2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (updated 4-25-12)

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    2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (updated 4-25-12)

         This is final 2012 NFL Mock Draft...and I can't wait for Thurday!!! What a great opportunity the Pats have to fortify their defensive front seven...as this class is deep at DE, and appears to have a multitude of pass-rushing prospects.    
         Although some see mocks as a waste of time, I enjoy doing one because it helps familiarize me with the college prospects, and the needs of each team. This in turn helps me to get an idea of what players will be available to the Patriots. Here goes:

                                                ROUND 1

    1.) Indianapolis Colts - QB Andrew Luck, Stanford: Though some media types are speculating that Indy might bypass Luck for Robert Griffin III (RG III), it's not going to happen. Luck is the closest thing to Peyton Manning to come out of college since, well, Peyton Manning. Though RG III has intriguing athletic abilities, Luck is quite an athlete himself. The difference between the two is that Luck appears to be a consummate, polished pocket passer...while Griffin is more of a Michael Vick type. Would you rather have Peyton Manning (hopefully minus the choke gene), or Michael Vick with a better IQ?;

    2.) Washington Redskins - QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor: The Redskins paid a massive price to get RG III. At Baylor, he displayed the ability to throw deep with great accuracy. I recall watching Griffin play in a game where he completed something like 25 passes in a row...several of those were long passes. The only questions on him is whether he can get the job done if contained within the pocket, whether he can stay healthy, and how well he'll do against much better competition than he faced in the Big 12. Yet, he performed brilliantly against two pretty good college teams, Texas and Oklahoma. This guy is fun to watch; 

    3.) Minnesota Vikings - OT MattKalil, USC: Minnesota has no luck in their quest to trade down. They badly needa CB. But, their need at LT is just as strong. If Christian Ponder is to have a chance of developing into a solid NFL QB, he must be protected. Kalil is the best OT prospect since Joe Thomas;

    4.) St. Louis Rams (from Cleveland Browns) - RB Trent Richardson, Alabama: Jeff Fisher loves the running game. Though RB is a devalued position, Richardson is too good to pass up. Fisher will ship the Browns his 6th and 65th overall picks to move up to #4 for the Alabama star. This in turn frees Fisher to trade RB Steven Jackson to the Patriots, for their 126th overall pick, and a conditional 3rd round pick, in 2013. Great move by the Rams, and a dumb one for the Browns. As we Patriots' fans know, the Browns became a dangerous team when they had Peyton Hillis running over people, in 2010. Unlike Hillis, Richardson would be no one year wonder. He would have plowed a path towards respectibility for Cleveland: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/trent-richardson-for-the-rams/article_45afa190-8411-508e-8683-a166bba6eaf4.html   

    5.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - CB Morris Claiborne, LSU: The Bucs need help in the secondary more than they need a RB. They are delighted to have Claiborne fall to them. Long time Bucs veteran CB , Ronde Barber, has been asked to move to safety. Barber says that the Bucs will be drafting a CB:  
    http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/tampa-bay-buccaneers-ronde-barber-doesnt-mind-move-from-cornerback-to/1225770

    6.) Cleveland Browns (from St. Louis Rams) - WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State: Again, dumb move by the Browns, passing on Richardson. But, Blackmon is the guy Mike Holgren wanted, all along.
    http://www.ohio.com/news/top-stories/2012-nfl-draft-gm-tom-heckert-says-browns-know-whom-they-want-to-pick-fourth-overall-1.301643;

    7.) Jacksonville Jaguars - CB Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina: Too much noise of late about Gilmore moving up the charts. The Jags have age and injury concerns with their secondary...and the price on a quality CB these days has gone through the roof. Choice comes down between Gilmore, DE Melvin Ingram,and DT Fletcher Cox. http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/429812/tania-ganguli/2012-04-20/peter-king-hears-jaguars-gamecocks-cb-stephon-gilmore; and  http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2012-04-21/story/jaguars-needs-pass-rushers-pass-catchers

    8.) Miami Dolphins - QB Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M: The desperate 'Fins foolishly waste their 8th overall pick on a bundle of potential. This kid is greener than grass. Still, the 'Fins must have liked his upside better than Matt Flynn.WR Michael Floyd, DE Quinton Couples, DE/OLB Melvin Ingram, DT Flether Cox, and OG David DeCastro represent a ton of ready to play talent that the 'Fins are passing on, to roll dice on Tannehill:  http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/18/2755790/note-to-miami-dolphins-jeff-ireland.html

    9.) Carolina Panthers - DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State: Though Dontari Poe had that brilliant Combine, the question remains, "Can he play football"? After all, the competition he faced was at Memphis...while Cox has battled in the rugged SEC:
    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/14/3174140/potential-panthers-draft-picks.html

    10.) Buffalo Bills - ILB Luke Kuechley, Boston College: The Bills need a LT to take over from the departed Demetris Bell, who recently signed with the Philadelphia Eagles. But, Buffalo plays in the AFC East...where Tom Brady and his two TE offense resides. No team in this division, other than perhaps the Bills themselves, has a particularly strong pass rush. So, Buffalo may be able to get by with a later pick to play tackle. The two players the Bills should consider are SS Mark Barron, and ILB Luke Kuechley. Unlike most ILBs, "Crazy Luke" can run like the wind. At 6'3", 245 lbs., you could be looking at the next Ray Lewis, or Patrick Willis. That's too much talent to pass up:  
    http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article819094.ece;

    11.) Kansas City Chiefs - OG David DeCastro, Stanford: Though this may be thought to be rather high for an OG, DeCastro is a beast. He could develop into the next Steve Hutchinson; 
     
    12.) Seattle Seahawks - DE Melvin Ingram: South Carolina: Really wanted Kuechley. This pick will come down between Ingram and Quinton Coples. If Pete Carroll feels that the reports questioning Coples intensity and desire to succeed are true, Ingram will be his choice. Though short for a DE, and possessing short arms, Ingram supposedly has a spin move similar to that of Dwight Freeney; 

    13.) Arizona Cardinals - WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame:  
    The Cards badly need help along the OL. But, the one year that they went to the SB, they did it with a dynamic group of WRS. If Matt Kalil or DeCastro were still around, they'd go OL. But, I don't see them tahing Reilly Reiff over Floyd here. Still, Floyd won't do much good if their OL can't protect;

    14.) Dallas Cowboys - SS Mark Barron, Alabama: Taking an interior lineman like Cordy Glenn or Reilly Reiff makes too much sense for the 'Boys. They have got to do a better job of protecting 32 year old Tony Romo. But, they also need help in the secondary. Getting Barron will solve a lot of problems there;

    15.) Philadelphia Eagles - DEQuinton Coples, North Carolina: The book on Andy Reid is that he loves drafting offensive and defensive lineman. Reid has also seen the great success that the NY Giants had with Jason Pierre-Paul. For these reasons, Reid will roll the dice on Coples: http://www.mcall.com/sports/football/eagles/mc-eagles-nfl-draft-defensive-line-0423-20120424,0,953757.story;

    16.) N. Y. Jets - DE/OLB Chandler Jones, Syracuse: The Jets will try, and fail, to trade up to get the best available pass-rusher in this draft, Melvin Ingram. They'll settle for the fast rising Jones, most likely because they know that the Patriots also showed some interest in him...LOL!!!; 

    17.) Cincinnati Bengals- CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama: A need pick for the Bengals, who look to fortify their secondary;   

    18.) San Diego Chargers - DE/OLB Shea McClellin, Boise State: The Bolts hope that the fast rising McClellin is the second coming of Clay Matthews:
    http://www.nctimes.com/blogsnew/sports/paris/paris-same-old-draft-formula-won-t-ring-true-for/article_dde721bd-7378-5250-ac17-329d591446b3.html

    19.) Chicago Bears - OT Reilly Reiff, Iowa: The Bears finally address their OL. They can't have Jay Cutler going down with a season ending injury again;

    20.) Tennessee Titans: DT Dontari Poe, Memphis: Local kid stays home. The Titans hope that he's the second coming of Vince Wilfolk:  http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120419/SPORTS01/304190080/Chavous-mock-draft-Look-Titans-go-defensive?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports Tennessee Titans; and
    http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sports/draft-analyst-says-pass-rusher-titans-need-might-want-likely-available-no-20

    21.) Cincinnati Bengals - DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw, Alabama: Marvin Lewis hopes that Upshaw becomes the playmaker on "D", that Keith Rivers never became: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120422/SPT02/304220076/Weapons-Bengals-wish-list?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Bengals

    22.) Cleveland Browns - OT/OG Cordy Glenn, Georgia: Pass protection at right tackle was a huge problem for the Browns last year;

    23.) Baltimore Ravens (from Detroit Lions) - ILB Dont'a Hightower, Alabama: The Lions desperately needed secondary help. Since they dare not risk taking Janoris Jenkins here, no other CB is worth the 23rd overall pick. So, they instead decide to trade down with the Ravens, who jump ahead of the Steelers to snag Hightower. Baltimore trades their 29th and 61st overall picks to Detroit for the Lions' 23rd overall selection;

    24.) Pittsburgh Steelers: OG Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin: The interiorof the Steelers' OL, other than C Maurkice Pouncey, sucks. If the Steelers ever want to get back to running the ball, and keep Big Ben intact, it must be addressed;

    25.) Denver Broncos- DT Jerel Worthy, Michigan State: The Broncos lost DT Brodrick Bunkley through free agency. Worthy will replace him, and then some; 

    26.) Houston Texans - WR Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech: The Texans add a deep threat, across from Andre Johnson;

    27.) Chicago Bears (from New England Patriots)- DT Michael Brockers, LSU: The pass-rushers that the Patriots wanted are gone. Rather than take Brockers or safety Harrison Smith, their accept an offer they can't refuse from the Bears. Chicago sends the Pats their 50th and 150th overall picks this year, and their #1 next year, for the Pats' 27th overall pick;

    28.) Green Bay Packers: SS Harrison Smith, Notre Dame: 
    The Pack, like the Pats, needs help in the secondary;   

    29.) Detroit Lions - RB Doug Martin, Boise State: The Lions need help at CB. Rather than take a risk on the tainted Janoris Jenkins and Alfonzo Dennard (recent arrest for assaulting a peace officer), or reaching for a CB, they select the best player available on their board, at a position of need;

    30.) San Francisco 49ers - OG Amini Salotalu, Midwestern State: The 49ers try to fill a hole at RG with the underrated Salotalu;

    31.) Atlanta Falcons (from New England Patriots) - DE/OLB Nick Perry, USC: Falcons badly need help at DE. They trade their 55th and 157th overall picks this year, and their #1 draft choice next year, to the Pats for their 31st pick;

    32.) New York Giants - DE/OLB Andre Branch, Clemson: The G-men realize why they've won two SB in the last 5 years. With the aging Osi Umenyiora complaining again, they add another young pass-rusher;

                                             ROUND 2

    33.) St. Louis Rams - DT Devon Still, Penn State: Rams hope to solidify their DL with the massive Still; 

    34.) Indianapolis Colts - C/OG Peter Konz, Wisconsin: New look Colts' pick up a center to be Andrew Luck's Jeff Saturday;

    35.) Minnesota Vikings - CB Josh Robinson, Central Florida: Vikings reach to add to their decimated secondary, by selecting one of the fastest CBs in the draft; 

    36.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - RB David Wilson, Virginia Tech: The Bucs need bolster their RB position with Wilson;

    37.) Cleveland Browns - QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State: Browns reunite the Weeden to Blackmon Oklahoma State combo;  

    38.) Jacksonville Jaguars - WR Kendall Wright, Baylor:  The Jags are thrilled that Wright slips top them, at #38; 

    39.) St. Louis Rams- WR Rueben Randle, LSU: Rams add a badly needed WR to their arsenal; 

    40.) Carolina Panthers - WR Brian Quick, Appalachian State: A new weapon for QB Cam Newton; 

    41.) Buffalo Bills - OT Bobby Massie, Mississippi State: Bills add their OT to replace the departed Demetris Bell; 

    42.) Miami Dolphins - OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford: The 'Fins get a RT to bolster their OL; 

    43.) Seattle Seahawks - DE/DT Kendall Reyes, UConn: Size and bulk added to the Seattle DL;

    44.) Kansas City Chiefs: NT Ta'amu Alameda, Washington: Stout, stumpy NT that Romeo crennel hopes becomes his Vince Wilfolk. A block of granite in the center of a 3-4; 

    45.) Dallas Cowboys - OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, Illinois: Cowboys add a pass-rusher; 

    46.) Philadelphia Eagles - CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama: Andy Reid takes a huge gamble on the talented, but immature Jenkins;

    47.) N. Y. Jets - RB Lamar Miller, Miami: The Jets have nothing at RB;

    48.) New England Patriots - DT Brandon Thompson, Clemson: Thompson should be the perfect replacement/substitute for Vince Wilfolk. The kid is a block of granite inside...immovable against the run. He also has the power to collapse the pocket on passing downs. Thompson is one of my favorite players in the draft;   

    49.) San Diego Chargers - SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina: San Diego is even weaker at safety than the Patriots;

    50.) New England Patriots (from Chicago Bears) - OLB/DE Vinny Curry, Marshall: The Pats hope that Curry is the pass-rusher at OLB/DE that they are looking for;  

    51.) Philadelphia Eagles- QB Brock Osweiler, Arizona State: Eagles hope to land their QB of the future in the 6'7" Osweiler; 

    52.) Tennessee Titans - CB Casey Howard, Vanderbilt: Titans try to find a replacement for Cortland Finnegan;

    53.) Cincinnati Bengals- RB Isiah Pead, Cincinnati: Breakaway threat to compliment RB BJGE;

    54.) Detroit Lions - OT Mike Adams, Ohio State: Matthew Stafford needs better protection; 

    55.) New England Patriots (from Atlanta Falcons) - DE/DT Derek Wolfe, Cincinnati: The Patriots continue to build up their front seven. Wolf could make an outstanding 3-4 DE;

    56.) Pittsburgh Steelers - RB Chris Polk, Washington: Rashard Mendenhall may well be done. Polk is a powerhouse runner in the Steeler mold;

    57.) Denver Broncos- WR Alshon Jeffrey, South Carolina: Another weapon for Peyton Manning;

    58.) Houston Texans - OT Jeff Allen, Illinois: The Texans strive to improve their OL;

    59.) New Orleans Saints - forfeited, along with their 2013 second round  pick, due to Bounty-gate scandal;

    60.) Green Bay Packers - CB Javon Hosley, Virginia Tech:
    Packers' secondary is aging;

    61.) Detroit Lions (from Baltimore Ravens) - CB Trumaine Johnson, Montana: RLions must address their weak secondary;

    62.) San Francisco 49ers: CB Alonzo Dennard, Nebraska: 49ers take a chance on this knucklehead, adding depth in their secondary, and an excellent re;

    63.) New England Patriots: CB Brandon Boykin, Georgia: Pats add depth to their secondary...and add an excellent kick returner to boot. Tough choice here, between Boykin and safety Brandon Taylor of LSU.
        
    64.) N. Y. Giants: TE Dwayne Allen, Clemson: Giants take a page from the Patriots by adding a compliment TE to Jake Ballard.  

         I know how many of you hate it when the Pats trade down. But, considering where they're selecting, it seems to be the thing to do. 

         To summarize, if things go according to my updated mock, the Pats go ballistic defense. They select defensive linemen Brandon Thompson and Derek Wolfe, OLB/DE Vinny Curry, and CB/KR Brandon Boykin. On offense, they add RB Steven Jackson via trade. 

         In addition, the Pats add two 5th rounders, the 150th and 157th picks, respectively...and two first rounders in 2013.   

         What's your opinions on this mock? Would you favor the proposed trade-downs? If not, who would you have preferred to see them take, at picks 27 and 31, and why? 

          
     
     
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    Re: 2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (3/10/12)

    Sorry Tex.  If we trade out of a chance to land Brockers at 27 I would hate that draft.  Not a big fan of the idea of using our 31st for Webb either.  Like the trade down value in this mock, but don't really like the resulting talent.

     
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    Not excited about that at all from a Pats fan perspective

    The Pats can sign a better CB than Webb w/o having to give up a 1st rd pick (Finnegan/Carr)

    Then they'd have 4 solid ones with Webb, yet would use another 2nd rd pick on a corner? So does this mean McCourty is our FS next year, b/c safety would be the much bigger concern with Webb/Ras-I joining the unit that made it to the Super Bowl

    Thompson is a slight upgrade to Love/Brace, but not the type od DE you want getting after the QB in a 3-4 front, if Brockers or Still are there at 27 and we trade down for a '13 1st rd pick I will be beside myself with rage

    and there are several WR's I prefer to Adams
     
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    Not sure BB would trade away both first rounders, not usually in his MO, but we will see.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (3/10/12):
    [QUOTE]Not excited about that at all from a Pats fan perspective The Pats can sign a better CB than Webb w/o having to give up a 1st rd pick (Finnegan/Carr)
     
    RESPONSE: Interesting point on Carr...although Finnegan is no where near the player that Webb is. Here's Carr's stats: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11363/brandon-carr
         Carr has been linked to the Dallas Cowboys...where Jerry Jones is ready to open the vault. 
         Tracy Porter is another option. 
         If the Pats sign Webb to a long term offer sheet, they'll be bidding against nobody. Webb may take less money to sign a long term deal now, as a RFA, rather than as an UFA. Plus, the Pats can name their own price. If Baltimore meets it, the Pats lose nothing.  
     

    Then they'd have 4 solid ones with Webb, yet would use another 2nd rd pick on a corner? So does this mean McCourty is our FS next year, b/c safety would be the much bigger concern with Webb/Ras-I joining the unit that made it to the Super Bowl
     
    RESPONSE: Yes...I see McCourty playing FS . I don't want to see the mess that the Pats had in the secondary last year, again. I definately don't want to see Julian Edelman playing back there. A team can never have too many CBs. 

    Thompson is a slight upgrade to Love/Brace, but not the type od DE you want getting after the QB in a 3-4 front,
     
    RESPONSE: Brace is a bust...that's why Thompson is needed. Vince Wilfolk played far too many downs last year. Thompson can spell him.

    if Brockers or Still are there at 27 and we trade down for a '13 1st rd pick I will be beside myself with rage
     
    RESPONSE: Brockers is overated, and had a poor showing at the Combine. That's why he's sliding. Still won't be there at #27.

    and there are several WR's I prefer to Adams

    RESPONSE: Who are they...and will there be available at the 63rd overall pick? The Pats must find a replacement for Wes Welker. He's likely gone next year. The Pats also need an upgrade over Deion Branch. You're also discounting Adams' value as a kick returner.  
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]
     
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    I see the benefits to 'naming our price' with Webb, esp b/c we lose nothing if the Ravens match

    as long as we view giving him 25-30 million, over Finnegan/Porter/Carr 40 million and a 1st rd pick 8-9 million, as 20 million saved to add another free agent.

    For example if we see depth at ILB b/c of Spikes speed/injury concerns as an issue, and can get Curtis Lofton (instead of a 3rd rd pick used there or an old vet like London Fletcher) b/c Webb 'saved' us money over a top FA CB, well that is good business

    Finnegan has the Harrison nastiness and rep that may scare other teams away but is desperately needed in our secondary, like Rodney was in '03
     
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    I like Still over Brockers, ideally (or in my perfect world) we'd get a 2nd rd pick for Hoyer, then be able to moves picks 27/61 for either a pick around 16-18 (and a 5th) pick 19-21 (and a 4th) or pick 22-24 (and a 3rd).

    We get Still at that spot, instant impact starter who plays inside and outside, add a later draft pick and still have pick 31, a pick in the 36-52 range (for Hoyer) and the Raiders pick at 48 to add those borderline starters who greatly improve the depth.
     
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    [QUOTE]Not excited about that at all from a Pats fan perspective The Pats can sign a better CB than Webb w/o having to give up a 1st rd pick (Finnegan/Carr) Then they'd have 4 solid ones with Webb, yet would use another 2nd rd pick on a corner? So does this mean McCourty is our FS next year, b/c safety would be the much bigger concern with Webb/Ras-I joining the unit that made it to the Super Bowl Thompson is a slight upgrade to Love/Brace, but not the type od DE you want getting after the QB in a 3-4 front, if Brockers or Still are there at 27 and we trade down for a '13 1st rd pick I will be beside myself with rage and there are several WR's I prefer to Adams
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    well said And i agree rame

     
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    [QUOTE]I see the benefits to 'naming our price' with Webb, esp b/c we lose nothing if the Ravens match as long as we view giving him 25-30 million, over Finnegan/Porter/Carr 40 million and a 1st rd pick 8-9 million, as 20 million saved to add another free agent. For example if we see depth at ILB b/c of Spikes speed/injury concerns as an issue, and can get Curtis Lofton (instead of a 3rd rd pick used there or an old vet like London Fletcher) b/c Webb 'saved' us money over a top FA CB, well that is good business Finnegan has the Harrison nastiness and rep that may scare other teams away but is desperately needed in our secondary, like Rodney was in '03
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    im on that train as well

     
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    [QUOTE]I like Still over Brockers, ideally (or in my perfect world) we'd get a 2nd rd pick for Hoyer, then be able to moves picks 27/61 for either a pick around 16-18 (and a 5th) pick 19-21 (and a 4th) or pick 22-24 (and a 3rd). We get Still at that spot, instant impact starter who plays inside and outside, add a later draft pick and still have pick 31, a pick in the 36-52 range (for Hoyer) and the Raiders pick at 48 to add those borderline starters who greatly improve the depth.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    rame,

    i like  reyes, still, brockers at 27. what value do you think reyes has at 27. i like all 3.

    some of teh better draft sites have brockers as a top 5-10 players in this draft.

    still or brockers would have to fall to make it to 27.

    brockers falling due to combine, but to make it to 27, a risk if you wait to get him.

    still hard to believe he makes it.

    reyes might.
     
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    Interesting, in-depth shot at something that is always a mystery until BB actually pulls the trigger, TP.  Equally interesting comments from other posters as well, particularly ramekapp. 

    I do note that BB traded out of the first round completely in the 2009 draft.  Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't do it again.
     
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    I don't like that draft at all.  Enough with the piling picks up in future drafts, how about upgrading the talent on the team NOW.  Make some picks BB.
     
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    [QUOTE]Interesting, in-depth shot at something that is always a mystery until BB actually pulls the trigger, TP.  Equally interesting comments from other posters as well, particularly ramekapp.  I do note that BB traded out of the first round completely in the 2009 draft.  Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't do it again.
    Posted by ATJ[/QUOTE]

         It appears that by the time the Pats pick at #27, all the top defensive players will be gone. Fot this reason, BB likely will trade down. 

         The Pats need to upgrade their secondary. The Lardarius Webb move would do that...but it's a wild shot. Whether the Pats pull something like that off depends on what they think of Webb, and whether they can reach a contractual agreement with him.

         That said, it appears that Webb is better than any defensive player...and certainly any CB...available to the Pats at pick #31. Ram is right about there being other CBs available that can be had without surrendering a first round pick. But...Finnegan is not nearly as good as Webb, and is likely will sign in St. Louis, to play for his ex-coach, Jeff Fisher. Carr is an ascending player, but Dallas is prepared to offer him the moon.   
     
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    I think you have both Poe and Mercilus going way too high although perhaps I am not up to date with the most current rumors.  Overall I think you are overestimating how much stock teams put in the combine.  I could see New England doing either of the things you described with the 2 firsts, but I'd be surprised if they did both.  I agree that Carr and Finnegan are unlikely because of cost (I also happen to think Finnegan is wildly overrated).
     
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    I would be thrilled with that, but I don't see those 2nd rd players dropping to where NE picks.  Thompson from Clemson, maybe.

    I like the idea of Adams since he played with Mallett.   However, I don't like the Ladarius Webb idea.   I don't get this logic. It's very non-BB like.

    I'd rather just invest in Dennard and move him to Safety and have him be that guy they need at FS, v.s. chasing down other teams' trendy "breakout" CBs.  I think BB is onto something with how his scouts identified the MOlden and Moore types. It's good system depth and that is a big deal in this secondary.

    Some apparently think McCourty now stinks, which I do not.  I also feel Dowling is legit, but the health is a concern.  Arrington is as solid as you'll find at RCB in the AFC.  

    The upgrade needs to really come at DT, DE (youth) and OLB after they address the FS spot.   I like Love, but if they can get more talent next to Wilfork to help him and then use Pryor as a possible starter or pass rushing interior player in the 4-3, that's what will help the defense. Love is solid, but they need to upgrade that role in the 4-3 and try to upgrade the 3-4 OLB role, whether it be continuing to use Anderson or using the draft for that.
     
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    There's an article on nepatsdraft.com that seconds your opinion. Written by Doug Kyed and entitiled: "Why the Pats should trade out of the first round", the author and responders argue that there are only so many 1st round talents, 15 or so, and the rest are more second round talents. That trading down enhances the possibilities to add depth, (how'd that work this year?), and that the first person taken at a position is only marginally likely to be better than the second, third, etc., QB probably the notable exception. Anyone can mock a draft. What I find challenging is projecting trades. TP, you make bold projections with NE trading with SD, Balt and CIN, which are nevertheless reasonable as described. However, I think we would all expect trades more likely with NFC teams.
     
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    How did the depth thing work this year?  Great, actually!  It was one of BB's best drafts and FA periods in his tenure.

    Agree on trading with NFC teams.  That's one more reason to not trade a 1st rder to an aging Ravens club.  They're an AFC rival right now.
     
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    In a year when rookies will cost less than ever before in the modern age, I don't see BB trading down and out of the first round entirely.  

    Moreover are we really mocking draft picks based on conjecture from one Raven's insider who, believe it, would love to see the Ravens turn a 3rd round draftee (Webb) into a 1st round pick.  Webb is 180 pounds soaking wet and has one solid season under his belt in a great system surrounded by great players, he is Asante Samuel light to me, overrated, over valued... 

    McCourty, Ras Dowling and Arrington are the starters at corner, when healthy all are as good or better than Webb. We need a strong safety to plug in next to Chung, not another corner IMO.  We need beef up front, take a D tackle/end and maybe a safety in the 1st if quality is still there.


     
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    [QUOTE]I would be thrilled with that, but I don't see those 2nd rd players dropping to where NE picks.  Thompson from Clemson, maybe. I like the idea of Adams since he played with Mallett.   However, I don't like the Ladarius Webb idea.   I don't get this logic. It's very non-BB like. I'd rather just invest in Dennard and move him to Safety and have him be that guy they need at FS, v.s. chasing down other teams' trendy "breakout" CBs.

    RESPONSE: The top CBs are Claiborne, Jenkins, Kirkpatrick, and Gilmore. After that, there's a drop-off. Webb is a known quantity. 

      I think BB is onto something with how his scouts identified the MOlden and Moore types. It's good system depth and that is a big deal in this secondary. Some apparently think McCourty now stinks, which I do not.

    RESPONSE: The Pats need a FS. McCourty played well there late in the season...after having all kinds of problems in coverage. 

      I also feel Dowling is legit, but the health is a concern.  Arrington is as solid as you'll find at RCB in the AFC.

    RESPONSE: Dowling has the tools to succeed...but is never healthy. Until he shows that he can play at least 12 of 16 regular season games, the Pats can't rely on him

       The upgrade needs to really come at DT, DE (youth) and OLB after they address the FS spot.   I like Love, but if they can get more talent next to Wilfork to help him and then use Pryor as a possible starter or pass rushing interior player in the 4-3, that's what will help the defense. Love is solid, but they need to upgrade that role in the 4-3 and try to upgrade the 3-4 OLB role, whether it be continuing to use Anderson or using the draft for that.

    RESPONSE: Agreed. But, the best defenders will be gone by the time the Pats pick at #27. Brockers is vastly overrated.
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    In Response to Re: 2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (3/11/12):
    [QUOTE]I like Still over Brockers, ideally (or in my perfect world) we'd get a 2nd rd pick for Hoyer, then be able to moves picks 27/61 for either a pick around 16-18 (and a 5th) pick 19-21 (and a 4th) or pick 22-24 (and a 3rd). We get Still at that spot, instant impact starter who plays inside and outside, add a later draft pick and still have pick 31, a pick in the 36-52 range (for Hoyer) and the Raiders pick at 48 to add those borderline starters who greatly improve the depth.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

         I like Still, too. But, I don't see him being available at pick #27.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (3/10/12):
    [QUOTE]In Response to 2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (3/10/12) : very thorough and well thought out as usual TP...we'll see what happens
    Posted by JintsFan[/QUOTE]

         Jints...I almost gave the Giants an OT at pick #32, but thought that the local kid (Rutgers) Sanu was too good to pass on. I also considered a RB at #32.

         What do you think is the Giants' greatest need?
     
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    In Response to Re: 2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (3/11/12):
    [QUOTE]There's an article on nepatsdraft.com that seconds your opinion. Written by Doug Kyed and entitiled: "Why the Pats should trade out of the first round", the author and responders argue that there are only so many 1st round talents, 15 or so, and the rest are more second round talents. That trading down enhances the possibilities to add depth, (how'd that work this year?),
     
    RESPONSE: It turned out fine. RB Mark Ingram, taken by the Saints with the Pats 28th overall pick, was vastly overrated. In return, the Pats got the Saints 56th overall pick in 2011, and the 27th overall pick this year. It's not the trading down that's hurting the Patriots, it's the players that they're selecting with their choices. For example, the Pats had a need for a deep threat WR...yet passed on Torrie Smith, the fastest WR in last years' draft. Smith was chosen by the Ravens, and appears to be a future star. Meanwhile, the Pats took Cal RB Shane Vereen. 

    and that the first person taken at a position is only marginally likely to be better than the second, third, etc., QB probably the notable exception. Anyone can mock a draft. What I find challenging is projecting trades. TP, you make bold projections with NE trading with SD, Balt and CIN, which are nevertheless reasonable as described. However, I think we would all expect trades more likely with NFC teams.

    RESPONSE: This isn't so. The Pats have traded picks with San Diego, Oakland, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Miami, Baltimore, and Cincinnati, over the past decade.
    Posted by teegee[/QUOTE]
     
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    Posted by TexasPat[/QUOTE]

    I just can't see the jagwires taking Couples at #7. Too much downside on this guy to risk a top 10 pick, when they have their choice of any other Dlineman in the draft.

    If he's taken here and crashes and burns, it kills Del Rio's career, which is already on the brink of the abyss.
     
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    In Response to Re: 2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (3/11/12):
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2012 NFL MOCK DRAFT (3/11/12) :      I like Still, too. But, I don't see him being available at pick #27.
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    Still could fall. There aren't too many teams looking for a DT in the first round and with Poe, Brockers, Cox, and even Reyes and Worthy. There are plenty of DTs who could be taken before Still.
     

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