2012 NFL Draft: 5 GMs That Will Destroy Their Teams with Bad Decisions

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions#/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions/page/3

    For years, everyone has showered Bill Belichick with the label of genius. They continually discussed how well he manipulated the draft by acquiring extra picks. However, not many of those extra draft picks have panned out. There are the success stories like Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez.

    However, there are mistakes like Ron Brace and Darius Butler have set this defense back. Belichick will do like he always does and look to trade one of his two first-round picks. However, it would make more sense to package those picks and move up.

    The New England Patriots defense needs to add elite talent not a handful of extra draft picks.

     
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    For every draft pick that doesn't make it there is an undrafted free agent that becomes a contributor.  You are what your record says you are, his record states that BB is the best coach in the NFL.  Period...

    The draft is a crapshoot, how do you measure the intangibles of a man's heart?
     
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    In Response to 2012 NFL Draft: 5 GMs That Will Destroy Their Teams with Bad Decisions:
    [QUOTE]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions#/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions/page/3 For years, everyone has showered Bill Belichick with the label of genius. They continually discussed how well he manipulated the draft by acquiring extra picks. However, not many of those extra draft picks have panned out. There are the success stories like Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. However, there are mistakes like Ron Brace and Darius Butler have set this defense back. Belichick will do like he always does and look to trade one of his two first-round picks. However, it would make more sense to package those picks and move up. The New England Patriots defense needs to add elite talent not a handful of extra draft picks.
    Posted by Hoier[/QUOTE]

         BB's philosophy of manipulating the draft to acquire excessive picks is sound. No one does a better job of this than he. But, it's the selections that he's making with those picks that's the problem. My guess is that it's the scouting department that's dropping the ball...and needs to be revamped.

         Usually, trading up is not the answer, as the Pats painfully learned in 2006, with the Chad Jackson trade. But minor trade-ups, like the ones the used to select Ty Warren and Rob Gronkowski, can be wise, when targeting a particular player.    
     
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         Should the Rams edge out the Colts for the top overall pick, they should use the choice on Andrew Luck, even though they already have Sam Bradford under contract. They can then trade Bradford to a team like the Redskins for multiple draft picks. Here's an article on this matter:

    There is a very good chance that the St. Louis Rams will land the top overall pick. They need a win from the Indianapolis Colts versus the Jacksonville Jaguars and a loss of their own. Landing that top pick will force GM Billy Devaney to make a very tough decision.

    He currently has Sam Bradford as his starting quarterback. Bradford is coming off a poor season, but still has plenty of promise. The Rams have also invested a lot time and money into him, which will make it difficult to part ways.

    However, Bradford Sophomore slump is a cause for concern. This combined with the fact that everyone feels Stanford's Andrew Luck possesses greater upside means that St. Louis should consider drafting Luck. There will be teams like the Washington Redskins who would be willing to to make a trade to acquire Bradford.

    If he lands the top overall pick, Devaney will likely hang on to Bradford and trade the pick. The trade will bring a lot of assets, but if Bradford doesn't rebound those assets will mean nothing: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions#/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions/page/4

     
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    The bleacher report sometimes has some good information but sometimes is just sensationalistic.

    BB weakness might be drafting certain positions sure..but not in the top 5 worst in the NFL.
     
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    Bleacher report is a blogging website. You can register and write a story about how Aliens have infiltrated the coaching ranks of the NFL. Then you can read your story and believe it if you want.
     
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    That "article" is absolutely abysmal prose.  5th grade level.
     
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    Whatever. How many high 1sts has Bill missed on (Seymour, Mayo, Warren) IMO that despite woes with DMC, Gronk and Hernandez look great and any grade attached to the BB drafts would have to include UDFA (Ellis) and acquisitions (Welker......is there someone else in the 3rd round in 07 draft that would have been a better player than Moss or Welker). Also Chung, Dowling, and Spikes cannot be graded because they've been injured and thus their grade should be considered imcomplete.

    Caesario, Belichick and Reese have had to replace pro-bowlers at LB (Bruschi, MacGinnest), Safety (Harrison), CB (Law) D Linemen (Washington), and Offensive Line (Koppen...due to injury). No easy task and yet all this team does is make the playoffs, win their division, and contend for a Super Bowl year after year.

    Low 1st round hits Mankins and Wilfork count as much (if not more ) than top ten picks that end up great players (eg: living up to expectations).

    Add Ridley to the list of potential starters on a potent offense  (Hernandez and  Gronk obviously included on that list). Solder and Cannon provide depth on O Line and Dreaderick, Brace, and Love all provide depth for the Defensive line. Pick-ups and low risk free agents like Anderson and Carter have made great contributions.

    Now contrast this with Tananboob trading 2  draft picks and three marginal players for one mediocre QB, signing a free agent RB who is done, and signing a nuisance at CB in Crumbmartie. A better idea would've been to trade more players and picks to get the 1st overall and draft a better QB in Stafford (more TDs and fewer picks and he seems to be getting better week to week). There are only three good moves Tananboob has done in the last three years signing Revis and Mangold and drafting Ferguson. He went all in on Sanchez and his free agents and this year the Jests fail to make the playoffs. 

    The Pats have a young team that will improve and their nearest division rival keeps hawking the house to bring in aging vets to improve his team. The window for the Jests will close when their defense becomes average (and that looks like it's happening more and more) because Sanchez is average and will never be a top tier QB like Brady, Rapistburger, Brees or Rodgers. Simply put your team has to have very good to great QB play if you want them to contend now and in future.

    Meanwhile, all Belichick does is acquire more picks for the future. What Belichick does is the opposite of destoying his team; he builds it and it contends year after year without tanking a season to get a high draft pick (see Colts). Rebuilding from the ashes of a dynastic team is not an easy thing to do (ask the Parcells Cowboys) and yet Belichick builds his team into contender year after year. I, for one, am grateful we have him.........you think this happens with Pete Carroll calling the shots for the Pats ?
     
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    With the new CBA maybe BB is finally willing to move up or use those high picks in the draft. The guy always has something planned, unfortunately they can't all be winners.
     
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    Thanks for the Insight 


    • leading the AFC with one game to go
    • The most wins between a QB and Coach
    • 3 SB wins

    I am sure the draft has something to do with these.

     
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    Ideally it would make sense, but this is not an ideal world. Its the NFL cap world. In the NFL cap world 2, 3, 4 and 7 rounds make more $ sense.
     
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    Yes, BB's had some misses which is frustrating since he hasn't had to address (in a big-time - we really, really, need one) a QB issue.  This is what kind of rubs me a bit.  He's set at the most "expensive" position, manipulates all these draft picks, you'd think he'd "hit" on defensive picks more often.  Not saying he's a crappy GM (empirical evidence easily runs contrary to that) and I also know that after winning 3 SBs the expectations are high - but you can't deny he hasn't exactly excelled with respect to defensive players lately.
     
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    Next year I hope that Belichick does for the defense what he did for offense in 2010 with Gronk and Hernanadez. And we have enough potential at QB to last or trade one for more draft picks. What do think the Jets get for Brunell ? A football autographed by Joe Namath and Suzy Kolber.
     
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    The Bleacherreport article is childish and rather baseless.  The Patriots have now gone 133-42 in the last 11 regular seasons.  No other NFL team comes close.  With a record like that, so far the team hasn't exactly been destroyed with bad decisions. 

    The draft itself is a crapshoot primarily because players will get injured, some sooner, some later.  The ones that get injured sooner are labeled busts by the ignorant media.  Yes they are busts, usually because they busted something.  But that probably wasn't a bad decision unless the GM drafted a jockey, who is guaranteed to become damaged goods early.
     
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    In Response to 2012 NFL Draft: 5 GMs That Will Destroy Their Teams with Bad Decisions:
    [QUOTE]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions#/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions/page/3 For years, everyone has showered Bill Belichick with the label of genius. They continually discussed how well he manipulated the draft by acquiring extra picks. However, not many of those extra draft picks have panned out. There are the success stories like Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. However, there are mistakes like Ron Brace and Darius Butler have set this defense back. Belichick will do like he always does and look to trade one of his two first-round picks. However, it would make more sense to package those picks and move up. The New England Patriots defense needs to add elite talent not a handful of extra draft picks.
    Posted by Hoier[/QUOTE]

    love your conclusion.
    ive been saying it since i got on this board about a year and a half ago.
     
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    [QUOTE]For every draft pick that doesn't make it there is an undrafted free agent that becomes a contributor.  You are what your record says you are, his record states that BB is the best coach in the NFL.  Period... The draft is a crapshoot, how do you measure the intangibles of a man's heart?
    Posted by wozzy[/QUOTE]


    best coach.
    50-50 gm
     
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    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

       "BB's philosophy of manipulating the draft to acquire excessive picks is sound. No one does a better job of this than he. But, it's the selections that he's making with those picks that's the problem. My guess is that it's the scouting department that's dropping the ball...and needs to be revamped."

    thanks,
    my thoughts exactly.
     
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    [QUOTE]     Should the Rams edge out the Colts for the top overall pick, they should use the choice on Andrew Luck, even though they already have Sam Bradford under contract. They can then trade Bradford to a team like the Redskins for multiple draft picks. Here's an article on this matter: There is a very good chance that the St. Louis Rams will land the top overall pick. They need a win from the Indianapolis Colts versus the Jacksonville Jaguars and a loss of their own. Landing that top pick will force GM Billy Devaney to make a very tough decision. He currently has Sam Bradford as his starting quarterback. Bradford is coming off a poor season, but still has plenty of promise. The Rams have also invested a lot time and money into him, which will make it difficult to part ways. However, Bradford Sophomore slump is a cause for concern. This combined with the fact that everyone feels Stanford's Andrew Luck possesses greater upside means that St. Louis should consider drafting Luck. There will be teams like the Washington Redskins who would be willing to to make a trade to acquire Bradford. If he lands the top overall pick, Devaney will likely hang on to Bradford and trade the pick. The trade will bring a lot of assets, but if Bradford doesn't rebound those assets will mean nothing: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions#/articles/998556-2012-nfl-draft-5-gms-that-will-destroy-their-teams-with-bad-decisions/page/4
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    tex,
     did you see that i posted this right at the end of the colts game. "colts out of luck"
     
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    [QUOTE]The fact is, BB went into the lockout by stocking up a base to rebuild with, not knowing what the rookie cap might look like or if there'd be one, let alone what the cap ceiling would be.  NO one said the picks would be immediate superstars even if people like Gronk, Hernandez, SOlder and Cannon look really good so far.  Even Mesko was a great looking pick.  On D, it's definitely a steeping curve for his picks and more misses, but it's not as bas as most other NFL teams, partly due to the scouts securing fall backs like an Arrington, Love or a Fletcher type player. This meant: 1. No/limited/cheap outside FA signings. 2. Locking down core system All Pros like Brady, Gostkowski, Mankins, Wilfork, now Mayo, etc. 3. Loading up on draft picks in need areas. Some have worked, some have not, some the jury is still out on, just like most NFL teams if not BETTER than most. Keep in mind Indy waited forever to pay Manning and now is in a complete shambles with their horrendous recent drafts and budgeting. Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, etc are all possible exits after 2011, while NE has it's veteran base locked down. And BB goes into the draft in 2012 with a rookie cap with TWO 1st rd picks again? Look at the Jets as Hannah mentions.  The irony of Kylie WIlson and Cromartie allowing a 99 yard TD is not lost on me. How on earth can the premise be about how BB will "destroy" this Pats future? If there was a time to use both 1st rd picks, possibly to trade up into the top 10 or top 5, now is it with a rookie cap. How many 13-3, 1st place teams will have two 1st rd picks next year? Answer? ZERO. NOs doesn't even have their own 1st rd pick. We have TWO. Even if BB was to simply sit at the back end of Round 1 and secure two nice key adds, he's sitting pretty.   More anti-NE media bias.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKingII[/QUOTE]

    Remember that the Pats also have Oakland's 2nd rounder in 2012, too. In fact, with some of the trades BB has made over the past two years, the Pats' 2012 draft board is unusually "top heavy," with two picks each in the first and second rounds, one third rounder, one fourth rounder, and then zero picks after the fourth round.

    So they've got six total picks but have them all come up within the first four rounds.

    They're pretty well set up to make some "bold" moves in the new rookie salary cap era, if they want to do so.

    And the notion that BB will "destroy" the Patriots with the next draft is so laughable it's not even worth commenting about.

    Whoever wrote that piece is utterly clueless and hasn't done his homework, period.
     
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    [QUOTE]The fact is, BB went into the lockout by stocking up a base to rebuild with, not knowing what the rookie cap might look like or if there'd be one, let alone what the cap ceiling would be.  NO one said the picks would be immediate superstars even if people like Gronk, Hernandez, SOlder and Cannon look really good so far.  Even Mesko was a great looking pick.  On D, it's definitely a steeping curve for his picks and more misses, but it's not as bas as most other NFL teams, partly due to the scouts securing fall backs like an Arrington, Love or a Fletcher type player. This meant: 1. No/limited/cheap outside FA signings. 2. Locking down core system All Pros like Brady, Gostkowski, Mankins, Wilfork, now Mayo, etc. 3. Loading up on draft picks in need areas. Some have worked, some have not, some the jury is still out on, just like most NFL teams if not BETTER than most. Keep in mind Indy waited forever to pay Manning and now is in a complete shambles with their horrendous recent drafts and budgeting. Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, etc are all possible exits after 2011, while NE has it's veteran base locked down. And BB goes into the draft in 2012 with a rookie cap with TWO 1st rd picks again? Look at the Jets as Hannah mentions.  The irony of Kylie WIlson and Cromartie allowing a 99 yard TD is not lost on me. How on earth can the premise be about how BB will "destroy" this Pats future? If there was a time to use both 1st rd picks, possibly to trade up into the top 10 or top 5, now is it with a rookie cap. How many 13-3, 1st place teams will have two 1st rd picks next year? Answer? ZERO. NOs doesn't even have their own 1st rd pick. We have TWO. Even if BB was to simply sit at the back end of Round 1 and secure two nice key adds, he's sitting pretty.   More anti-NE media bias.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKingII[/QUOTE]

    i dotn knwo who is saying bb is ruinging the future.
    however last year was much better time to get the d studs.
    lets see if bb gets 3 gamechanging players at the top o teh draft and what he does in fa (ie dbs)
     
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    [QUOTE]Yes, BB's had some misses which is frustrating since he hasn't had to address (in a big-time - we really, really, need one) a QB issue.  This is what kind of rubs me a bit.  He's set at the most "expensive" position, manipulates all these draft picks, you'd think he'd "hit" on defensive picks more often.  Not saying he's a crappy GM (empirical evidence easily runs contrary to that) and I also know that after winning 3 SBs the expectations are high - but you can't deny he hasn't exactly excelled with respect to defensive players lately.
    Posted by gr82bme[/QUOTE]

    agreed.
     
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    [QUOTE]Next year I hope that Belichick does for the defense what he did for offense in 2010 with Gronk and Hernanadez. And we have enough potential at QB to last or trade one for more draft picks.
    Posted by JohnHannahrulz[/QUOTE]

    agreed..
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2012 NFL Draft: 5 GMs That Will Destroy Their Teams with Bad Decisions : Remember that the Pats also have Oakland's 2nd rounder in 2012, too. In fact, with some of the trades BB has made over the past two years, the Pats' 2012 draft board is unusually "top heavy," with two picks each in the first and second rounds, one third rounder, one fourth rounder, and then zero picks after the fourth round. So they've got six total picks but have them all come up within the first four rounds. They're pretty well set up to make some "bold" moves in the new rookie salary cap era, if they want to do so. And the notion that BB will "destroy" the Patriots with the next draft is so laughable it's not even worth commenting about. Whoever wrote that piece is utterly clueless and hasn't done his homework, period.
    Posted by hardright[/QUOTE]

    "They're pretty well set up to make some "bold" moves in the new rookie salary cap era, if they want to do so."

    but will bb capitalize???
    we shall see.
     

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