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    Once again, our lads efforted commendably, albeit falling short.

    The silver lining in this defeat is that this game once again enables us to exercise our sense of loyalty to the members of the BC family, past and present, by saluting Coach Tom O’Brien, who has brought NC State to a 5-1 record in the ACC, in only his fourth season in Raleigh.

    As the announcer on ESPN on line noted, Coach O’Brien did an outstanding job as Eagle Coach, leaving as the most winning football coach ever at the Heights: 75-45, with 8 straight winning seasons and 6 straight bowls.

    Coach also showed impressive prescience by leaving Chestnut Hill before facing the inevitable Leahy-DeFilippo guillotine which has awaited nearly all football and basketball coaches at alma mater since 1996.

    Now, valiantly on to Florida State!

     
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    The Fr Leahy - Gene D. "guillotine"?

    Since 1996 no school that plays FBS football has fired less football and basketball coaches that BC. That grand total is 2. Name one other school that fired fewer coaches in that time span? You can't. The idea that BC fires coaches at some high level is a fantasty that you refuse to abandon no matter how many times the fact get pointed out to you.

    As for Tom O'Brien was there a greater antithiis of "Ever to Excel" than Tom O'Brien? His last five years, every year he tried ot get interviewed by every major program that had an opening. He didn't belive that BC was capable of winning any kind of championship in football and the performance on the field reflected that.





     
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    Pitiful
     
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    BC Head Football Coach Mark Richt?
     
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    [QUOTE]BC Head Football Coach Mark Richt?
    Posted by redbarchetta88[/QUOTE]

     You can't be serious. BC couldn't pay a week of his salary
     
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    So Tom OB gets congrats on finally putting together a competitive in "only his 4th season", yet you have branded Steve D a failure before he coaches his first game?

    That makes sense. 




     
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    [QUOTE]The Fr Leahy - Gene D. "guillotine"? Since 1996 no school that plays FBS football has fired less football and basketball coaches that BC. That grand total is 2. Name one other school that fired fewer coaches in that time span? You can't. The idea that BC fires coaches at some high level is a fantasty that you refuse to abandon no matter how many times the fact get pointed out to you. As for Tom O'Brien was there a greater antithiis of "Ever to Excel" than Tom O'Brien? His last five years, every year he tried ot get interviewed by every major program that had an opening. He didn't belive that BC was capable of winning any kind of championship in football and the performance on the field reflected that.
    Posted by JamesGatz1[/QUOTE]

    As the once-Jesuit, former priest John McLaughlin says on Sunday morning TV, W R O N G, Gatzie.

    The number is FIVE football and hoops coaches beheaded by the Leahy/DeFilippo Gang of Two since 1996:

    Jim O'Brien
    Dan Henning
    Cathy Inglese
    Coach Jags
    Al Skinner

    Put more starkly, the only such coaches who have NOT been fired are Tom O'Brien (who out-smarted the Gang of Two) and the 3 incumbent coaches in both sports: who include Stevie Wonder, who has about a half-year tenure and has yet to play a game, and Spaz who who is in his second year. 

    Name ONE other school with a comparable savagery record, if you can. 

    Glad you're not a fact checker for the White House, my man!




     
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    [QUOTEThe number is FOUR football and hoops coaches beheaded by the Leahy/DeFilippo Gang of Two since 1996: Dan Henning Cathy Inglese Coach Jags Al Skinner Glad you're not a fact checker for the White House, my man!
    Posted by Longputter[/QUOTE]


    Speaking of fact-checking, Longracist - DeFilippo was not the AD when Henning was fired.
     
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    [QUOTE]Name ONE other school with a comparable savagery record, if you can.  Glad you're not a fact checker for the White House, my man!
    Posted by Longputter[/QUOTE]

    Boston College is 13th in FBS schools when listed alphabetically.
    (Air Force is 1, Boise State is 12).

    Using these 13 schools as a statistical sample, only two have had fewer men's
    head coaches for football and basketball, Akron and Arkansas State. The have had a combind 4.  Boston College has had 5. Army has had 9. Air Force, Alabama, Arizona State, Ball State and Baylor have had 7. Arizona, Arkansas, Auburn and Boise State have had six.

    Facts are stubborn things.

    You literally have no idea what you are talking about.

    Wrong on the number of coaches fired by BC, wrong about what goes on at other schools.



     
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    It is one thing to argue about opinions. "Fr. Leahy is a terrible leader for BC". An opinon you seem to belive, but almost everyone else in the world does not. That is an opinion.

    It is another thing to argue about facts. "BC fires more coaches than other schools". This is literally not true.

    Since January 1997, name one BCS school that has fired less men's football and basketball coaches than BC has. You can't. That's almost fourteen years and there have bene two firings: Jags and Skinner.

    Jim O'Brien was not fired. He quit for a new job.

    Even Dan Henning did not get fired, he retired.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: NC State Game : Boston College is 13th in FBS schools when listed alphabetically. (Air Force is 1, Boise State is 12). Using these 13 schools as a statistical sample, only two have had fewer men's head coaches for football and basketball, Akron and Arkansas State. The have had a combind 4.  Boston College has had 5. Army has had 9. Air Force, Alabama, Arizona State, Ball State and Baylor have had 7. Arizona, Arkansas, Auburn and Boise State have had six. Facts are stubborn things. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Wrong on the number of coaches fired by BC, wrong about what goes on at other schools.
    Posted by JamesGatz1[/QUOTE]

    Gatzie, sorry but no cigar - AGAIN:

    The schools you cite have not FIRED all those coaches.

    Painful as it may be for you to accept, since 1996, EVERY Football and Basketball Head Coach at Behead Coaches Institute has been fired, except Tom O"Brien and the 3 incumbents.

    What school has done that in a mere 14 year span?

    Stumped, huh?

    And yes, DeFilippo was not the AD when Dan Henning left. That decision was made, apparently, by the Head of the Gang of Two, Dear Leader Leahy.

    Peace, m'boy.

     
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    [QUOTE] What school has done that in a mere 14 year span? Stumped, huh?
    Posted by Longputter[/QUOTE]
    Not stumpted at all.

    US Military Academy at West Point (Army):
    Bob Sutton, football - fired
    Stan Brock, football - fired
    Todd Berry, football - fired
    John Mumford, football - intrim coach not retained
    Jim Crews, baseketball - fired

    This is literally the first school I looked at. And I didn't even finish looking at the basketball coaches! It could be higher!

    BC has fired two:
    Al Skinner
    Jags

    Not fired:
    Jim O'Brien
    Dan Henning

    Even if you count Henning as "fired", that makes three. Army has five.

    Need I go on?








     
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    The reason other schools don't have higher numbers for being fired is

    1.) Coaches leave for better jobs.  This did not happen to Al Skinner because no one wanted him! Tom O'Brien also tried multiple times to get better jobs, but failed.

    2.) Coaches retire.

    Coaches that have losing season, get fired. Do you think people who perform poorly in their jobs should stay in their jobs?



     
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    Longputter, you are so so so dead wrong.
    *Jim O'Brien quit
    *Dan Henning was fired the year before Gene was AD

    So Gene has fired 3 coaches in 13 years?  And you find a problem with this?  Even if they fired 10 coaches, who cares?  That's part of running an athletic program. 
     
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    [QUOTE]What school has done that in a mere 14 year span? Stumped, huh?
    Posted by Longputter[/QUOTE]

    Alabama

    Football:
    Mike Dubose, fired
    Mike Price, fired
    Mike Shula, fired

    Basketball:
    Wimp Sanderson, resigned before he could be fired (similar to Dan Henning)
    Mark Gottried, resigned before he could be fired (similar to Dan Henning)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: NC State Game : Not stumpted at all. US Military Academy at West Point (Army): Bob Sutton, football - fired Stan Brock, football - fired Todd Berry, football - fired John Mumford, football - intrim coach not retained Jim Crews, baseketball - fired This is literally the first school I looked at. And I didn't even finish looking at the basketball coaches! It could be higher! BC has fired two: Al Skinner Jags Not fired: Jim O'Brien Dan Henning Even if you count Henning as "fired", that makes three. Army has five. Need I go on?
    Posted by JamesGatz1[/QUOTE]


    Gatzie, you just don't let facts bother you in your idolatry quest,

    If you think Dan Henning and Jim O'Brien were not dismissed, you probably also believe that the deceased voters of Cook County did not not decide the 1960 Presidential Election.

    FIVE in 14 years: That's the harsh truth,my boy.

    What school has dismissed EVERY football or basketball coach except one (plus the incumbents) in 14 years?

    Still awaiting that answer.

    And here's another irritant FACT question in your path:

    Has any other school in a mere 14 year period fired and/or lost  as many coaches who were the winningest in school history in that sport? 

    BCI (nee BC) has two: Al Skinner and Tom O'Brien.

    But, hey, don't let me stop you from ordering your 2011 BCS Bowl tickets and your NCAA Tourney ducats, my son.  

    Just tell us what school you are ordering from, however.

    Dream on!
     
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    "What school has dismissed EVERY football or basketball coach except one (plus the incumbents) in 14 years?"

    The United States Military Academy at West Point.

    Four football coaches fired.
    One retired.
    Two basketball coaches fired.


    Basketball;
    Jim Crews, fired
    Pat Harris, fired

    You have no idea what you are talking about.



     
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    [QUOTE]What school has dismissed EVERY football or basketball coach except one (plus the incumbents) in 14 years? Still awaiting that answer.
    Posted by Longputter[/QUOTE]

    The University of Alabama.

    Every men's football coach and basketball coach was forced out.


     
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    [QUOTE]Name ONE other school with a comparable savagery record, if you can.  Glad you're not a fact checker for the White House, my man!
    Posted by Longputter[/QUOTE]

    Baylor

    Football

    Chuck Reedy, fired
    Dave Roberts, fired
    Kevin Steele, fired
    Guy Morris, fired
    Art Briles - current coach and soon to be fired

    Basketball

    Harry Miller - fired
    Dave Bliss - fired

    You really don't know much about how college sports works, do you?

    I am only on the "Bs". I can keep going. Heck, I didn't even look at all the "As.
     
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    Longputter, Jim O'Brien left on his own accord.  Whether he was about to be fired or not doesn't matter.  The official record states he did not get fired.  That is the sole fact of the matter.  Sorry, but your own conspiracy theory doesn't count as fact.  In case you need proof see the link below. 

    http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/17/sports/backtalk-power-game-has-coaches-on-the-move.html?ref=jim_obrien

    In case you are too lazy, here is a cut and paste from it:

    "The messiest coach-school divorce was last year between Jim O'Brien, now at Ohio State, and Boston College. After 10 years, in which he rebuilt a program damaged by dumping and eligibility scandals, O'Brien came up against an admissions director who rescinded the athletic scholarships he had offered.

    O'Brien quit, but last week filed a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and slander and charging that the school allowed the admissions director to ''conduct reviews of applicants with an apparent bias against African-Americans.'' Was Coach O'Brien shouting racism in a crowded arena when the fight was about standards and power?"


    However, do you know why Jim OB left.  Because the very school you bash for caring too much about sports and not enough about academics, BC, wouldn't let two of his recruits in as they didn't have the grades/scores.  So he quit.  So this very coach you love quit in order to go to a school of lesser academic standards.  Oh, and then he got fired from that job for breaking NCAA rules.  Good guy you stand behing.

     
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    Tenure of TOB and Al Skinner


    LP -

    The reason TOB and Al Skinner were the winningest coaches is history is becuase they were at BC the longest.

    Do you know why they were at BC so long?

    No one else wanted them!

    Truly good coaches - Tom Coughlin, Gary Williams, - get hired by other programs and the pros. You see this all the time in sports.

    TOB did finally get hired by another program - after years of trying to get out of town.


     
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    [QUOTE]since 1996, EVERY Football and Basketball Head Coach at Behead Coaches Institute has been fired, except Tom O"Brien and the 3 incumbents. What school has done that in a mere 14 year span? Stumped, huh? And yes, [/QUOTE]

    Auburn University -

    Every men's football and basketball coach since the mid 90s has been forced out:

    Football
    Terry Bowden - resigned before he coudl be fired
    Bill Oliver - Intrim coach not retained
    Tommy Tuberville - resigned before he could be fired

    Basketball

    Cliff Ellis - fired
    Jeff Lebo - fired
     
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    [QUOTE]Longputter, Jim O'Brien left on his own accord.  Whether he was about to be fired or not doesn't matter.  The official record states he did not get fired.  That is the sole fact of the matter.  Sorry, but your own conspiracy theory doesn't count as fact.  In case you need proof see the link below.  http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/17/sports/backtalk-power-game-has-coaches-on-the-move.html?ref=jim_obrien In case you are too lazy, here is a cut and paste from it: "The messiest coach-school divorce was last year between Jim O'Brien, now at Ohio State, and Boston College. After 10 years, in which he rebuilt a program damaged by dumping and eligibility scandals, O'Brien came up against an admissions director who rescinded the athletic scholarships he had offered. O'Brien quit , but last week filed a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and slander and charging that the school allowed the admissions director to ''conduct reviews of applicants with an apparent bias against African-Americans.'' Was Coach O'Brien shouting racism in a crowded arena when the fight was about standards and power?" However, do you know why Jim OB left.  Because the very school you bash for caring too much about sports and not enough about academics, BC, wouldn't let two of his recruits in as they didn't have the grades/scores.  So he quit.  So this very coach you love quit in order to go to a school of lesser academic standards.  Oh, and then he got fired from that job for breaking NCAA rules.  Good guy you stand behing.
    Posted by momort[/QUOTE]

    Momort, get a grip.

    The reason Jim O'Brien left is that our Dear Leader Leahy refused to offer him a new contract (his current one had expired) because the Globe ran a story saying that the Dear Leader had agreed to lower admission standards for men's hoops players, but did not want that known.


    When it became known, he dumped the coach.

    So, he was forced out.

    Sorry, lads, but BCI has a record under one "president" that no other school can match - luckily for those schools, by the way.

    Every coach but one dismissed or forced out.

    Hmmn, is all the world crazy but the Dear Leader and his minion?  Or is the reverse true??????

    But, not to worry: None of the imbecilic moves by The Gang of Two has prevented you or the other sycophants here from paying top dollar for third ,fourth, or even lower rate products.

    Rush on down to Conte and pony up those ANNUAL PSLs, my boy!

    Now, enough of this. On to more worthy pursuits.

    Y'all can go on venerating your heroes,  if you wish. 



     
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    [QUOTE] Sorry, lads, but BCI has a record under one "president" that no other school can match - luckily for those schools, by the way. Every coach but one dismissed or forced out. [/QUOTE]

    Lie.

    Every men's coach at Baylor (football and basketball) since the mid 90s has been fired.

    Every men's coach at Alabama (football and basketball) since the mid 90s has bene forced out.

    Every men's coach at Auburn (football and basketball) since the mid 90s has been forced out.


    Every men's coach at Army (football and basketball) since the mid 90s has been forced out - with one exception (Bobby Ross retired).
     
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    [QUOTE] Sorry, lads, but BCI has a record under one "president" that no other school can match - luckily for those schools, by the way. Every coach but one dismissed or forced out.
    Posted by Longputter[/QUOTE]

    I love how "fired" has now been transformed into "forced out".

    If you are making the argument about "forced out" add Arkansas and Arizona State to the list of schools that I listed. Each one had about six coaches forced out.

    You literally have no idea what you are talking about.  You do know the the coaches that have left BC but you literally don't seem to know about the sports administration or coaching histories at any other school. 

    When caught, you change the terms. First is is the ambigious "turnover". Then it is "fired". Then it is "forced out".

    The idea that BC fires ( or forces out) coaches at a rate than other schools is a fantasy you believe in no matter how many facts are brought to your attention.

    Want a list of schools that have forced out coaches more than BC? Army, Alabama, Auburn, Baylor, Arizona State, Arkansas. Probably Air Force as well, but I need to check.

    And this is only the "A" and "B" schools!





     

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