Re: EMASS Girls Hockey 2011-2012
posted at 2/10/2012 1:32 PM EST
In Response to Re: EMASS Girls Hockey 2011-2012
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: EMASS Girls Hockey 2011-2012 : Its always been that way in BCS Herget has been better over the years, Mom I know you are amped up about next year in coming freshmen but they will be still freshmen. Until they straighten out whats going on with those coaches the kids will get to HS and level off. This game is skating and passing Fram. can not continue on this path. They have athletes but no hockey sense and they are not being taught the correct way of playing. They have a long list of players that came to the school from club programs and never got any better than their freshman year, Davis, Desimone, Brown, Manzella (best hands in league) Wilder, Agostinelli, Curran, Smith the big defensemen. Sorry these girls were great youth players that leveled off in HS because of the lack of coaching. Carey is weak division Framingham will make playoffs and coaching will be patted on back. Same every year (except this year) I feel bad for underclassman and younger.
Posted by metrofan[/QUOTE]
Natick, Norwood and Walpole only began being competitive about 4 yrs ago. Needham and North were also pretty good back then as well.
But let's dive into the crust of your argument. I have reviewed your 25 posts dating back to last year. You have had multiple posts regarding Framingham so that leads me to believe you have someone in the program. I know that Hockeymoms Rule has a daughter on the team and she make no secret of it. Do you have someone in the program?
Framingham has athletes is correct. Athletes do not translate to good hockey players. Yes, skating is the key. The Ukraine national Pee Wee team is in the US and practiced in Winchester recently. They are preparing for the Pee Wee tourney up in Quebec. There coach said he didn't touch a puck in practice until he was a teenager. There practices consist of skating and no pucks.
So here is the debate: Should a player have the basic hockey skills before they get to high-school? If they don't have those skills should they play JV? Is high-school hockey more about taking a players raw basic abilities and molding them around hockey systems and hockey sense?
Now back to Framingham. First, they are short on numbers. That means no cuts and girls who may be not up to the level are going to make the team. Second, the girls are not hard on the puck or fast skaters. Is this something the girls should take the initiative to get better on there own or should valuable ice time be spent on proper skating techniques and developing being hard on the puck. I believe they had a thing called "power skating" when I was a kid. You get 50 mins of ice 4 times a week if you are lucky. And of that 50 mins it could be split with JV.
Okay so I think we have established basic hockey skill deficiencies with the Flyers. Let's now look at the coaching. From the games I've seen and I see a lot of girls D1 and D2 games including the Flyers, I see the following:
They appear to run the box plus 1. This is pretty standard in girls hockey. They appear to play wing on wing in the neutral zone. The forecheck appears to be the L, again standard in girls hockey (tough to tell if really the L due to lack of speed to initiate the L), large box on the PK and I there PP is some kind of shooting pp (possibly). Also, a poster from last yr mentioned seeing the Flyer's coaching staff scouting Arlington in the event they drew them in the tourney. So on hockey knowledge and sense I would say they appear to have some clue.
Now they leaves the intangibles. How do the girls like the staff, how is there chemistry? I could imagine it must be pretty tough to coach teen girls, you posters have daughters so think about having 20 to deal with. Next, how is the relationship between the parents and the coaching staff?
It comes down to this, you can only do so much. To use some of your example players above, only Manzella was a great player. She was playing D3 at UMass Boston. I am surprised you left Katie Cox off your list as she had 303 points and was the best player ever to come out of Framingham. Every other player you mentioned was an okay player. I also didn't see any mention of the JV players who didn't even know how to skate but when on years later to contribute at the varsity level. Hartwell and Wright come to mind and maybe Bernas.
Are the coaches in Framingham the best in the state, NO. Are there some things they could do different, PROBABLY. The same could be said about 90 percent of the coaches in girls hockey.
Are the Framingham Flyers full of girls who play hockey year round and attend summer camps to improve there basic hockey skills, NO. How long has Framingham had a girls U team, 3 Years.
My apologies for being so long winded but as a former coach it really gets me going when people come on and start trashing them. These men and women give a lot of time and effort to it. They are not professionals or even college coaches. There job is to prepare kids for life THROUGH sports. I have been around and programs go in cycles, its always 85 percent the players you have and 15 percent the coaches. That is the same win or lose.