BC's Lack of recruiting lacks excuses!!

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    You can never be satisfied and I don't want to give the impression that I think BC is doing good enough, but our own hometurf is just barren when it comes to recruiting.  BC is at a serious strategic disadvantage over UVA and Stanford and with population trends and regional culture, it's probably only going to keep getting worse.  That said BC is a great product to push. 

    I think BC has less of an excuse to not knock bball recruiting out of the park...That school in that conference and that city and we can't get 8 kids to fill out a perennial winner?  At least in football you need 100 guys so your local advantage makes a difference. In basketball you only need 10% the manpower.
     
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    [QUOTE]AS an old time alum (Class of 1960) from BC, I was always proud when the student/athlete stats come out as to graduates from the college who played major sports and graduated. BC is always among the top 5 or so. I always used that data to tell my non-BC friends and family that at least BC was upholding the fact that it is an educational institution before it is a sports factory and that they are limited in their recruiting by high standards maintained by the university. Well, the latest college football recruiting classes for football were revealed earlier this week and BC didn't make the top 25 list (I suspect they didn't make the top 50 either). However, other universities which honor education before sports had top flight recruiting classes such as Notre Dame @ 8; North Carolina @ 11; Stanford @ 14 and Virginia @ 18. SO BC, what's the excuse?
    Posted by kenneyc[/QUOTE]


    Kenney,.... I sort of don't get your post.  In the last 20 years I don't think that BC has ever had a Top 25 Recruiting Class. (You don't specifiy which rankings you were using...Scout? Rivals? ESPN?) So what is the news? Based on the tone of your message it as if we have been having Top 25 Recruting classes for years and then it suddenly stopped.

    Couple things to think of:

    1. Recruiting Rankings are kind of phony. Players are bumped up only because they get signed by certain programs. A "three star" can become a five start just by signing with Texas and Florida.

    2. Once again, recruiting rankings are kind of phony.  Brady Quinn was a five start, Matt Ryan was a three star. Brendan Beal (who?) was a five star, Mark Herzlich was a three star, Luke Kuechly was a two or three star, etc.

    3. Let's say it again, recruiting rankins are kind of phony. Notre Dame has has  some incredible recruiting classes (supposedly) over the past ten years. Where has been the results on the field?

    4. Recruits disproportionaly go to colleges within 200 miles of their high school. New England is one of the worst areas in the country for producing NFL talent (google NFL players by state). Virginia, North Carolina and California are very high on producing NFL talent. ( I am using NFL talent as a proxy for good college football players).

    If you want to get upset about something, get upset about not having gone to a BCS bowl.

    The recruting stuff is sort of a side issue. Many schools have gone to a BCS bowl even though they supposedly did not have good recruiting classes. Boise State, for one. Most recetnly in the ACC, Wake Forest.



     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to BC's Lack of recruiting lacks excuses!! : Kenney,.... I sort of don't get your post.  In the last 20 years I don't think that BC has ever had a Top 25 Recruiting Class. (You don't specifiy which rankings you were using...Scout? Rivals? ESPN?) So what is the news? Based on the tone of your message it as if we have been having Top 25 Recruting classes for years and then it suddenly stopped. Couple things to think of: 1. Recruiting Rankings are kind of phony. Players are bumped up only because they get signed by certain programs. A "three star" can become a five start just by signing with Texas and Florida. 2. Once again, recruiting rankings are kind of phony.  Brady Quinn was a five start, Matt Ryan was a three star. Brendan Beal (who?) was a five star, Mark Herzlich was a three star, Luke Kuechly was a two or three star, etc. 3. Let's say it again, recruiting rankins are kind of phony. Notre Dame has has  some incredible recruiting classes (supposedly) over the past ten years. Where has been the results on the field? 4. Recruits disproportionaly go to colleges within 200 miles of their high school. New England is one of the worst areas in the country for producing NFL talent (google NFL players by state). Virginia, North Carolina and California are very high on producing NFL talent. ( I am using NFL talent as a proxy for good college football players). If you want to get upset about something, get upset about not having gone to a BCS bowl. The recruting stuff is sort of a side issue. Many schools have gone to a BCS bowl even though they supposedly did not have good recruiting classes. Boise State, for one. Most recetnly in the ACC, Wake Forest.
    Posted by JamesGatz1[/QUOTE]
    James, thanx for your comprehensive reply. My point is, whether you like it or not, teams that have consistent high recruiting classes (No matter the criteria since the recruiting measurement programs have significant overlap)generally have higher performing teams. 
    BC consistently doesn't have highly touted recruited classes and indicate that it is tougher to find the top notch student/athletes in these high level available pools.If that is so, how can other universities who also have high academic standards consistently "identify" student/athletes who can be successful at both. 
    If you retain your standards at such a high level (Which I think they should); can they continue to be competitive against schools that do not take "student/athlete" graduation rates as seriously as BC does..

     
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    You lost me when you started whining about recruiting rankings.  They are rubbish and constructing an argument around that is failure at step 1.

    Nice reference by someone of Brendan Beal.  Sure we all ask who is he but everyone on Wall Street is going to know who he is!!!
     
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    Nice to see some alums from my era comment.I did not go to BC but appreciate their efforts in football.They are a top academic school whose football players are in real career majors.Just check out the roster and compare it to,for instance,UConn.

    The competitions for top athletic talent with academic credentials is fierce and in spite of the name recognition in the east,BC does not have the recognition in athletics that the other schools mentioned have west of Worcester. I travel extensively through these areas and BC does not get much of a mention in the media. In addition it is in the North which is a colder climate and the warm weather recruiters point to this as a handicap. The top fast athletes states, where athletes are numerous, Texas,Florida,California, the kids gro.wup dreaming of state 'U'.They are hammered with stories about football heroes past and present in the media,We have nothing like that up here.

    Some years back I went to see Clemson play Maryland at home.Invited by a local Clemson fan and friend, we went to a packed stadium,'RV's' numbering in the hundreds,a tailgate section as big as the Boston Common.The roads leading up to the stadium were packed with orange flagged cars,state police were everywhere,guiding,pointing friendly for the days events. We have nothing like that in the northeast at the college level.

    The game itself was really two parts, the game,which Clemson won and the band show with cheerleaders misnamed who were top notch gymnasts. The band and 'cheerleaders numbered over 300.It was a spectacular pregame and half time show worthy of any big concert venue. It was spectacular. Now comes the serious part, Clemson recruits, all dressed in Sunday best were seated in the stadium in seats known by the crowd for their purpose.Each recruit had a Clemson escort, a beautiful young student leading them to their seats. All this carefully choreographed. You can imagine the effect on the emotions and thoughts of an eighteen year old.

    The one anomaly which seems to not fit is the success on Notre Dame in recruiting.First, it is a top tier academic school, easily matching BC.Its connected alumni,nationally is well known and a huge selling point to recruits.Lastly it has a history and tradition matched by prominent TV opportunities that BC does not have.Even with disappointed expectations Notre Dame is always in the news.

    BC will have some realy good years and some not so good years.BC fans should be proud of what their school has become.One thing they can do which will impress recruits is to fill the stadium and stay for the entire game.When a recruit sits in the stands and watches the FSU game and sees the emppty seats and the crowd leaving he can only wonder.BC is known nationally for one particularly negative thing, their fans don't travel in the numbers that the schools mentioned do.This impacts which Bowls are interested when they have a good team.This is the responsibility of BC fans. I wish BC well and enjoy their games and admire their academic standing.There is a lot to be proud of. 
     
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    Recruiting in college circles is marketing in the real world. Ever buy a car that was drab, underpowered, overpriced, horrrible MPG, etc.; all sold by a salesmen in a polyester suit with cigarette ash burns all over his trousers. Get the point -- welcome to BC coaches Skinner and Spaz.

    We (I am an alum) have a value proposition while not identcal to Clemson's is never the less in balance (or should be). We offer a private college, tremedous education, a top US and world city, cultural opprotunities galore, diversity, spiritual benefit, spohisticated, accomplished and "connected" alumnae network, and an atmosphere that has drawn multithousands of applicants per year for a limited number of spots -- at a price that is higher than some and lower than some. Now where do sports fit -- well the College is a memebr of the ACC which tells a great deal about how BC values the sports component of their value proposition. And -- Gene here is where our value equation comes out of balance. Without a coach that has spirit, fire, reputation and personality -- what top athlete with strong transcript will choose BC? The answer is no one.
    Our current revenue sports teams, can't throw, catch, block, run, tackle, dribble, shoot, or play defense. The athletes are not bad kids they just have come here as a result of not being "marketed" to properly. The first building block is the coach (check that its really an AD with an understaning of the school's value prop) who needs to ATTRACT from the pool of academic qualified athletes: read Duke. Its not that hard -- find a coach who kids want to play for and then cull that list based on academics. It certainly will leave us better off than we are now. I am beginning to accept the theory that Gene is afraid to hire a coach with a "rep" that makes the AD not the BMOC.
    Our lack of recruiting in Hoops and Fball will produce losing teams for at least 4 more years. I will wait the four years, but not 5 -- so Gene this is your last chance. Steve may hae been successful at Cornell, but if you are a top student who can shoot -- where are you going -- The Heights or Durham ??????

    Its a no brainer. Gene -- its in your hands.
     
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    Being a Clemson alum living the the Boston area, the problem BC is having is realy quite simple.  This is a pro sports town.  As a recruit coming to campus for a weekend visit the BC game is literally the 4th or 5th sports story on the news, newspaper or sports radio.  There is very little buzz about BC football.  In comparision, Clemson football is king because Atlants and Charlotte are 2 hours away in different media markets.  Whena  recruit comes to Clemson he sees front page sports stories, live interviews out at the stadium, etc.  As a football recruit, where would you rather play?  A place were you could be a local sports star or a place where you'll be an afterthought?  The local media does cover College hockey quite well compaed to other places in the country and therefore BU-BC hockey is top notch
     
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    frankacorn1234,

         Being a college hockey fan in this area is so much fun it's ridiculous. I'm a regular at BU games but I catch games elsewhere(i.e., Northeastern vs. BC at Matthews Arena).

    Speaking of college pucks:

    http://clemson.goalline.ca/

     
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     Bumbleton College accused of football recruiting abuses is awarded 5 extra scholarships for screwing up so badly.
     
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    No, no, no we must follow the suggestion of our fearless leader and move to the Patriot League. Rankings and recruiting will go up because then BC will travel better attracting Rivals and Scout to rank BC higher chums LoL!
     
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    [QUOTE]Being a Clemson alum living the the Boston area, the problem BC is having is realy quite simple.  This is a pro sports town.  As a recruit coming to campus for a weekend visit the BC game is literally the 4th or 5th sports story on the news, newspaper or sports radio.  There is very little buzz about BC football.  In comparision, Clemson football is king because Atlants and Charlotte are 2 hours away in different media markets.  Whena  recruit comes to Clemson he sees front page sports stories, live interviews out at the stadium, etc.  As a football recruit, where would you rather play?  A place were you could be a local sports star or a place where you'll be an afterthought?  The local media does cover College hockey quite well compaed to other places in the country and therefore BU-BC hockey is top notch
    Posted by frankacorn1234[/QUOTE]

    This is the most accurate reason why BC has trouble recruiting the top student athletes. Born and raised in Boston as well as being a BC Alum, the city has never done a great job pushing the local college sports programs. Look at the Sunday Globe (even when BC football was winning and heading to the ACC championship games), you barely see a paragraph on the front page of the sports section. Look at the website. All of the pro teams get a large link button; "Colleges" is in text under high schools.

    Also, there are so many colleges in the city of Boston, that people either love BC or hate BC. Alum and family members of the Alum from schools like BU, Harvard, Northeastern, Umass (colleges with larger sports programs) have no reason to root for BC. It is the opposite. Then you have smaller colleges dotting all around Boston and teh suburbs. They have no loyalty to BC either.

    Boston is not a college sports town. Never has been and never will be.
     
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     I can't believe that that many people can be crammed into Bumbling College's Football Playground just to watch Virgina. Yes, there is a Santa Claus!!
     
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    BC also recruits good students. Many of the players who attend big name schools never graduate.
     
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    [QUOTE]BC also recruits good students. Many of the players who attend big name schools never graduate.
    Posted by Pierce[/QUOTE]

    That's a joke. BC delivers a 2nd rate education.
     
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    Here in St. Louis, the qb on BC's list is a three star from Chaminade by the name of Christian Suntrup.  There is a big car dealer here by that name.  I would like to hear from others what they think.  They had a big time running back who is going to Iowa State.  Suntrup was "put on the back burner" by the coaching staff.  He is a very good passer and  a pro model type with nice size.  He threw four touchdown passes in his last game.  So, what say someone?
     
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    Agree: Boston is a sports town. BC cannot get a mention on its own flag ship station WEEI. Craig et all get a big laugh when they do the intro to any BC sports. And now that BC is a "national" school, local qualified and die hard "BC students" are being denied, to make room for kids from all over (often less qualified than the locals)....say goodbye to all their families and friends as fans! I love BC but they are killing themselves....(add the fee seating and you have upset the established fans, who are bailing) if they want to be relevant to the people of Boston they need some people from Boston.....there were more Holy Cross students and fans than BC at the last game at Conte
     
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     BC a second choice school. Always has been and always will in academics and sports.All BC grads I know have sent their children to the higher rated schools.
     
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    Have any of you looked at the current freshman class. A few have been forced to play this year with great results.  You listed Virginia, when was the last time they beat BC.
     

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