posted at 2/9/2007 7:53 AM EST
A recent Boston Globe story suggested Native Americans find the school nicknames and mascots of many area squads offensive. Quoting from the story: At least 46 high schools in Massachusetts have mascots, logos, ornicknames, like Chieftains, Indians, and Tomahawks, drawn from NativeAmerican culture. For years, Native American advocates have urged theschools to drop the nicknames, but their efforts have gone mostlyunheeded.
On Thursday, the MIAA admitted it was unsure if it had the power to force schools to change their nicknames and logos.
How do you think the situation should be resolved? Should schools with Native American-themed mascots change their nicknames? Is the issue being overhyped?
posted at 2/9/2007 9:25 AM EST
I don't think schools name their teams after people to offend them, I think they do it to honor them and portray strength and ability of a particular group. I grew up in Framingham. The Flyers are named In honor of the pilots in WWII. It's funny that when this topic comes up nobody complains about the Celtics Leprechaun mascot smoking a pipe or the Notre Dame Fighting Irish. Yes, I am an Irish American and it seems that people need to develop a thicker skin. Now, I agree that mascots that depict any violence or demeaning characters toward a minority should be discussed or changed to reflect a positive image. FSU does not need to have an Indian chief throw a flaming spear, but there is nothing wrong with a team named after the local indigenous people. Isn't Tallahassee in Seminole county? Natick would not be Natick if they weren't the Redmen. I just don't see the "offensive "side of this.(in most cases)
posted at 2/10/2007 12:38 PM EST
Chowdahead, I completely agree with you. Everyone - white, black, everyone - should be thicker skinned. Easy for me to say that because I am white ? Maybe. What do those who charge racism say about minority hiring and quotas when "minorities" are landing jobs with lower civil service scores ? Oh, that's right.... it's not politically correct to bring that into the arguement.
I do not believe in singling out Indian tribes, nor any other group. Therefore, if schools who have used these so-called offensive nicknames for so many years are forced to drop those names, I guess we are going to have to take away the land tax exemptions that Indian tribes receive. We also won't be able to allow only Indian tribes to build casinos that would make millions of dollars for those tribes in this state. Afterall, we don't want to single any group out.
I live in Framingham. Natick is our rival. I will admit that since I am not an Indian, it is not as easy for me to see the "racism" or "offensiveness" that the name Redmen brings to the Natick athletic teams. All I can say is that whenever I see a Natick team play, or read about them in the paper, I never once think of "Redmen" in a way that is meant as derogatory. Quite the opposite. I have only ever thought that it is meant in a positive, respectful way.
posted at 2/12/2007 3:49 PM EST
i agree with you a little, but no1 went through what the native americans did. We took their whole entire home and killed most of them. But ya the Irish's potato famine or drinking problemscan be compared to tht?
posted at 2/12/2007 6:38 PM EST
I just don't see what is offensive, it is meant as an honor. The 49ers, Steelers, Patriots, Minutemen, Texas Rangers, Vancouver Canucks, Oilers, Knicks, Cavaliers, Sooners, Cornhuskers are all named after local people that made up the region's history. If the mascot is portrayed as violent, then that goes too far, but the name of a team is meant as an honor. Funny that Algonquin HS is on the list because of their teamname and not the name of the school. What about Nashoba, Masco, Minnechaug, Mashpee, and yes even Natick? Should they change the name of the entire school? I want to see the other side of this. Could somebody post and tell me why the naming of a sports team, intended as an honor/source of pride, is offensive. Keep in mind that I agree that violent portrayals or charicatures by the mascot should should be done away with.
posted at 2/12/2007 7:53 PM EST
You know what, I agree with you about those names. After thinking about the Redmen and Redskins, they should not be using those terms. But the article that starts this thread lists all NA names of schools. I still think that a team such as the Braintree Wamps is meant to honor the heritage of the town. I agree with the offensiveness of terms denoting "Red" as the color of NA skin. Maybe there is a happy medium or a compromise, neither of which are strong suits of the MIAA.
posted at 2/13/2007 10:06 AM EST
I regret that I wasted 20 seconds of my life to read the ridiculous posts by Lancers. Don't be an idiot. While most people here are taking the time to be level-headed in their posts, you throw out the trash that you do. "White Bitches" or "Racist Irishmen" ? Last I checked, I don't think anyone was in favor of "Black_____" or "Spanish _____." I don't see what your cute nicknames have to do with Raiders or Warriors. Grow up.
posted at 3/13/2007 8:18 PM EDT
My feelings toward the nickname discussion is to get rid of every single nickname from every school, college, university and so on, because i surely do not want any race or any uppity homosexual to be offended this is a nickname stuff is such crap