The Big East thrives, thank you

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    UofNDKing,

    Please live up to reputation of the schools you claim to have attended, ND and Rice, and engage in a logical discussion.  Currently you are engaging in a rock throwing exercise without supporting facts.

    Fact 1 - As the others have pointed out, BC women's soccer went to the final 4 this past year.  Their highest finish ever and included a defeat of the UNC women's soccer team and a tie with Stanford the NCAA finalist.  BC men's soccer went to the tourney . . . again.  Both teams went farther than Johns Hopkins or UVa.  JHU doesn't even play division 1 soccer.

    Fact 2 - Since the move to the ACC BC has had a number of players drafted and has gone to the NCAA tournament.  They played in the longest game in tournament history almost knocking off Texas.

    Since you seem to be logically challenged because you only make emotional arguments let me define a term you should have learned in your logic class at ND.  The term is "Ad Hominem".  Here is the definition for you:

    1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
    2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

    One would think that an ND grad would understand a nice latin term but apparently you do not.  Now, if you respond provide supporting evidence for your claim, for example, we provided facts back to your in correct claim that BC soccer is horrible.  In Wikipedia terms . . . citation needed.

    Now go do some actual research and get back to us.
     
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    You know he can't come up to argue right now.  His mom just called him for his bath and dinner.  It's hard enough to put down the controller, change his avatar and empty his septic trash bucket before bath and dinner.
     
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    Can we all conclude by these insipid posts BC was destined to lose but has grown progressively worse every year?
     
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    If that is what your UCONN education tells you is the logical conclusion, then please conclude away
     
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     ACC is Junior Varsity of Big East
     
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    Ooops the Dukies lost in Yankeeland to another Big East team in the Meca of basketball in MSG... Where is Spike Lee when you need him?

     
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     Maybe only 1 ACC team in dance, 11 Big East
     
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    In Response to Re: The Big East thrives, thank you:
    [QUOTE]LP, To echo what momort said, we know that the BE is a good basketball conference.  It was before BC moved to the ACC and still is. However, it is not a good football conference.  Further, the schools are a mishmash of different institutions many of which are classified differently. One of your complaints about moving to the ACC has been the travel.  So, let's check this, the farthest they traveled in the BE was to Miami.  Still the farthest they travel.  TCU, Marquette and a number of other schools farther away than a number of BE schools. The ACC has been excellent for many of BC's sports, i.e. soccer and baseball.  It has been good for basketball and football.  It has generate exposure in the south and generate much more revenue than the BE had for the school. One of your arguments has been the cost of running an athletic program.  I'd like to see a comparison of revenue versus expenses today versus when BC was in the BE.  I suspect that they lose money considering how many programs they run but I also suspect that the gap to profitability is much smaller. Finally, interesting that you are now touting PC basketball, a team that BC beat this year.  Sorry, you can not have it both ways.
    Posted by Eagle79[/QUOTE]

     Dream on!
     
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    Let's get a grip here.

    In the ACC, the NEAREST school is 500 miles way from Boston. In the present Big East, however, 2 teams are in New England, 3 in the metro NYC area, 1 in Phila, 1 in DC. 1 in upstate NY. That's EIGHT schools closer to The Institute than the nearest ACC foe.

    So HOW is travel equal between the 2 conferences?

    Enough with the talking points. Show us evidence that the  move has benefitted The Institute in any way but the Almighty dollar.

    But then, again, I'm forgetting the compelling advantages of our devious defection from the conference of which we were a charter member, am I not?

    After all, we are now adrift and plummeting in a so-so conference, geographical outsiders, playing FAR away in places our fans won't go to, against teams we mostly have no history with, and we have lost the prestige and fan value of competing in the most exciting conference in the country (where top teams are knocking each other over like hitmen every week), with the BEST tournament in the nation in Madison Square Garden each year, where our fans attended aplenty. AND on most nights Conte is not half-filled, at princely prices.

    So, who's got it better than us?

    Thanks again, Dear Leader and Flippo!


     
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    LP, do you ignore any point that is against you on purpose or are you just not smart enough to actually think through any one subject clearly from both sides?

    Yes, BE hoops is better...this year.  You look at the past 10-15 years and this is not the case.  The ACC has won, hands down, more NCAA titles than the BE.  This year BE, but that will continue to shift on a year to year basis.

    Yes, geographically we the ACC doesn't fit as well.  No kidding.  That said, the BE is doing the same thing by adding TCU.

    Football wise, we are a better football team by being in the ACC.  Baseball and both soccer teams are much much much better by being in the ACC.  If you need proof just look at their success since we've moved.  Women's soccer just made the final 4.

    As for hoops, Skinner had about the amount of success in both conferences.

    So, there was some good in moving (soccer, baseball, football, $$$$) and some not that good (distance, not playing our long time rivals in hoops). 

    Like everything in life, this isn't black and white, yes or no.  It's somewhere in-between.
     
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    LP - here are your "distance from Boston" metrics.  Assess them as you will, but I think it's more important to think of what the Big East COULD have been if not for an overall inability to come to consensus among all school presidents long ago, not just BC.  That fall out led to this:

    Big East Football

    West Virginia - 600 miles

    Connecticut - 85 miles

    Pittsburgh - 575 miles

    Syracuse - 310 miles

    So. Florida - 1358 miles

    Louisville - 968 miles

    Cincinnati - 868 miles

    Rutgers - 233 miles

    Hoops members:

    Seton Hall - 238 miles

    Providence - 50 miles

    St. Johns - 224 miles

    Villanova - 326 miles

    Notre Dame - 902 miles

    Marquette - 1078 miles

    Georgetown - 449 miles

    DePaul - 992 miles

    ACC

    ATLANTIC DIVISION

    Florida State - 1320 miles

    Maryland - 443 miles

    NC State - 712 miles

    Boston College 

    Clemson - 976 miles

    Wake Forest - 787 miles

    COASTAL DIVISION

    Virginia Tech - 710 miles

    Miami - 1505 miles

    North Carolina - 720 miles

    Georgia Tech– 1110 miles

    Virginia - 565 miles

    Duke - 707 miles


     
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    FYI, BC's football recruiting class was ranked 35th by Rivals and 39th by Scouts out of 120 Div I teams.  So for a team that is so bad and LP hates, being in the top 3rd seems pretty good.
     
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    LP,

    Your comments are directed at the basketball conference only.  It is quite clear that it has benefited the baseball and soccer teams.  It has also benefitted the football team.

    As noted many times before, the schools in the ACC are more academic peers than in the BE.  BC is listed as a National University in US News which follows the Carnegie Endowment classifications.  So are all the schools in the ACC.  This is not true in the BE.  The ACC also shares research dollars. 

    This is seen in the numbers of students applying to the school every year and their exposure outside the region.  The Northeast has a college age population that is shrinking, the Southeast has one that is growing.
     
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    In Response to Re: The Big East thrives, thank you:
    [QUOTE]FYI, BC's football recruiting class was ranked 35th by Rivals and 39th by Scouts out of 120 Div I teams.  So for a team that is so bad and LP hates, being in the top 3rd seems pretty good.
    Posted by momort[/QUOTE]
    momort  who cares get a life!
     
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    NDKing, come talk to me when you are more than 11 years old.


     
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    Eagle79,

    How about sharing with us:

         1. The research dollars The Institute got from the ACC;

         2. The surge in students who enroll here from ACC land as a result of the move. 

         3. A school-by-school comparison of BC vs ACC schools.

    And with some FACTS, please.
     

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