2010 Patriots Draft=BEST New England Draft in 5 years...bare minimum & bar none

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    Who are the guys from this draft most likely to make an immediate impact?
     
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    I'm one of those people that worry about Spikes, but I feel alot better hearing Belicheck say he is as fast as Mayo getting to the ball etc. If this is true then he will be a steal.
     
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    This betters the 2003 draft. That was BB's best.  2009 looks very nice too, but this was really good. It's much better than the 2005 draft, it would appear on paper.  BB took a top 3 ranked player at 4 need positions:  CB, TE, MLB and P.  The special teams, passing game, red zone offense, balanced offense (crucial for change) got an immediate upgrade overnight.    I also feel this secondary is far, far better than the average or jealous troll fan from another team thinks. As much as the pass rush is a problem, if BB feels this Cunningham kid is a McGinest type of player on the edge, that can be a disruption, then I am all for it.  3-4 OLB is very difficult to find for the pro game.  This is not the Mike Nolan 3-4, this is the BB 3-4.  Raw, but with upside. Very intriguing under the radar pick. Like the late OL conversion picks. A couple of projects for Scarnecchia. He loves those. I get giddy when I see this Taylor Price on You Tube.  I admit I never saw him play in college so I am only going by that clip, but impressive. Screams Patriot.   Fearless, runs every kind of route, hands, tough, etc.  Perfect style WR.  No Dez Bryant's needed here. I really thought BB was masterful scoring Spikes and Hernandez AND a 2nd rd pick in 2011 from Carolina when he didn't even have a 3rd to begin with. Just genius. Period. Spikes is one of those old school non-Mel Kiper players.  Not the best measruables, but the 2nd ranked MLB in Round 3?  Excellent value.  Screams Patriot again.   And Hernandez is going to be a nightmare for slot defenders, either Safeties or LBs. Good luck with that, Jets.  Gronkowksi is the Witten beast type and Hernandez is mroe of the slot H Back Dallas Clark type.  The running game is immediately upgraded not just from a blocking persepective at TE, but with the idea that you know have to respect this team's TE position. Ben Watson was good at times, but hurt a lot, disappeared for games and dropped balls.  A disappointment.  I am really happy to see Brady get two different styles of TEs here. FINALLY.  Legit top notch TEs.  Graham was a blocker.  God bless the guy, but these TEs are head and shoulders more gifted than either Graham or Watson.  Hard to say that, but I cannot imagine it being more mediocre than that was. Pats lost FOUR GAMES last year due to the OFFENSE. Not Defense. Offense.  @ NY, @ Denver, @ Miami and @ Houston (where they laid down). You could also add in in Indy where they left points on the field.  People seem to forget this either because it involved Brady or beacuse they followed the anti-BB media lead all year long. I am giddy thinking about the commitment to TE and running the ball more a la pre 2007, where no one knew where the ball was going, AND we have Moss and Edleman/Welker here.  We didn't have Moss/Welker in 2006 or 2005 or 2004. You get the idea. This is the key. Balance on offense. More methodical drives, running the balll better, etc. We seem to forget Tom Brady was pretty incredible with Reche Caldwell and Ben Watson. HUGE, HUGE upgrades. Immediately. Love it. With McKenzie hungry, hopefully heallty more knowledgeable competing with Spikes at MLB, WR Tate coming back and hoepefully ready to learn from Moss and Holt on the flank, some nice depth moves in FA, etc, etc, and McCourty to compete with Butler at LCB, I am really exicted. I predicted an '86 Niners type impact draft and I think BB got it here.
    Posted by russgriswold


    russ and ALL:

    I was busy earlier and couldn't get to read any but the first few posts on page 1, But I gotta say, Your posts in this thread have been sound, reasonable, informed, and just sorta cool-headed in a way lol...excellent insights here man, no doubt.

    ~I really came away thinking very similiar thoughts about how Bill Belichick is harkening back to what worked in the past during our championship runs.  Whether it be in a Draft, How you CANNOT sell short player skill and draft purely for great intangibles, and come away as a coach thinking that your scheme is 1000 times superior to any good skilled players... 


    Yet russ, you enlightened me as to what else it looks like Belichcik is doing with these guys, i.e. MORE things that worked well in the past...

    RE: Offense- Hernandez first...it was either Nick or you who had a good post about how Hernandez will not be seen much as a standard TE lined up at the LOS beside tackle...Excellent Point.  And you're right, either as some H-Back/#2 WR OR a hybrid of both, THIS does equal some matchup nightmare for Big enough, but slow LBs, and/or fast enough, but too small CBs and even some safeties. 
         And onto Gronkowski...A sick blocker just like Graham was for us, and just 10 times the better pass-catcher than Graham was...heck, he'll be 10 times the better pass-catcher than Watson, who was the poor blocker, but whom had hands of stone AND bad route-trees.
         So keep in mind THESE things about Gronkowski and Hernandez as its taken with the other post either you or Nick did, about how Taylor Price looks something like a hard-chargin' Branch/Givens of the past, BOTH places me at ease and Makes Me Conclude The Following:

    ~STUFF THAT WORKED DURING NE'S CHAMPION TEAMS:  Ball-control offense, Far less singular in skill-set players = An Offense that CONTROLLED the game...  BOTH with the ball-control, long drives that simply wear out a D and the gameclock, AND far more importantly than even that, VERSATILITY.  No singular draftees like a wideout who's a blazer, but runs bad routes, OR a TE who's a good blocker, but an awful pass-catcher, or vice-versa...  Bill Belichick, by drafting very versatile players with NO UNreal skill-set in 1 single aspect of their gameplay, INSTEAD selected players with NO real WEAKNESSES in their skill-set.  Now, that don't make for a big "Wow" factor in NOT selecting the guys like 6'3 225lb 4.4 40 running Taylor Mays (but he cannot read an offensive play for jack-sh^t), BUT what it DOES do-  Is Win Games. 
         Your team AND players (system & personell), Is now the one who can game-plan for the OTHER team.  By NOT selecting that totally unbelievable in 1 aspect of their skills (but completely lacking in another), Belichick targeted guys with NO weak aspect in their game skills, And THIS means you have the versatile player and playmakers who can find and exploit the weak-aspects and weak-links of the OTHER team's Defense, Players and overall Schematics.  Think Randy Moss here people:  NO player imo has EVER been the deep-field threat that Moss is...but he ain't that great whatsoever and isn't built for going over the middle.  Now, I LOVE having Moss on this team, BUT when NE started taking guys like Moss, who have certain BIG shortcomings in their game, yet who have just some unimaginable but very specific and hus very singular aspect(s) in their game, The New England Patriots gave up CONTROL.  You are NOW gameplanning for and WITH your players skills, and NOT gameplanning for and AGAINST the other guy's weaknesses.  Get it?  You've now pigeon-holed yourself in certain player's great but select abilities, and thus your system schematics, plays and EVERYthing is now more limited, and thus: exploitable.

    RE: Defense- Bill Belichick NOW drafted players who made his Defense top-notch.  He got smash-mouth and aggressive as he!! players...  Asante Samuel who could turn an INT into a pick 6, but who didn't like to dirty his jersey (ever)= These guys are O-U-T.  Who's In?  Attackers...  A CB who looks and feels just eerily like Ty Law.  A Strongside ILB who looks and feels just eerily like Ted Johnson.  AND a weakside OLB pass-rushing specialist who looks and feels eerily like Willie Mac.  
         Kinda very coincidental, don'tcha ALL think?  Targeting guys who are just hard-charging, aggressive and who LOVE and have a passion to play like this...
         Heck, Belichick even shored up his former BIG-time Special Teams play-makers in 1 turned to 2 moves:  Getting the best Punter in 4-5 entire draft classes AND with Devin McCourty's sick and added Special Team's playmaking.  Again: Eerily coincidental, huh?


    ~~And shoot, some may disagree...BUT I liked even at the time BEFORE they lost the '07 SB, The 2001 Superbowl Team OVER the 2007 Offensive juggernaut and less smash-mouth defense, a million times better.  I LOVED Brady throwing to whomever was open, using every play on long extended drives, coupled with just a fearless and aggressive defense.  I know the '07 team mighta sold more hearts of Country Club Members who like high-scoring, BUT the '01 team stole more hearts of true gridiron fans who wanted to watch and FEEL that The Patriots were breaking the backs and wills by just punishing other squads...
         Who knows, I guess I'm just a happy-go-lucky sadist deep down, ya know: I don't want 'em beat, I just want them demoralized, smashed into the turf, then hit by a brick; I don't care how much they were beaten by in a 30 second quick 1 or 2 big hit knockout fight, I DO care in beating them ruthlessly into submission, so they are just sick to their stomach-terrified of you forever.  Cute, huh?
     
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    This draft has so many stories to it. First of all the opening trade with Denver to gain an additional 4rth was key, and then when Dallas came a knocking so they could draft Dez wow what a break. I could probably spend an hour on the trade aspects of this draft, but I'll just keep it simple, BB schooled the NFL GM's in the art of manipulating the board. As for the picks themselves each one is unique unto themselves, but as a whole they could be a devastating cast of characters.
    First guy BB drafted is McCourty, and he is a speed CB that hits like a SS! His next target was Gronkowski there was no way he would have entered training camp with just Crumpler as the TE,so after 2 picks BB has solved 3 positions KR,NCB and TE. The next pick is the important one because with out drafting the Hybrid OLB/DE he would have been up the creek without a paddle,so went to his private stash of players at one of his Tree Coached schools,Florida !Viola there he was Cunningham the under rated DE/OLB of the future!! Now I know you guys might not believe this next part but Spikes is the best part of having so many Ex assistants working in College football,cause when BB needed to hit a home run Urban supplied the guys for him to accomplish the much needed Homer.I'm not 100% sure but I really think that BB had Decker pencilled in at the first 3rd round pick he had,but Josh burned him and slipped in the back door and snaked him away! So BB in his usual way simply traded that pick to Carolina for a second round pick next year. After that manuaver he goes to the MEAC and grabs a speed WR with hands that are huge,Price didn't wow them during his College career but he did show up well at the Senior Bowl. The next pick in the BB super draft was a beauty Aaron Hernandez who I had ranked as no worse than the 3rd best TE in the draft based upon production and the best part of his being picked is that BB has worked with him at least the last 2 years..So we now have most of the elements of a really impressive draft in place,about the only thing they could use at this point is a punter,and like magic BB drafts the best available one in this years draft.The only thing to really draft at this point is a solid Defensive end and some projects and of course since this draft is chock full of players that other teams overlooked,BB decided to spend his next 2 picks on toys for Dante Scarnecchia can't have Dante just sitting around with nothing to do!!! Well just when you think this draft is over the surprise pick of the draft arises from the ashes,ladies and gentlemen may I proudly introduce to you all the next DE for the Patriots form the University of Alabama drum roll please: Brandon Deaderick the guy who singlehandedly took Colt McCoy out fo the National championship game!! This guy was the glue to the Bama defense and he pushed every RB in towards McClain so we all know who got the ink, but in the long run this guy was the man....For giggles BB added another clipboard holder in Zac Robinson but not the normal run of the mill clipboard holder this is the guy who was chucking the ball to the Great Dez Bryant and the year before that he was heaving the rock in Brandon Pettigrews direction also! This my friends was like Drafting in Wonderland..I almost called and asked if they could extend this years draft and then I thought about it for a second and it came to me in a flash! BB had already extended this draft until next year by trading with the Panthers again! See you next year suckas thats all you could hear as the Patriots draft bus pulled away from RCMH with the cheshire cats grins from ear to ear...Now back to the real world nice thread Laz!

     
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    It'll be a great draft after we see what the actual contributions are from these players over the next 3 seasons. Till then its all in someones head.  I'm sure every draft the people who make the picks feel they have done their best and its wait and see. This 'great draft' attitude is premature and certainly cheer leading at this point.  The most I'll say is they certainly have a lot of potential there. Thats a good sign. Now lets see what actually happens.
    Posted by gridlocked


    As I have tried to state also, you have hit the nail directly on the head. All the hopes and wishful thinking stop the very day these players are on the field and start to play. Until then, its just wishful thinking.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Patriots Draft=BEST New England Draft in 5 years...bare minimum & bar none : As I have tried to state also, you have hit the nail directly on the head. All the hopes and wishful thinking stop the very day these players are on the field and start to play. Until then, its just wishful thinking.
    Posted by Wendylee03


    That's what I'm talkin 'bout fellas, especially you there Wendylee.  PRECISELY!  Like say for instance, That you like a good apple.  No, You simply LOVE apples!  And say that boy oh boy, do you KNOW your apples man...  Your the Johnny Appleseed of lovin apples.  No, You ARE Johnny Appleseed.  The one and only; Ya even sport a side slingin' metal saucepan for a day hat, as it is.  And wow, YOU just came across the freshest, one of the best lookin apples that you've seen in a DECADE!  Even thouh ya think it looks great and is a good apple ta taste, Ya never know til ya try it, Do You?  No weird holes though in it, good look, color, strong feel (no "mush" factor is simply h-u-g-e)...  So really, ya got NO sensible reason to think it's bad.  But in the end, what you gotta do becomes clearer and clearer...a no-brainer in your opin.  Your best off trashin' dat suckah...  Honestly, NO apple looks THAT good in a DECADE, and really, trully IS that good in reality.  NO Way, no how.  The obvious action here, is to just chuck this fake prize as far away as possible & simply pray ya can come across a few a' the apples that you HAVE been gettin' lately...  Sure they were mushy, cr^ddy to the look AND taste, BUT you KNEW what you were bitin' into with those babys...yup-Zero disappointment when you know its gonna s^ck from the get-go.   
     
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    think just about the mechanics of the draft...no 3 or 5 we drop back get two 3's improve the position of the 4 and get a five.... later we take one of the 3's and get a 2 next year....and in the later rounds 4 hogs on both sides of the ball not to mention free agents..   are you kidding me?? people just dont get bill and it will be a black day when he retires..which hopefully isnt for a long time...  but for now back to smashmouth and the start of a new run
     
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    To ALL : Look people, there are a very, very select few on this messageboard who think the way I do about The NFL Draft...  I follow potential draftees on a score of scouting sites almost EVERY single day for 12 Months of the year.  This might sound completely heretical to some, Yet for me and a few odd others, The NFL Draft is better than The Superbowl...and I'm dead-serious.  So like me or not, like the draft or not, I'd like to think that after following it as a dedicated diehard draftnut 24-7 for 10 years, AND following New England Football since I was roughly 7 or 8 in the early-mid 1980's, I hopefully GOT some clout here... The New England Patriots Franchise had a SOLID Draft this year, period point blank.  To those that follow draftees for all of 1 month or less, each year...they have the great novelty of saying, "Hey, WhyTH did Belichick select some 3rd rated CB overall, when the 2nd rated CB was STILL on the big board!?!"  I really wish I was this dedicated in my uninformed conclusions ANYwhere in life really... Make NO mistake, New Englands top 4 Selections are S-T-U-D-S.  And I ain't a koll-aid drinker, because I've written several threads plastering Bill Belichick's approach to drafting over the past 4-5 years...  One can only sell-short for so long, the Overall team need and fit AND a specific draftees physical football skills, In Place Of Doing INSTEAD-Several a year multi-round reaches for lesser skilled players, simply because those lesser skilled players have "Leadership" and "Team-Mentality" and "Good-work ethics"...  ~ YET see, Bill Belichick did NOT make the same tragic mistake imo THIS year, as he DID in the past 5 or so years...  Bill Belichick beautifully intertwined On-Field Skills of a Draftee(s) WITH These Draftees INtangibles such as their passion to play the game.      Devin McCourty IS the ONLY Cornerback in this draft who I believed over a month ago (and wrote a thread on it), Who can be the next NOT #1 CB on this team, But top CB in this LEAGUE.  He is nasty...and McCourty does the CB job correct...Just sick reaction skills married with top football IQ and a LOVE of this game...Tackles, Strips balls, Baits QBs, Doesn't overjump routes, attacks the run...Oh and yea-He's a freakin' Special Teams ACE, dear god.       Spikes's slow 40 time on a track field, doesn't mean jack after you look at HIS football instincts, his angles to the play, his willingness to sacrifice his body straight on against O-Lineman, and his UNreal LOVE to simply punish the ball-carrier. ..1 year ago, Spikes is top 10 pick as a guarentee from every NFL Scout.        Rob Gronkowski-The ONLY issue in Gronkowski NOT being the #1 Tight End (yes, over Gresham), Imho was his back surgery.  But after being cleared and checked by a handful of seperate doctors, and after He-oh just BLEW UP the TE position to a different level at Arizona's Pro Day-Soft hands, Great Routes, 4.65 40 @ an absurd 6'7 and 265lbs lol, and oh-HE IS regarded by EVERY scout as The Best Blocker in the draft.  So great, Jermain Gresham is EXACTLY as fast as Gronkowski, yet Gresham plays ZERO physical football, runs weak routes, and HATES blocking...but wow-Gresham might have a few more potential YAC open field moves than Gronkowski...Thanks, but I'll take Gronk.       Cunningham in all honesty lol, was the ONLY Florida Gator who I actually liked outta their 10 or so draftees.  6'4 260lbs, Great work ethic...GREAT Belichick move.  In almost EVERY 3-4 Defense, We've seen how IF you're running it with TEAM versatility and NOT player versatility...Your 3-4 Team CANNOT sell it's OLB size OR speed short.  In otherwords, Finding ANY 4.63 40 running 6'4 262lb guy with passion to play tough football as your pass-rushing specialist...IS 99 outta 100 times, a Pipe-Dream.  Yet Cunningham has the rush moves and power of a DE, and THAT speed in the open area to convert to a 3-4 weakside OLB...  And sadly I can't even think of 1 other guy in this draft that even potentially has these qualities...AND a good demeanor and work ethic.  Maybe Brandon Graham alone...but yea lmao=Top 10 pick=Long Gone.   And see once again, I'm NOT a great Belichick apologist.  I do NOT like the Taylor Price selection, and after some initial VERY much disliking of drafting Aaron Hernandez, I've lightened a bit on that pick...but I'm still skeptical.       Ya see, I actually believe that BB wants to project a 6'2 1/2 and 230 or so lb TE in Hernandez, to see IF this kid can actually be the big #2 possession wideout that New England needs for its passing game.  IF this is the case and IF it can be done=GREAT move overall.  Hernandez runs superb routes and has very soft hands, AND he has that small Nfl TE but perfect Nfl #2 possession wideout size...so that ain't too bad.  Either way, gotta play the odds-which say 1 of either Hernandez OR Price very well might work out at wideout.       NOONE likes selecting a Punter, yet I gotta say...Drafting the VERY BEST Punter in 4 or Draft years when your current punter simply s^x...well again, NOT a bad move.       I actually love Brandon Deadrick as a late round potential 2-gapper 3-4 DE...  This kid had an off year because some dude tried to rob him and then shot him in the arm...so give Deadrick at least a minor break on his off year playing through getting shot, o.k.?  Alas, Deadrick OR the next DE drafted right after him, CAN be that sub off the bench... ~ So what's the sum total here on this Patriot Draft- 4 simply STUD players.  And then a betting hedge that 1 of 2 guys can be your next possession wideout, and another bet hedge that 1 of 2 guys can be your 3-4 DE sub...  6 Players and the best Punter...  Reality check people...ummm, Not really a too shabby overall take-wouldn't ya say?          
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium

    Laz, what is your take on Crable, Tate and MacKenzie, all who could be considered rookies this year?
     
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    Put me in the "let's wait and see" category.  I generally believe that the quantity over quality draft approach has not yielded the results we're all hoping for.  Yeah there have been some finds in the mid rounds over the past years, and the 2nd round from the '09 looks promising.  But the 1st round has been better to the Pats than rounds 2 and 3 recently, and I think staying put or moving up in the 1st is the way to go.  I guess the Pats must assume that more chances at players means a better chance to unearth some diamonds in the rough -- akin to throwing mud at the wall, because some of it will stick.        

    We'll see how successful this draft is in 2 or 3 years -- none of us knows and if you say you do then you're guessing.  The Pats drafted some guys with potential for sure, from winning programs, skilled, vocal leaders, nasty dispositions, etc.   But even the "experts" who live and breath this stuff more than any of us are all over the board in their assessment of Pats' draft.  And guess what?  They're guessing as much as we are, with a little more information a hand.   

    McCourty?  I think the Pats needed a CB, and I think he'll be a good player, but they traded back twice when some pretty good players were there for the taking.  Some of the experts call Gronkowski a medical risk; others laud the Pats for having the cojones to move up and take him anyway.  Cunningham?  Some call his a 5th rounder at best, others say that he'll do well in the 3-4 under BB's tutelage.  Ditto Spikes, most think he'll play but would've been there in later rounds.  Price?  Looks to have potential, maybe he's a find, but is he Bryant, whom they could have had and fits a need?  Hernandez?  I like the pick, but let's just say that the Pats haven't really utilized the TE position to its fullest since the days of Ben Coates despite using picks in as high as the 1st round and 3rd round to draft them.  Maybe this year with two good TEs and no Welker will make them look to TE more.  Mesko?  They needed a punter and acquired a 5th rounder, so why not?  Everyone else on their draft board?  Who really knows?        

    If you look at the success rate in even the best of drafts, maybe 30-40% of the players drafted by a team pan out and even less are probowlers.  I ain't telling y'all something you don't know.  Look at history and the numbers -- the odds are many more of these guys are misses rather than hits.  Don't get me wrong, I hope all 12 guys make the team, but reality tells me that 3 or 4 of these guys may be good players and the rest won't be here in a few years. 
     
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    The whole point of a draft is to address a teams need and talent.  You talk about the draft as a potential.  This draft has a high potential to succeed.  The initial grades handed out by reporters are based on potential, said talent and needs addressed.  The talk after the draft is about potential and that only.  It doesn't put us in the SB but it could.  It doesn't put us in last place but it could. 

    Saying you are on a wait and see means you have doubts about the draft and are taking the safe way out or don't get the discussion that happens after the draft.  Which means you might as well not say anything at all. 

     
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    The whole point of a draft is to address a teams need and talent.  You talk about the draft as a potential.  This draft has a high potential to succeed.  The initial grades handed out by reporters are based on potential, said talent and needs addressed.  The talk after the draft is about potential and that only.  It doesn't put us in the SB but it could.  It doesn't put us in last place but it could.  Saying you are on a wait and see means you have doubts about the draft and are taking the safe way out or don't get the discussion that happens after the draft.  Which means you might as well not say anything at all. 
    Posted by garytx


    A few points.  1) Quanity over quality been with mixed results over the past few years, but I'll grant you if this is really a "deep" draft then maybe this is the year to employ that strategy.  2) Ain't no one on this board who knows whether any of these guys will really work out in the NFL, including Kiper, Mayock and even the guy picking them, like Belichick.  3) My overall point was exactly that; no one knows, and every "expert" has a different opinion about every player.  Who really knows -- none of us. 

    My "wait and see approach" means that I don't call guys busts in year 1; but early promise isn't necessarily an indication of future success, either.  The most interesting aspects of the draft is to play the "we coulda had that guy" game 3 or 4 years down the line when players are what they're destined to be in the NFL.  I like the Pats draft this year, but I really think it's silly that all the experts and fans want to call it a success or failure without one game played.    
     
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    Re: 2010 Patriots Draft=BEST New England Draft in 5 years...bare minimum & bar none

    I try to limit my speculations to what's measurable and to what I expect BB and company to do right.

    I can measure the trades, and last week the war room apparently produced one more second rounder and one more third rounder from next to nothing.  Who else did this?  Assuming normal drafting skills, nine second rounders in three years is going to win games.

    As a fan I'm pretty intelligence-blind but I know the Pats do their homework, inteviewing everybody with long tests.  I likewise count on BB to never pick a wife-beater, an alky or someone else who is just plain stupid and ticks off the good players.  On that count alone, the Patriots are going to beat up the Jets, the Fish and the Bills.

    I look at explosiveness, the Wes Welker factor.  Edelman had it too, although he'd never played WR before. 

    Sea-Bass had explosiveness for his huge size, and he had long arms.  In practice this meant that he could wrap up and stay in front of any blitzer.  He didn't have experience, but he was a find.  He's heading for all-pro pretty fast.  Not bad for a second rounder.

    All four of the first and second round picks have explosiveness and long arms.  They don't get velcroed to blockers on defense, and on the other side, the tight end Gronk does velcro blitzers and run defenders.  I estimate that overall (injuries are part of the game so it's not a 100% certainty) these guys are going to get their jobs done as if they were first rounders.  McCourty is going to stop the run to his side and he's going to play bump and run.  Gronk is going to block, he's going to get major open too.  Cunningham is going to pass Tully Banta-Cain in sacks starting this next fall.  Spikes will beat out Guyton in the middle by maybe November, and he will start rotating in September.

    Price is a receiver, and a tough one, along with fast and explosive again.  He is so open and downfield.

    I haven't even looked farther down the food chain.  The seventh rounders are other teams' UFAs.

    Drafting wins championships.
     
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    There is a reason Mel Kiper (and his hair) is a glorified talking head on television and BB is in the war room picking the players he's going to coach. 

    I agree with all of the original post with the possible exception of the Price eval.  I think the kid has a good shot.  Just imagine what the Pats receiver corps will look like if Tate is healthy too?
     
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    To ALL:

    I'm gonna try here to offer my point comprehensively on the bigger subject at hand, and thus do 1 take on the overall big subject people seem to be hittin' on here...

    ~NAMELYI'll try to appease the subject of uncertainty about an NFL Draft Class and the somewhat false notion by most EVERYone about how you really CANNOT judge a team's draft class until 2-3 years AFTER that Draft Class...let alone 2-3 days, AND I'll do all this in an attempt to debunk that theory, hopefully appease some worried souls, AS I relate THIS Draft Class to precisely how I felt about the '06, '07, '08, and '09 class of NE draftees THEN just as I do NOW...

    Alright, I know what you're thinkin': "HowInTH are we supposed to believe that your analysis and take on NE's guys freom 1-4 years ago, HAS NOT differed from then to now?  Hindsight's 20-20 bud, so don't come off thinkin' ta show you were right back then WELL AFTER we've ALL seen how some of these guys have turned out as NFL Players."
         My Answer:  Look, I got NO time machine people...so I'm gonna have to ask you to suspend some of your disbelief here, o.k.?  Try to trust in BOTH the fact that I've been a serious Draft-Nut for about a decade.  Again, 12 months a year, I hit upon some draft site seriously, nearly EVERY single day...again, better for me than the Superbowl, AND take this ideally with the notion that I'm a deadly honest mo'fo: ANY long-term poster SHOULD tell you, that I both tell it like it is- IF I don't like something BB is doin', I ain't gonna toe the company line.  And heck, RE: My personal honesty- I go to sleep at night worried LESS worried that I've revealed too much personally abou me, THAN I do far more concerned that there's been some misconstrued misinterpretation of some silly post I always try to massively overexagerrate on, In Order for it to be INTREPRETATED as far too absurd to believe in. 
         So again, just TRY to believe in this totally cynical world that I'm givin' you the truth, THEN as in Right Now.  Here goes (btw, I'm gonna write the following personal takes on players NOT in the light of Right Now, but as how I viewed the selection then): 

    The 2006 Draft Class...
    ~My Very FIRST Take:  I believed THEN as Right Now, That this wasn't a TRULLY Bad Draft Class for New England, YET I believed the same then as now, THAT It was mediocre in terms of the fact that NE had something like 10 or 11 picks, AND that it WAS an overall sub-par NE Draft Class BOTH in terms of the no of picks and in weighed in light of a few of the PREVIOUS Draft Classes for New England.   
    So, WAS I WRONG?

    Lawrence Maroney:  I trully believed then as now, that NE needed a pick to compliment Dillon.  I believed he looked GREAT that year, and it wasn't UNTIL that upcoming year, in which he really, really started showing his age.  So even though, I've heralded for a long-time, The success of the Bigger RB in NE's system, I was lookin' more in terms of a compliment to Dillon and a 3rd down guy when Faulk was done (he was only like 63 y.o. then, not 73 now), I was NOT lookin at him in erms of "Dillon's #1 RB Successor," No Way.  Thought Maroney was somewhat unheralded, but that it was a very real need, BUT that several of the other backs didn't fit: Maurice Drew, Deangelo Williams-Too small for NE's zone-system, and I believe it was LenDale White whom showed up at both his Pro Day, Draft, & Combine with a posse and in a $80,000 Chrysler SUV...so I was like, uh-uh ain't good.  NE didn't have many needs, and though I wasn't huge on LM, it made more sense positional than many others did.

    Chad Jackson:  EXCELLENT Selection imho...and ya gotta believe me that he was 1 of 2 TOTAL Players in the next 5! Draft Classes whom I was TOTALLY WRONG About, I said it, o.k.?  But so were EVERY SINGLE other NFL Scout (on earth).  Jackson had by far and away, by leaps and bounds at the time, SHOWED that he was the most polished WR in his overall skill-set in that ENTIRE Draft Class.  Dear god, this kid light up the Combine and Senior Bowl too if I recall right.  At the combine, He showed great speed, great leaping ability, soft hands, and very decent routes.  Intertwined his "Man-Child" Physical Size, and his just sick YAC promise showed at Fla...jesus, ya couldn't go wrong.  He!! if I knew hat he had the freakin' mentaility and future work-ethic of your slower domestic 18 year old household iguanas.  YET, I WAS wrong (I mean, did he have someone else do his Combine Interviews in his place?).  

    David Thomas:  At this PRECISE point, The Draft  began going way downhill in my eyes.  WhatTF, New England STILL had Graham AND Watson, I believe...SO why in the world select a TE who had a very good collegiate career, but who wasn't a good team fit?  Watson was bigger and stronger, and HE wasn't enough of a bull as a TE blocker, so why get a guy that's even much smaller (even as an avg NFL TE)?   I dug his hands, routes and just wicked heads up play (then), but man...NOT a good fit for NE at all.

    Garrett Mills:  Right about here, I recall posting something on a Pats Messageboard like, "So alright, Belichick got a very decent RB AND the best WR...so is he just mailing the rest of this draft class in for fun, or what?"  Lol...Ridiculously awful pick, RIGHT Then as RIGHT Now.  Lmao, 4 TEs and a smaller, worse TE than David Thomas, great choice...

    ~Of Note: For brevity's sake, I'm gonna do the first few picks of these classes, and then summarize my feelings on the rest of the draftees, alright?

    Next Cast- Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan O'Callaghan, Jeremy Mincey, Dan Stevenson, LeKevin Smith, Willie Andrews:  EXACT Same feelings THEN as Right Now.  Needed a kicker, but thought it too high, but IF Belichick's sold, So am I...whatever.  O'Callaghan & lesser, Stevenson-Actually liked it.  BB had several multi-round reaches and this was a value pick, and imo-A good value pick of an O-Lineman you can develop @ OT is a no-brainer (deepest position imo that you're still able to largely target a really good player en masse).  Mincey and Smith-Undersized mediocre picks...but NOT really bad ones (believe 1 or both still play somewhere).  I wwill NOT largely question getting guys in either of the trenches later on  Andrews-awful pick, but really don't whine about 6th/7th rders.  

    CONCLUSION:  Same then as now, with the exception that I was, like ALL-Way, Way off on Chad Jackson.  I started the draft pretty happy, then fell flat, but then recovered just a notch.  Thought it somewhat unspectacular with sheer # of NE picks and compared to a few drafts just prior.  And I was CORRECT.

    The 2007 Draft Class...
    ~My Very FIRST Take:  I believe then as I do right now, That it s^cked.  And I don't care what some people say: "Oh, Ya cannot trully judge that Draft Class WITHOUT taking into consideration that New England traded away a couple early picks for BOTH Wes Welker AND Randy Moss."  I'd like to say in response, that I don't care.  I've NEVER bought that rationale (for better or worse).  IF ya want some reasoning with it, other han the "they were already established NFLers," (which IS sorta weak imo), Mine WAS and still IS, That New England STILL had 9! Draft Selections in 2007...and they en masse, simply LOOKED awful.  Multi-rd reaches for lesser quality talents, 9 selections and ya had chips to play with, yet the two highest ya came away with was a imo (then as now) a VERY good Safety in Rd 1 and a multi-rd reach in Rd 4 @ D-Line...big whoop.  And the rest, then as now-were garbage.

    Brandon Merriweather:  Some aren't sold on him after a few HUGE blown coverages in his Safety help this past season...but it ain't Merri, sorry.  Merriweather, has always been the 10 X better Strong Safety type than the Free Safety type.  He just pounded people at U of M (recall him win the hardest hitter award 1 or 2 years there).  And even though I remember that he's played BOTH Free Safety and Cornerback too, He's done 90% of his time @ SS.  He even has the smash-mouth aggressive mentality for it far more than the patient ball-hawking deep zone guy @ Free.  YET, Bill Belichick (and I've written threads on it), WANTS in his Defense, dual-coverage Safeties= 2 Safeties similiar size, well-rounded skill-set, ALL Safeties somewhat bigger than a FS but smaller than a SS...but gotta be able to hit like a SS, ball-hawk like a FS, and cover like a CB.  The end result=Offenses will NOT be able to exploit the size weakness of a standard Free Safety by running his way, and Offenses will NOT be able to exploit the coverage weakness of a SS by passing HIS way.  Merri-time @ ALL 3 secondar spots=VERY Good pick for BB's intentions.

    Kareem Brown:  "Hmmm, Startin' to mail this one in right around the same time as ya fell asleep during the last one Bill?"  Alright, help along the trenches=Good.  WHY no up-trades, BB?  I mean, do you WANT just ALL mid-late multi-round reaches?  WhatTF...  DT=Fine, whatever.  But BOTH some better ones on board still AND ya got Jarvis, Richard, Warren and Wilfork as a very young D-Line on your 3-4 D.  Maroney got injured as a Rook (twice lol I believe), after showing good promise, But Dillon seriously began showing his age for the first time.  Ya got ZERO Strongside ILB I believe (Seau ain't playin forever), and didn't Bruschi @ weakside ILB have a heartattack (I actually forget now)?  And finally No nickel CB, 47 CBs a year seemed to get injured, & Ellis Hobbs @ 1 side zone CB...ummm, s^x.  So wassup?

    Next Cast- Clint Oldenburg, Justin Rogers, Mike Richardson, Justice Hairston, Corey Dilliard, Oscar Lua, Mike Elgin.  Alright-FIRST:  Ya cannot then or now, EVER sell me on the "Welker/Moss as Picks" thing, with @ 10 total picks.  2 of the last 8 slections were team needs imo...that s^x.  Far, Far too many to even count (including the two selections that were ACTUAL needed positional areas to address, WERE MULTI-Round Reaches for lesser players.  I thought THAT back then VERY adamantly, I think THAT now...and I don't even wanna go into further detail on what I thought about some of these players fits (and now too); I mean, that's actually just too painful.                

    CONCLUSION:  Same Then as Right Now...and on THIS one, I had NO Chad Jackson single miss.

    ~The 2008 Draft Class...
    My Very FIRST Take:  I believe then as I do Right Now, that this WAS another awful draft.

    Jerod Mayo: Alright fine...I wanted a weakside OLB pass-rushing specialist, BUT IF you're gonna get the next Bruschi=I'll be o.k.  Now, I wasn't sold on Mayo TOTALLY.  But then as now, kid's a pure-tackler with sick football instincts, AND IF you're gonna trade down and pick up an extra high selection this or next draft, I will NOT complain (and the same holds true today).  It's good business sense imo- Ya get a Desperate Buyer=And can still get what ya want, YOU SELL.

    Terrence Wheatley: I don't care EXACTLY then, even EXACTLY when Wheatley showed promise as a Rookie in a couple games BEFORE getting injured...  Wheatley came with MASSIVE wrist concerns, Wheatley was and is MASSIVELY undersized, and Wheatley was and is a MULTI-Round reach of a selection of these qualities...  IF He turns it around, Great=I'll be wrong on 1 other...but so far I AM Correct.

    Shawn Crable: This one's for you emily (if anyone's still readin lol)...  I LOVED him...still do actually.  He was back then one of my absolute 2nd-4th rd players whom I desperately wanted.  Crable had something close to a ridiculous 30 TFLs 1 year @ Michigan, Crable was an UTTERLY fearless pass-rusher @ U of Mich, and Crable had then as right now PROTO-typical size for the weakside OLB spot AND he wasn't overly exploitable as a run-defender on that weakside of the field.  So call me wrong, alright?  But imo, Jury's STILL out on him I believe.  Perhaps I shoulda known He'd get injured, and even though he coulda packed on a good 10 more lbs on his frame, The kid was NOT "under"-sized, and he did NOT (I'm almost positive), come in with any injury concerns at the time.  So I'll either be dead-on, dead-wrong, BUT as of now I'll live with being 1/2 INcorrect thus far (very hard to predict injuries though). 

    Kevin O'Connell:  VERY bad selection...Then AS Now.  Yup, I dug at the time O'Connell's pocket-prescence and decent QB skills, and yup- I actually Do UTTERLY dig Bill Belichick selecting a QB each and EVERY year in order to come in and both fight & challenge the No. 2 guy, Potentially better your odds by finding an extremely rare gem, AND so ya got yourself- Security at the most deadly important spot on EVERY NFL Team OR at worst-Crazy trade bait potential...  But then as now, O'Connell's as bad move, and here's WHY:  Multi-Round Reach for a lesser talent means something, but less than the fact that This is Far too early for QB, when you have other spots you can target...I don't care HOW many picks you have.  Did NOT make this a good target overall.

    Jonathen Wilhite:  Look, BB...I am VERY happy your targeting far more than the other 2 Drafts, Positional Aeas of need.  So, good job.  But J harold C, I NEVER really like parrallel moves of drafting 2 guys fot 1 spot (nickel CB), UNLESS the spot is something like OLB or DE, WR...maybe even RB.  Freakin' NOT nickel CB.  And MY god, ANOTHER multi-rd reach for ANOTHER midget.  But the fact that at least THIS one has no extremely serious injury concerns, lmao-THAT makes it allll better.

    Next Cast- Matthew Slater & Bo Rudd.  Slater- I don't care HOW lae...Belichick traded up to in a perfect universe, Select a Return Specialist.  Didn't care then as NOW that it was a 5th or 6th rder...I don't know what to say: I don't believe lmao in drafting a kick returner and ONLY a kick returner...I just simply do not wanna spend BOT the selection OR the roster spot.  Bo Rudd-I'll live, but had some weak spots in his game=weight & pass-coverage moves, mattered even less the concerns on his overall instincts of the game.  Put 'em together and I don't care if you're 6'3 running a 4.6 40.  Yet needed position @ OLB and a 7th rder...IF ya find a guy=excellent, IF ya don't with 1 7th rder, whatever.  

    CONCLUSION:  Same Right Then as it is Right Now...ZERO "Chad Jackson" miss, BUT I WILL score myself a 1/2 so far with Shawn Crable to appease the naysayers...

    ~The 2009 Draft Class...
    My Very FIRST Take:  NOTHING to write home about...ALTHOUGH, Then as Now I did NOT think it even in the same ball park as bad as those 2 right before it, and it looked even just better than All 3 prior drafts.  And I believe THEN as I DO right now.

    Patrick Chung:  I liked Louis Delmas better...I did.  Delmas, although 10lbs lighter than Chung, was fearless and had just off-the-charts football instincts, and just a little better ball-hawking skills than Chung.  Chung WAS and still IS my 2nd fav...and I understand where BB was coming from AND not coming from.  Chung had more time @ Oregon in those other secondary spots than Delmas had, and BB wants again to disguise those Safeties.  Chung sorta reminds me of odney Harrison, and imho-He reminds BB of Harrison too.  But I for 1, Do NOT draft to find a replacement character.  I Draft for other things (like the better overall skilled safety) Only IF the fit and guy is STILL correct...  And it WAS somewhat hard for me, Belichick passing on 2 other excellent fits I thought IN areas of need:  Bigger RB-Beanie Wells and Pass-Rushing OLB and true BB character in Clay Matthews.  STILL, My 2nd ranked Safety @ needed spot=Good solid choice however.

    Ron Brace:  Hated it RIGHT then...yessire bible swear.  You Do NOT imo do a parrallel move when you have a young NT as is, and I don't care IF BB was concerned about Wilfork's future contract status.  Heck, I don't even believe Wilfork's a trully great NT @ only 6'1 or less...YET, Brace, @ 6'3 was BOTH a security-blanket move so extremely early in the draft AND he had the help @ BC playing next to Raji...  VERY bad IF not draftee (because I don't fully believe that), 1000 X worse positional selection.

    Sebastian Vollmer:  Neither sold NOR unsold...so score me 1/2 wrong here I supposse.  STILL, even then=EXCELLENT position of need at OT imo especially after the NY Giants SB where our every guy is 30 years old or older, got manhandled, and at something absurd like 6'8 and almost 320lbs, with very good O-Line speed and footwork, so I didn't belive him a good fit for some teams, but in pass-blocking lighter, faster O-Line NE=Good potential fit.  But didn't know that this kid would just look like a TOTAL stud as a rook.

    Brandon Tate:  Second awful pick...but good job, Not AS awful as Brace imo-just plain awful.  Multi-Round Reach in the 3rd rd of an Injured Player who would project to be an extremely undersized #2 possession wideout IN a place where they were only 8 or so far better WRs on the board still (should I detail this further, because I can ya know?).

    Tyrone McKenzie:  Now, I did NOT know this guy would get hurt...didn't change WHY then as now, I actually believe it a bad pick (but good job again BB, NOT as bad as either Brace OR Tate imo).  I want size to secure the edge @ OLB...WOLB and SOLB.  Imho, a 6'1 240lb mid 4.7 running guy doesn't sell me, No matter who "versatile" he's been.  I don't care.  Wow a smaller and slower guy than we already have on the team with Gary Guyton...pretty impressive. 

    Next Cast- Rich Ohrnberger, George Bussey, Jake Ingram, Myron Pryor, Julian Edelman, Daryll Richard.  Overall, I believe THEN as NOW...Bill Belichick did far better at going with what even SHOULD work better.  Late Rd QB project with skills to play elsewhere, Mid Round O-Lineman you can develop at again, an excellent positional value in those mid-rounds for O-Line deph.  6th rd LS in Ingram=Not glory pick, but where I want the pick to be overall.  And more trench guys in Richard & Pryor (although their size in a 3-4 confuses me then as now, but I'm waitin' to see what BB has planned for his Front 7).  Overall Good stuff... 


    SO WHAT EXACTLY IS MY SUM TOTAL IN MIS-JUDGING RECENT DRAFTS AND DRAFTEES, huh?

    2 (counting BOTH Crable & Vollmer along with Chad Jackson) outta what? like 35 picks at least? 

    ANSWERThe New England Patriots had an EXCELLENT Draft Class a few days ago=2010 Draft Class=BEST IN 5 YEARS...bare minimum, and ZERO doubt (to me at least).
     
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    "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

     
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    Thanks Laz, I was still reading!!!
     
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    Laz Im gonna take the counter point for you on this draft. The only 2 selections as ok are DM and Zoltan. I dont like a TE that hasnt played in a year and had serious back surgery. (I hope for this kids sake he's ok, but in all seriousness no one ever recovers 100 percent from a back surgery let alone football players, and what it does to the mind) Again all the stats in college mean amost nothing when you go to the Pro's, its a matter of courage and wanting to play that lead the way before talent. With that said I see this draft as less sucessful as last years, and I think the Patriots are in trouble, it happens to every champion unless you make the correct moves. THe draft wont cover the fact that BB last year had issues with coaching calls, penalties, clock management and team moral. There is still a question of a very weak secondary, a poor LB core and very poor tackling, then still no good runningbacks, and weak spots in the offensive line. I hope this turns out well for the Patriots but Im a realist and I dont see that happening here. This is going to be the make or break year for them. God Bless and Good night
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    "Some of the experts call Gronkowski a medical risk; others laud the Pats for having the cojones to move up and take him anyway." 

    Careful Rob, those experts kill ya every time!
     
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    In Response to Re: 2010 Patriots Draft=BEST New England Draft in 5 years...bare minimum & bar none : russ and ALL : I was busy earlier and couldn't get to read any but the first few posts on page 1, But I gotta say, Your posts in this thread have been sound, reasonable, informed, and just sorta cool-headed in a way lol...excellent insights here man, no doubt . ~ I really came away thinking very similiar thoughts about how Bill Belichick is harkening back to what worked in the past during our championship runs .  Whether it be in a Draft, How you CANNOT sell short player skill and draft purely for great intangibles, and come away as a coach thinking that your scheme is 1000 times superior to any good skilled players...  Yet  russ , you enlightened me as to what else it looks like Belichcik is doing with these guys, i.e. MORE things that worked well in the past... RE : Offense - Hernandez first...it was either Nick or you who had a good post about how Hernandez will not be seen much as a standard TE lined up at the LOS beside tackle...Excellent Point.  And you're right, either as some H-Back/#2 WR OR a hybrid of both, THIS does equal some matchup nightmare for Big enough, but slow LBs, and/or fast enough, but too small CBs and even some safeties.       And onto Gronkowski...A sick blocker just like Graham was for us, and just 10 times the better pass-catcher than Graham was...heck, he'll be 10 times the better pass-catcher than Watson, who was the poor blocker, but whom had hands of stone AND bad route-trees.      So keep in mind THESE things about Gronkowski and Hernandez as its taken with the other post either you or Nick did, about how Taylor Price looks something like a hard-chargin' Branch/Givens of the past, BOTH places me at ease and Makes Me Conclude The Following: ~ STUFF THAT WORKED DURING NE'S CHAMPION TEAMS :  Ball-control offense, Far less singular in skill-set players = An Offense that CONTROLLED the game...  BOTH with the ball-control, long drives that simply wear out a D and the gameclock, AND far more importantly than even that, VERSATILITY.  No singular draftees like a wideout who's a blazer, but runs bad routes, OR a TE who's a good blocker, but an awful pass-catcher, or vice-versa...  Bill Belichick, by drafting very versatile players with NO UNreal skill-set in 1 single aspect of their gameplay, INSTEAD selected players with NO real WEAKNESSES in their skill-set.  Now, that don't make for a big "Wow" factor in NOT selecting the guys like 6'3 225lb 4.4 40 running Taylor Mays (but he cannot read an offensive play for jack-sh^t), BUT what it DOES do-  Is Win Games.       Your team AND players (system & personell), Is now the one who can game-plan for the OTHER team.  By NOT selecting that totally unbelievable in 1 aspect of their skills (but completely lacking in another), Belichick targeted guys with NO weak aspect in their game skills, And THIS means you have the versatile player and playmakers who can find and exploit the weak-aspects and weak-links of the OTHER team's Defense, Players and overall Schematics.  Think Randy Moss here people:  NO player imo has EVER been the deep-field threat that Moss is...but he ain't that great whatsoever and isn't built for going over the middle.  Now, I LOVE having Moss on this team, BUT when NE started taking guys like Moss, who have certain BIG shortcomings in their game, yet who have just some unimaginable but very specific and hus very singular aspect(s) in their game, The New England Patriots gave up CONTROL.  You are NOW gameplanning for and WITH your players skills, and NOT gameplanning for and AGAINST the other guy's weaknesses.  Get it?  You've now pigeon-holed yourself in certain player's great but select abilities, and thus your system schematics, plays and EVERYthing is now more limited, and thus: exploitable. RE : Defense - Bill Belichick NOW drafted players who made his Defense top-notch.  He got smash-mouth and aggressive as he!! players...  Asante Samuel who could turn an INT into a pick 6, but who didn't like to dirty his jersey (ever)= These guys are O-U-T.  Who's In?  Attackers...  A CB who looks and feels just eerily like Ty Law.  A Strongside ILB who looks and feels just eerily like Ted Johnson.  AND a weakside OLB pass-rushing specialist who looks and feels eerily like Willie Mac.        Kinda very coincidental, don'tcha ALL think?  Targeting guys who are just hard-charging, aggressive and who LOVE and have a passion to play like this...      Heck, Belichick even shored up his former BIG-time Special Teams play-makers in 1 turned to 2 moves:  Getting the best Punter in 4-5 entire draft classes AND with Devin McCourty's sick and added Special Team's playmaking.  Again: Eerily coincidental, huh? ~~ And shoot, some may disagree...BUT I liked even at the time BEFORE they lost the '07 SB, The 2001 Superbowl Team OVER the 2007 Offensive juggernaut and less smash-mouth defense, a million times better.  I LOVED Brady throwing to whomever was open, using every play on long extended drives, coupled with just a fearless and aggressive defense.  I know the '07 team mighta sold more hearts of Country Club Members who like high-scoring, BUT the '01 team stole more hearts of true gridiron fans who wanted to watch and FEEL that The Patriots were breaking the backs and wills by just punishing other squads...      Who knows, I guess I'm just a happy-go-lucky sadist deep down, ya know: I don't want 'em beat, I just want them demoralized, smashed into the turf, then hit by a brick; I don't care how much they were beaten by in a 30 second quick 1 or 2 big hit knockout fight, I DO care in beating them ruthlessly into submission, so they are just sick to their stomach-terrified of you forever.  Cute, huh?
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    Laz...THANK YOU for this post!!!  This needs to be cut & paste to reply to all posters who complained that BB didn't select BIG NAME player, but selected players THAT FIT NE's system AND LOVE the game of football!!!
     
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    Yeah your making real sense there junior!
     
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    Ahhh Chess, what a wonderful game! Now all we have to do is wait patiently for 4 months to see who's right and who's not!
     
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    Spikes is an animal, and he will be a fan favorite very soon.
    Mel Kiper?  Who cares what he says.  Has anyone ever done an analysis years down the road to show how wrong he is about players?  He gets paid to write down statistics about players.  How many great players on paper end up sucking? All he could say is that Spikes ran a 5.0.  So what?  Usain Bolt runs a 2.3 40....but he cannot play LB.
    Spikes doesn't need sprinter speed for his position.  He will be a monster alongside Mayo.
     

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