Re: THOUGHTS ON THE REDEMPTION OF MICHAEL VICK.... ON RIGHT TRACK?
posted at 11/21/2010 10:56 AM EST
redd, i mIn Response to Re: THOUGHTS ON THE REDEMPTION OF MICHAEL VICK.... ON RIGHT TRACK?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: THOUGHTS ON THE REDEMPTION OF MICHAEL VICK.... ON RIGHT TRACK? : You're mistaken. Running a red light when a policeman is behind you is a dumb decision. Vick led a LIFESTYLE! In other words he made THOUSANDS of dumb decisions! Buy a piece of property for illegal dogfighting? Dumb decision (hereafter DD). Purchasing a dog? DD. Purchasing another dog? DD. Showing up at a dogfight? DD. Showing up at another one tomorrow? DD. Placing a bet of them? DD. Traveling to variouys arena's to fight them? DD. Allowing your cousin tt admito deal drugs out of the kennels that held dogs? DD. See, he didn't make a A dumusb decisions. He made a series of multiple bad decisions, in the thousands of DD ! So, what "hue" am I? The type of hue that regrets some of our countries actions from HUNDREDS of years ago but realize that no US citizen TODAY is a slave? The type of hue that tires of hearing "my ancestors were slaves" as an excuse to not have to strive as hard as Non-slavery descendants? I really don't re-call hearing any whites complaining of their ancestors being held in slavery, yet they were! By the thousands! But we realize that the past is the past, hitch up our pants and carry on rather than maintain a bitter attitude simply because of something that happened centuries ago.
Posted by ReddsGhost[/QUOTE] redd, i must admit you and paob are kind of going where i hoped the thread would include when i originally posted. just keep being respectful even as you disagree. i do not agree with your view but i am learning more from your perspective. overall, my focus was to be directly about his FOOTBALL redemption, as i also see the situation of big ben. about them making better decisions in the now both on and off the field so we all get to enjoy the showcasing of their talents and not distracted by all the PR distractions of their controversial off-field dynamics.
in vick's case, there is a racial ancestral dynamic mr. redd. you cant see that for you have clearly benefited from generational white male privileges to the point where you cant just see the long term consequences. like it or not, the choices of your great grand daddy is having major positive dividends for ya. likely if he came to this country, he didnt come in chains and was not relegated to a socially inferior dawg culture. he was able to own a house and buy property (which included blacks at the time), get educated, move up in social staus and lifestyle and easily make his forebears dream in that direction. if black, you simply were not afforded such opportunitiies. heck, the great bill russell spells it out everyday. he was not able to live in certain neighborhoods which impacted how high his property was able to accrue in value even in comparison to absolute white scrubs on his team and the league. he was not able to tap into his home equity to easily send his kids to the first colleges of their choice and so on. same with a colin powell in comparison to a rumsfeld and his peers. he may have the same income as his peers but because they enjoy the multiple-generational privileges of white-male freedom and economic stature, they are able to enjoy far superior lifestyles and set up their kids and future generations in much better ways. ditto with a tiger woods and others. your high value standards are unfortunately still an IDEAL and distant reality for many blacks and power racial minorities. you can afford those values, they still cant in spite of how big their self-earned big accounts may be. in a few generations, their great grand kids will easily be able to share your multi-generational success values as a norm. you cant just dismiss history because its inconvenient for ya publically.
you know in private, with your wife and kids, that you talk about your history without the inconveniences of slavery. per example, you dont have to trace your name history via the perspective of immediate lineage relatives being owned and being constitutionally a percentage of a human with no voting stake or rights within the country they are born into.
redd, its funny how you and so many of my white brethren, can find it so easy to bond and rightfully empathize with dogs, hamsters and lobsters but simply cant bring yourself to do so with your power minority fellow citizens and HUMANS! in conclusion, vick's cruelty to animals should be condemned and called out, but yep his REDEMPTION thus far proves that there are so many black men and other power-minorities who could be reached with such structured setups that mr. vick has benefited him. kudos to the goodells and tony dungys of the world... heck, even the bill belichicks.. he does lots of work quietly with BLACK prisoners via jim brown's group in his spare time. and yep, our great belichick is an open private liberal and DEMOCRAT! not that republicans and conservatives cant reach the same conclusions. george and laura bush per example when not forced to demonize power minorities for their political minions also seem to get it. so to redd and others like him, spread your compassion and empathy to more of your fellow HUMANS and their HISTORIES in this nation, not to just conveniently project them to dogs, lobsters and so on!.