves 10 seconds to score. No wonder we take less shots per game than most teams.

    This (may) be by design. I heard Sullinger repeat Doc's mantra yesterday on WEEI of how good our record is when we keep opponents under 100 pts. Rondo brings it up slowly to eat time & to give a brief rest for our defensive stalwarts. When our defense works as designed (leading to a missed shot or TO) you rarely see Rondo walk it up because it is transition offense. Rondo walks it up after a failed defensive effort when it doesn't matter because the opposing defense is already set.

    Ok, you may rebute: "BUT Bradley is so effective because he eats up that 10-15 seconds off the shot clock and when that happens the opposing team's shooting percentages goes way down". TRUE, but thats the beauty of how our  team is constructed. We are a great jump shooting team, we have great shooters and a great facilitator. We can run short plays in 10 seconds and get a decent shot off. But, of course this doesn't ALWAYS happen.

    3. He rarely plays defense.

    TRUE. His defensive numbers have dropped this year. But we really shouldn't need our PG to exert himself dominantly on the defensive end in order to win. What about Parker, Nash, Kidd ... they were never good defenders, they didn't need to be. With Rondo you have the ability to give that in a playoff situation, but I disagree that he needs to play outstanding defense all the time in the regular season.

    Second point on this is Bradley. Rondo works perfectly with Bradley because AB allows Rondo to sniff out turnovers while AB applies the pressure. I think Rondo is fine on defense.

     

    4. He runs the offense too much. He is very predictable.

    This I agree with you on, but it is an adjustment. It is disconcerning that Rondo HAS to be handling the ball so much of the time. But, then again, wouldn't you want your best ball handler handling the ball as much as possible? Adjustments.

     

    5. Basketball is a complete team oriented game, not a guard oriented team. He make his teamates depend on him too much. 

     

    False. Makes his teamates better. We saw against the Knicks that we aren't completely reliant on Rondo to make our team go. For Fun's sake, even KG turned into a point-center on a couple of possessions.

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    Decent points, but honestly, this sounds like minor adjustments that Rondo CAN make. See above.

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

    [/QUOTE]  One of the best mid range shooters in the league!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now that was funny!!


     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

    [/QUOTE]

    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

    [/QUOTE]  One of the best mid range shooters in the league!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now that was funny!!


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    Well I guess it is funny if you are an an idiot. 

     

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/rondo_is_one_of_the_nbas_best_mid_range_shooters/12350761

     

     But hey don't let the actual facts sway you. Don't look at the numbers.  That would require solid thinking skills. 

     

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

    [/QUOTE]

    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

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    He is a very poor outiside shooter, and is unreliable at the FT line.

    He takes too many chances for me on defense.

    We still beat the Knicks without him, yes or no?

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    would you rather have someone that plays good in the regular season, then puts a decent performance on in the playoffs? or someone that plays good, very good at times during the regular season, and plays all-world, top 3 player in the league during the playoffs, which is when it REALLY matters? ill take the latter.

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    Don't we need to MAKE the playoffs first???

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

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    He is a very poor outiside shooter, and is unreliable at the FT line.

    He takes too many chances for me on defense.

    We still beat the Knicks without him, yes or no?

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    He is a poor three point shooter.  he is deadly from midrange.

     

    It is fair to say he gambles on defense.

     

    We did. I wouldn't count on it in a seven game series without Rondo.  

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

    [/QUOTE]

    would you rather have someone that plays good in the regular season, then puts a decent performance on in the playoffs? or someone that plays good, very good at times during the regular season, and plays all-world, top 3 player in the league during the playoffs, which is when it REALLY matters? ill take the latter.

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    Don't we need to MAKE the playoffs first???

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    We are three games removed from the 3 seed. 

     
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    I honestly think all this talk about Rondo pounding the ball until about 5 seconds left is a myth.  maybe so when Allen was here, but not now.  Rondo gets the ball upcourt with plenty of time to get the set going most of the time.  He passes it to PP or KG and it swings around.  

    My only issue is when he notices PP and/or KG struggling that he doesn't asset himself more.  All the pounding the ball crap is just crap.  You have issues with the offensive sets then take that up with Doc and ultimately DA since he hired Doc.

     

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    This is true, my point is that when they DO struggle, he is not capable of giving us anything on offense.  We need more offense from our PG!

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

    [/QUOTE]

    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

    [/QUOTE]  One of the best mid range shooters in the league!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now that was funny!!


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    Well I guess it is funny if you are an an idiot. 

     

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/rondo_is_one_of_the_nbas_best_mid_range_shooters/12350761

     

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]  There's a reason the other team lets him shoot any time he wants too, and if he is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, why don't he average more then 13 points per game!!


     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

    [/QUOTE]  One of the best mid range shooters in the league!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now that was funny!!


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    Well I guess it is funny if you are an an idiot. 

     

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/rondo_is_one_of_the_nbas_best_mid_range_shooters/12350761

     

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]  There's a reason the other team lets him shoot any time he wants too, and if he is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, why don't he average more then 13 points per game!!


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    I don't know. Why doesn't jason Terry or Ray Allen average more than 12 points a points per game? They must be bad shooters. Since somehow the points scored equals how good your mid range jumshot is.  First class logic. 

    And  there is a reason they back off of him.  It's because a 15 foot jumper is better than a layup. 

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

    [/QUOTE]  One of the best mid range shooters in the league!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now that was funny!!


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    Well I guess it is funny if you are an an idiot. 

     

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/rondo_is_one_of_the_nbas_best_mid_range_shooters/12350761

     

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]  There's a reason the other team lets him shoot any time he wants too, and if he is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, why don't he average more then 13 points per game!!


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    I don't know. Why doesn't jason Terry or Ray Allen average more than 12 points a points per game? They must be bad shooters. Since somehow the points scored equals how good your mid range jumshot is.  First class logic. 

    And  there is a reason they back off of him.  It's because a 15 jumper is better than a layup. 

    [/QUOTE]  Check out Ray's average when he was 26 and get back to me!!  He can't consistently hit a 15 footer or a lay up. He don't even want to shoot a lay up for fear of being fouled!!  Deadly from mid range, please tell me you're trying to be funny!!


     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

    [/QUOTE]  One of the best mid range shooters in the league!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now that was funny!!


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    Well I guess it is funny if you are an an idiot. 

     

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/rondo_is_one_of_the_nbas_best_mid_range_shooters/12350761

     

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]  There's a reason the other team lets him shoot any time he wants too, and if he is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, why don't he average more then 13 points per game!!


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    I don't know. Why doesn't jason Terry or Ray Allen average more than 12 points a points per game? They must be bad shooters. Since somehow the points scored equals how good your mid range jumshot is.  First class logic. 

    And  there is a reason they back off of him.  It's because a 15 jumper is better than a layup. 

    [/QUOTE]  Check out Ray's average when he was 26 and get back to me!!  He can't consistently hit a 15 footer or a lay up. He don't even want to shoot a lay up for fear of being fouled!!  Deadly from mid range, please tell me you're trying to be funny!!


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    Well he can't consitently hit a 15 footer except for 50% of the time he actually shoots one making him one of the best in the league by the actual facts and not some lame brained opinon by people ignoring what is actually happening..

    Secondly Ray at 26 means nothing because you tried to equate scoring average with how good a midrange shooter someone is. Obviously as ray is STILL a great midrange shooter it proves scoring average and midrange accuracy are two seperate things. 

    To explain the logic. If I shoot 95% form the free throw line and score 6 points a game. I'm obviously a good free throw shooter but a below average scorer.  Similarly Midrange jumper accuracy and scoring average have nothing to do with each other. Your whole point on this was illogical and poorly thought out. 

     

    Thirdly,

     

    John Stockton's career numbers

     

     13.1 pts 10.5 asst 2.7 rebounds

     

    Rondo this season

    13.1 pts 11.2 asst  5.0  rebounds

     

     

     

     
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    Nothing, you fools!

    I don't understand the argument that because Rondo doesn't exhibit lock-down defense like bradley on every possession for every game, he can't remain on our team as our starting PG. Foolish!

    Someone made the point that teams don't win championships with elite PGs as their best player. So:

    Q: Why does Rondo have to be our best player??

    A: Because we've invested so much in him and given him a max contract. FALSE.

     

    Q: Why should we trade Rondo this season?

    A: Because there are so many PGs out there that can do what Rondo does on smaller contracts and who can mesh better with our current team instantly. FALSE

     

    Q: Why isn't Rondo more dominant on both ends of the court for EVERY regular season game?

    A: Because he chooses not to, even though it is so easy, I mean look at Lebron. He does it and he's just the so-called "best player in the world", so Rondo should too. FALSE

     

    Guys,

    The kid is our on-the-floor coach, runs the offense. He's an annual league assist leader. He can get to the basket with ease. He can apply situational pressure on defense. He gets steals. He can lead a charge in transition. He has high situational BBIQ. Great ball handler. Great vision, and creativity with his passing. Mid-range shooting is improving. He can knock down the 3pt shot. He has a modest, long-term contract. Our teamates like him. Our coach loves him. Our GM loves him.

     

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    The most important aspect of Rondo = HE TURNS IT ON IN THE PLAYOFFS

     

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    I have no problems with RR right now. I understand he is nursing an injury so cant expect much defensively but we dont need him too with Avery playing D on the Pgs and allowing him to roam.

     

    My problem is with Doc making RR the leader of this team when he clearly isnt ready and doesnt have to be with PP and KG still on this team. I dont think people realize how detrimental this is to proclaim an immature dude like RR can lead grown men that have played in this league much harder, accomplished more and are more mature. Doc needs to retract that statement cuz this years RR IS NOT A LEADER and doesnt NEED to be!

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

    [/QUOTE]  One of the best mid range shooters in the league!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now that was funny!!


    [/QUOTE]

    Well I guess it is funny if you are an an idiot. 

     

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/rondo_is_one_of_the_nbas_best_mid_range_shooters/12350761

     

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]  There's a reason the other team lets him shoot any time he wants too, and if he is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, why don't he average more then 13 points per game!!


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    I don't know. Why doesn't jason Terry or Ray Allen average more than 12 points a points per game? They must be bad shooters. Since somehow the points scored equals how good your mid range jumshot is.  First class logic. 

    And  there is a reason they back off of him.  It's because a 15 jumper is better than a layup. 

    [/QUOTE]  Check out Ray's average when he was 26 and get back to me!!  He can't consistently hit a 15 footer or a lay up. He don't even want to shoot a lay up for fear of being fouled!!  Deadly from mid range, please tell me you're trying to be funny!!


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    Well he can't consitently hit a 15 footer except for 50% of the time he actually shoots one making him one of the best in the league by the actual facts and not some lame brained opinon by people ignoring what is actually happening..

    Secondly Ray at 26 means nothing because you tried to equate scoring average with how good a midrange shooter someone is. Obviously as ray is STILL a great midrange shooter it proves scoring average and midrange accuracy are two seperate things. 

    To explain the logic. If I shoot 95% form the free throw line and score 6 points a game. I'm obviously a good free throw shooter but a below average scorer.  Similarly Midrange jumper accuracy and scoring average have nothing to do with each other. Your whole point on this was illogical and poorly thought out. 

     

    Thirdly,

     

    John Stockton's career numbers

     

     13.1 pts 10.5 asst 2.7 rebounds

     

    Rondo this season

    13.1 pts 11.2 asst  5.0  rebounds

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE] You're the one who brought Rays name up not me, are you trying to be stupid or are you really stupid?  Would you consider a free throw to be mid range?


     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

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    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

    [/QUOTE]  One of the best mid range shooters in the league!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now that was funny!!


    [/QUOTE]

    Well I guess it is funny if you are an an idiot. 

     

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/rondo_is_one_of_the_nbas_best_mid_range_shooters/12350761

     

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]  There's a reason the other team lets him shoot any time he wants too, and if he is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, why don't he average more then 13 points per game!!


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    I don't know. Why doesn't jason Terry or Ray Allen average more than 12 points a points per game? They must be bad shooters. Since somehow the points scored equals how good your mid range jumshot is.  First class logic. 

    And  there is a reason they back off of him.  It's because a 15 jumper is better than a layup. 

    [/QUOTE]  Check out Ray's average when he was 26 and get back to me!!  He can't consistently hit a 15 footer or a lay up. He don't even want to shoot a lay up for fear of being fouled!!  Deadly from mid range, please tell me you're trying to be funny!!


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    Well he can't consitently hit a 15 footer except for 50% of the time he actually shoots one making him one of the best in the league by the actual facts and not some lame brained opinon by people ignoring what is actually happening..

    Secondly Ray at 26 means nothing because you tried to equate scoring average with how good a midrange shooter someone is. Obviously as ray is STILL a great midrange shooter it proves scoring average and midrange accuracy are two seperate things. 

    To explain the logic. If I shoot 95% form the free throw line and score 6 points a game. I'm obviously a good free throw shooter but a below average scorer.  Similarly Midrange jumper accuracy and scoring average have nothing to do with each other. Your whole point on this was illogical and poorly thought out. 

     

    Thirdly,

     

    John Stockton's career numbers

     

     13.1 pts 10.5 asst 2.7 rebounds

     

    Rondo this season

    13.1 pts 11.2 asst  5.0  rebounds

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE] You're the one who brought Rays name up not me, are you trying to be stupid or are you really stupid?  Would you consider a free throw to be mid range?


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    I brought up Ray because you equated scoring to how good someone's midrange game was. You basically said Rondo's midrange isn't good because he scores only 13 points a game. By that logic Ray and Jason Terry should both be terrible midrange shooters because they score less than 13 points a game. I was demonstrating that Points scored has nothing to do with how good your midrange jumper is.

    The free throw example was an attempt to further explain this logic by showing how someone can be elite at one thing and it doesn't affect another thing. so the example was, say I hit 99% of my free throws and score only 10 points a game. What does that mean? it means  I am elite at one skill, Free throws and not elite at another scoring. Rondo's 13 points a game similarly has nothing to do with him being one of the best mid range shooters in the game. They are unrelated. 

    What does all this mean? Well basically it means you mocked me for saying Rondo was one of the best mid range shooters in the game making youself look like a total moron because the numbers show I'm right, and you have you doubled down on this idocy brinking up illogical points wich have nothing to do with the most relvent facts which is what percentage of his mid range shots is Rondo actualy hitting. RIGHT ABOUT FIFTY PERCENT making him elite.  

     

    Is that simple enough for you? 

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: What is wrong with Rondo?

    The best part of Rondo's game is that he makes the refs look like TOTAL idiots.

    Pud

     
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    We all love Rondo - but he can't get us 15 rebounds per game.............nor can he get us 15 points!

     

    It is not a coincidence that we play well when he plays well.  After 7 years, we are used to it.  When he wants to play, he is one of the best players in the league.

    He does not want to enough for some of us.

    He has not worked on his shooting in 7 years.

    His suspensions are detreimental to the team.

    One of these "big" wins we just had was without him!!!

    [/QUOTE]

    HE is one of the best mid range shooters in the league. How is that not working on his shot? 

    His defense has slipped but it is still good. he has a defensive ranking of a very solid 103.  a shade worse than Chris Paul tied with Russel Westbrook and leagues better the Kyrie irving. 

    And the one big win without him was by the lowest margin. Not to mention Doc said they ran almost no offense but a spread offense because of not having Rondo. You don't think a good coach can exploit that after watching a bit of film? 

    [/QUOTE]  One of the best mid range shooters in the league!!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now that was funny!!


    [/QUOTE]

    Well I guess it is funny if you are an an idiot. 

     

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/rondo_is_one_of_the_nbas_best_mid_range_shooters/12350761

     

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]  There's a reason the other team lets him shoot any time he wants too, and if he is one of the best mid range shooters in the league, why don't he average more then 13 points per game!!


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    I don't know. Why doesn't jason Terry or Ray Allen average more than 12 points a points per game? They must be bad shooters. Since somehow the points scored equals how good your mid range jumshot is.  First class logic. 

    And  there is a reason they back off of him.  It's because a 15 jumper is better than a layup. 

    [/QUOTE]  Check out Ray's average when he was 26 and get back to me!!  He can't consistently hit a 15 footer or a lay up. He don't even want to shoot a lay up for fear of being fouled!!  Deadly from mid range, please tell me you're trying to be funny!!


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    Well he can't consitently hit a 15 footer except for 50% of the time he actually shoots one making him one of the best in the league by the actual facts and not some lame brained opinon by people ignoring what is actually happening..

    Secondly Ray at 26 means nothing because you tried to equate scoring average with how good a midrange shooter someone is. Obviously as ray is STILL a great midrange shooter it proves scoring average and midrange accuracy are two seperate things. 

    To explain the logic. If I shoot 95% form the free throw line and score 6 points a game. I'm obviously a good free throw shooter but a below average scorer.  Similarly Midrange jumper accuracy and scoring average have nothing to do with each other. Your whole point on this was illogical and poorly thought out. 

     

    Thirdly,

     

    John Stockton's career numbers

     

     13.1 pts 10.5 asst 2.7 rebounds

     

    Rondo this season

    13.1 pts 11.2 asst  5.0  rebounds

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE] You're the one who brought Rays name up not me, are you trying to be stupid or are you really stupid?  Would you consider a free throw to be mid range?


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    I brought up Ray because you equated scoring to how good someone's midrange game was. You basically said Rondo's midrange isn't good because he scores only 13 points a game. By that logic Ray and Jason Terry should both be terrible midrange shooters because they score less than 13 points a game. I was demonstrating that Points scored has nothing to do with how good your midrange jumper is.

    The free throw example was an attempt to further explain this logic by showing how someone can be elite at one thing and it doesn't affect another thing. so the example was, say I hit 99% of my free throws and score only 10 points a game. What does that mean? it means  I am elite at one skill, Free throws and not elite at another scoring. Rondo's 13 points a game similarly has nothing to do with him being one of the best mid range shooters in the game. They are unrelated. 

    What does all this mean? Well basically it means you mocked me for saying Rondo was one of the best mid range shooters in the game making youself look like a total moron because the numbers show I'm right, and you have you doubled down on this idocy brinking up illogical points wich have nothing to do with the most relvent facts which is what percentage of his mid range shots is Rondo actualy hitting. RIGHT ABOUT FIFTY PERCENT.  

     

    Is that simple enough for you? 

     

     

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE] Anyone who thinks Rondo is a Deadly mid range shooter, needs to be mocked!!


     

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