Re: Would Griffin be your #1 pick as a new GM?
posted at 1/21/2011 11:33 AM EST
In Response to Re: Would Griffin be your #1 pick as a new GM?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Would Griffin be your #1 pick as a new GM? : I'm with you most of the way. You're right if you stop at "who do you start with". However, the TEAM wins championships, not the big man alone. So, I START with a big man, but every big man had a shooter/passer/team leader (except where the leader is the Center like Bill Russell). So, Jabbar had the Big O and Magic and Worthy + others. Even the Celtics big 3 had DJ. Duncan had Parker and Ginobli recently and Sean Elliott the first time around. Hakeem had Kenny and Cassell. You gotta have some scorers/shooters around that big man. If Durant would just play D, he's perfect. But, gotta have a good point guard as the second person after starting with great centers or power forwards.
Posted by Celtsfan4life[/QUOTE]
You don't have to have a good point guard at all. In the last 20 years the only great ones that have won rings are Billups and Parker. Heck the Cs won a ring with Rondo in his second year when he was arguably one of the worst point guards in the league and they beat a Lakers team with Fisher who nobody would consider a great point guard.
I think the point guard position is vastly overrated other than on the teams that happen to have a great one. None of the best point guards in the league have even gotten close to a ring - Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Westbrook, Kidd, Nash, Davis, Ellis, Rose, Curry, Felton, Bibby, and so on - NO RINGS......
Of course the BIGs have wings and scorers but the BIGs sign the paychecks. There is an interesting stat that I think tells the real story and I don't know the details off the top of my head but it goes something like this - Tim Duncan has gotten rings for XX number of guys - in other words, the higher the number the more irrelevant the guys. The XX guys are interchangeable but the one constant is Duncan.
I will not debate Russell blah, blah, blah.... NO SALARY CAP..... here is Red and Russ discussing the team - Sorry Russ this year we can keep either Cousy or Heinsohn which one do you want?.........
It is kind of like debating whether Brady or Manning are the greatest quarterback in history - the rules heavily favor the quarterbacks and the receivers - if Marino and Montana played with today's rules they would through for 8000 yards and throw for 90 touchdowns and if Brady played back then, he would never have thrown for 50 touchdowns - how is it that Marino still holds the record for passing yards with 5084 without the benefit of today's rules? One would think with the rules today that someone would have thrown for 6000 yards.
I disagree re. Durant - he has debataby the 4th best point guard in the league and they will never get a sniff unless somehow Ibaka becomes something more than a decent BIG and they add some depth in the front court. The Thunder are a forever one and done team unless they add some quality depth up front. I never ever ever wish any injuries on anyone but the best thing that could happen to the Thunder is that in consecutive years Durant and Westbrook have season ending injuries which allows them to draft a legit BIG or somehow they can wriggle one away from some one but given that BIGs are the most valuable commodity in all of sports (maybe other than a pitching ace and a franchise quarterback) it is highly unlikely that they will be able to acquire one without giving up lots of picks and then getting really lucky.
Oden's contract is up - how odd would it be that he gets and stays healthy and the Thunder are the team that signs him in the offseason? Then watch out.