Re: why can't c's beat these lesser teams
posted at 3/14/2011 5:32 PM EDT
In Response to Re: why can't c's beat these lesser teams
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: why can't c's beat these lesser teams : Certainly something to think about. Doesn't that eventualy lead to parity?
Posted by OneNation[/QUOTE]
No it does not lead to parity, it leads to the rise and fall of teams. Of course there are any number of factors that disrupt the cycle - for example the Clippers are always in the lottery but don't sign their players, there are injuries to key players, there are free agent moves, there are league shaking trades.
Here is an example, Shaq is drafted #1, the Magic stink then they end up with the first pick again and draft and trade C Web for Penny and then they get Horace Grant and then they are in the finals. You could easily have looked at that and labeled it a dynasty and Penny got hurt and Shaq had enough of the Magic. Looking back they are only in the finals because Jordan took two years off because of the suspension, um I mean to play baseball. The two years the Bulls were not champions, Patrick Ewing the number 1 pick and Shaq the number 1 pick played against and lost to Hakeem the number 1 pick, Hakeem had Clyde the Glide the number 5 pick.
Factor in player movement, ownership incompetence, coaching, etc. but to me it all comes down to the players and getting blue chip all-star talent in the top 10 or the lottery.
A few years ago the Heat played the Mavs in the finals and only one of the starting 10 were not drafted in the lottery.
In this year's all-star game only Rondo and Ginobili were not lottery picks - Rondo will never play in another all-star game and Ginobili was drafted in the second round - had he been an American playing for Duke he would have been a lottery pick whereas if Rondo was a point guard playing in France (i.e. Parker), he may have never been drafted.
What a surprise KMart, Billups, Nene, 'melo, etc. are one of the best teams in the west when healthy, what a surprise when healthy Gasol, Kobe, Bynum, Odom lead the best team in the west, what a surprise KG, Shaq, Pierce, Allen are one of the best teams in the east - imagine Pierce being the lowest pick of the group, Rose, Deng, Noah lottery picks, LeBron, Bosh, Wade top 5, and so on and so forth.
The problem the Cs had for 20 years is that they tried to win and rebuild on the fly - they drafted Walker and Pierce and were immediately mediocre and could not get worse and without a serious injury to either one could not get better, they added parts and got to various levels of the playoffs but could not get good enough to win... so they were stuck in the middle.
I remember one of my first posts on this board was when the Cs were too good to be really bad and they were going on a long road trip and I said I hope they lose all 7 games (I don't remember the exact circumstances). I was lambasted for routing against the Cs. Those are the people that simply don't understand the cycle. They wanted the Cs to win and make sure that they stayed in the middle of the pack and continue to get garbage in the draft.
The simple minds could simply not wrap their brains around the idea that there is a cycle. It was almost a baseball mindset, you can get great players in the 43rd round if they spent 5 years in the minors. The idea that if you did not get a top 10 pick that it did not really matter who you got, you were at best treading water.
As I said, injuries, blockbuster trades, bad coaching, etc. can disrupt the cycle but the cycle is the cycle.
Let's see if you didn't get Rose you got......
Beasley - one of the players who is part of the best young frontcourt in the league, or if you were unlucky enough to get the 3rd pick you got OJ Mayo - one of the best young players in the league, and then oh dry my eyes Russell Westbrook at 4, and ooh, ooh, ooh Love, Bayless, Gordon, Gallinari, Augustin, and Brook Lopez... it would have been so bad to get one of those... of course you could have been drafting where the Cs were and got ... drum roll please.......Giddens.......
Please let me know when the cycle concept starts to produce parity..... it never will.