The Black Athlete: BC has some work to do

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    The Black Athlete: BC has some work to do

    The Saturday, December 11th, edition of the Globe reported that Note Dame graduates 97% of its black athletes, while BC lags with an 86% rating.

    Seems there is quite a bit of catching up to do to near the production of our peer Catholic school.
     
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    Re: The Black Athlete: BC has some work to do

    Yo LP,
    You've ignored my offer, but it's still on the table.

    Anyhow, I just don't get all the fuss about merit scholarships.  Almost none of BC's peer institutions offer merit scholarships (South Bend included!) And neither should BC because the priority should be giving money to those who most need it.

    You may not know that BC is one of only a handful of private universities in the country with a 'need-blind', 'full need' admission policy.  That means that BC does not consider an applicant's ability to pay when making acceptance decisions, and moreover, that BC guarantees to pay 100% of demonstrated need of EVERY student admitted.

    Obviously, most private universities opt not to have 'need-blind/full-need' admissions because it puts a huge burden on the school's endowment. It's much cheaper to consider need during the admission process.  That way, you can weed out applicants who can't pay -- then you don't have to worry about coming up with financial aid for them. This is the strategy that BU, Tufts, and the great majority of private universities have adopted.  With the money they save, they can then target (a relatively few) smart kids by offering merit scholarships.

    But, BC, for all its flaws, does try to be a Catholic university, and has thus committed itself to need blind/full need admissions because it is the just thing to do.  Any applicant who is accepted to go to BC should be able to attend, irrespective of their ability to pay. Yes, it costs the university a heck of a lot of money every year.  Yes, we could abandon need-blind admissions and use the money instead on merit scholarships, as LP and other alums have proposed.  But I'd rather have an institution which uses its money to allow everyone to attend rather than to 'buy' a few smart kids. Call me a socialist.  I'm just a Christian.
     
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    Re: The Black Athlete: BC has some work to do

    In Response to Re: The Black Athlete: BC has some work to do:
    [QUOTE]Yo LP, You've ignored my offer, but it's still on the table. Anyhow, I just don't get all the fuss about merit scholarships.  Almost none of BC's peer institutions offer merit scholarships (South Bend included!) And neither should BC because the priority should be giving money to those who most need it. You may not know that BC is one of only a handful of private universities in the country with a 'need-blind', 'full need' admission policy.  That means that BC does not consider an applicant's ability to pay when making acceptance decisions, and moreover, that BC guarantees to pay 100% of demonstrated need of EVERY student admitted. Obviously, most private universities opt not to have 'need-blind/full-need' admissions because it puts a huge burden on the school's endowment. It's much cheaper to consider need during the admission process.  That way, you can weed out applicants who can't pay -- then you don't have to worry about coming up with financial aid for them. This is the strategy that BU, Tufts, and the great majority of private universities have adopted.  With the money they save, they can then target (a relatively few) smart kids by offering merit scholarships. But, BC, for all its flaws, does try to be a Catholic university, and has thus committed itself to need blind/full need admissions because it is the just thing to do.  Any applicant who is accepted to go to BC should be able to attend, irrespective of their ability to pay. Yes, it costs the university a heck of a lot of money every year.  Yes, we could abandon need-blind admissions and use the money instead on merit scholarships, as LP and other alums have proposed.  But I'd rather have an institution which uses its money to allow everyone to attend rather than to 'buy' a few smart kids. Call me a socialist.  I'm just a Christian.
    Posted by southernmiss[/QUOTE]

    SM -

    Not sure you were on the boards a few months ago but the reason LP wants merit based aid and not need-based aid is very simple: he believes that merit-based aid tends to aid white people while need-based aid receipients are from a much wider range of ethnic and racial backgrounds.

    LP sees merit-based aid as benefitting white people and need-based aid as benefitting minorities.

    This was one of LP's first gripes. When he realized that - unlike him - none of us are card carrying members of the Klan, he swiftly changed his tune. But that is the origins of his gripes. This is where his nickname of Longracist comes from.

    He doesn't bring it up any more becuase he knows people will hammer him for it, but what bothers him is not how the aid is rewarded. Rather it is who the aid is awarded to. I think he went back and deleted all his posts on the subject but others here will confirm his declarations that need-based aid is reserved "ALAHNA types". I forget his exact words and doubt we can find them in the archive , but that is the jist of it.  A few other folks on these boards can shoudl be able to confirm it.

    LP thinks that if you are a white Boston-area Catholic who has relatives who went to BC you should get a free ride.

    It is the core of the entitlement mentality of LP: white Catholics should go to BC for free, no one should ever have to pay anything for tickets and no one who has a job at BC should ever be fired.


    He bends over backwards to pretend he is racially progressive now, but probably the main reason people first got so riled up over him was his blatant racial resentments.




     
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    Re: The Black Athlete: BC has some work to do

    Southernmiss,

    There is an element that maybe you don't know.

    Unlike most comparable schools, the BCI (nee  BC) aid formula has a  school "modification" (Dear Leader's word) which includes one or more assets  that are not taken into consideration by others.

    That makes a good deal of difference in what is given. And THAT makes a difference as to whether a student comes here.

    To expect, as I read your post to say, that every student admitted here will carry his/her full freight is unrealistic. Except for the rich, that can't be done by most families today, especially if there are multiple kids to educate.

    Let's get financial aid awarded fairly and equally.

    And let's also get the minority enrollment as well as minority placement in school administration up to full equality - i.e. 50%

    Not ONE of the name callers here has endorsed the latter proposal.

    Why is that, do you suppose?

    Peace.


     
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    [QUOTE]Southernmiss , There is an element that maybe you don't know. Unlike most comparable schools, the BCI (nee  BC) aid formula has a  school "modification" (Dear Leader's word) which includes one or more assets  that are not taken into consideration by others. That makes a good deal of difference in what is given. And THAT makes a difference as to whether a student comes here. To expect, as I read your post to say, that every student admitted here will carry his/her full freight is unrealistic. Except for the rich, that can't be done by most families today, especially if there are multiple kids to educate. Let's get financial aid awarded fairly and equally. And let's also get the minority enrollment as well as minority placement in school administration up to full equality - i.e. 50% Not ONE of the name callers here has endorsed the latter proposal. Why is that, do you suppose? Peace.
    Posted by Longputter[/QUOTE]

    LP, why have you refused my call to have minority enrollment and makeup of the administration reflect true equality - i.e. 83.6%?
     
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    Re: The Black Athlete: BC has some work to do

    LP,

    As Momort, JG and SM have said, we think you have it wrong.  In another thread you said you do not have access to the USNews Stats yet you do know what the alumni giving rate is for a number of schools, i.e. HC and ND.  So, if you are not getting those stats there where are you getting them?

    I also posted the information you requested but for you to see it directly you will need to have a US News account.  Perhaps you can spring for the $20 it costs so you can be more enlightened in these discussions.  As I posted in another thread it appears that BC is giving more merit aid than they have in the past.  And as SM said, they meet 100% of demonstrated need.  I cited the lines in the US News stats where you can see that information.

    In your post above you said:

    Unlike most comparable schools, the BCI (nee  BC) aid formula has a  school "modification" (Dear Leader's word) which includes one or more assets  that are not taken into consideration by others.

    You need to support this.  In Wikipedia terms, citation needed.  What is the modification, what assets and when you say "others", all others?  Some others?  Comparable schools, which are those?

    I have cited it a number of times and do not have time to go chase it down right now but BC is also part of an organization that provides 100% of financial need and how it is assessed.  Most of these schools use the CSS profile which takes into account other assets that may be available which is different than just the FAFSA which is just income.

    My point is, BC does quite well for its students in financial aid.  As SM said, I am proud that they university will meed 100% of demonstrated need.  Most schools do not.  Apparently you are not . . .

    With that said, as we continue to say, the school is not perfect.  It is why they are always working to improve itself.  Yet you fail to recognize that.  You state the alumi giving rate is pathetic yet it is higher than it was under Fr. Monan and in the top 12% of National Universities.  So, at what percentage does it change from pathetic to fair then to good then to excellent?  We all would like to know since most National Universities, at least 88% of them, would be listed as pathetic using your system.

    JG, the AHANA enrollment in 2006-2007 was 24% and there were 5.3% International students.  Here is the link to the BC page on Wikipedia . . . which includes citations.
     
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    Re: The Black Athlete: BC has some work to do

    who cares
     
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    Re: The Black Athlete: BC has some work to do

    LP;
    It would appear that in your zeal to create "equality" you would skew the percentage of minority enrollment at the school in favor of minorities, at which point you would then have provided yourself ammunition for your first contention, that the school is prejudicial against you and yours who "merit" entry and financial aid.
    The difference in graduation rates between BC and ND, can be summed up in simple stats.
    With 85 Football scholarships available the four most high profile transfers, Davis, Tuggle, Phifer and Hayden, which were transfers for athletic advantage would explain the lower rate quite easily. With an average of 5% loss of frosh entrants added to the 5% lost due to these transfers and a 3% margin of error, there really is little difference, just a roadblock in the RB and the QB positions. The sad thing is that had Had Tuggle stayed, he would have started this year. Hayden, a highly recruited 4 star athlete was beaten out for the starting TB position by Montel Harris, a 2 star late scholarship offer. You can try to make more of an issue, but this was an episodic anomaly rather than a trait.
    To demand a 50%, minimum,  African American admission rate, as that is the context of the term minority that you used, forces other students, Asian, Native American, White and Latino, to split the spoils, and is inherently biased, requiring the school admit blacks at 300% the population rate while denying others. 
    Football scholarships do tend to be awarded to black athletes commensurate with their skills, the same tends to be reflected in other sports.
     

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