***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    PatsEng,

    I don't think Nink is a better OLB.

    I slightly disagree, but only if he is being used as an OLB like he was in '10, last year he was more of a 4-3 LB and clearly carries 15-20 more lbs than that position typically demands and will never be that speed/athlete guy. But as a 3-4 OLB he can still help set the edge, he is no slower than Vrabel, and will hopefully still rip the ball away from a few RB's, but also get a couple INT's. He is probably adequate at both positions and a perfect depth guy.

    It's funny how everyone looks at DE and assumes they have to be pass rushers. That's essentially what Madden and fantasy football has done to our minds. Though pass rushing is great a key aspect that a lot of people over look is control an edge. This is where Nink shines. He is great in the run game and against screens.

    I think stopping the run, controlling the edge, etc. are equally important to pass-rushing, although you have to get some pressure on the QB, which is where Nink is below average and Jones is being held non-stop. I am not against Nink, I just want him as a hybrid front 7 guy playing 30-40% of the snaps off the bench, with a borderline all-pro at DE here, not aelying on Nink as an 85% of the game starter.

    Think about how many times in the last 5 weeks a team has gained more the 2+ yards running sweeps to Nink's edge or even how many times a team even attempted a screen on his side. It just doesn't happen. But, those are things that don't show up in stats so no one ever pays attention to them. If you want a perfect example look at Anderson. When Anderson had to start for us as DE teams ran all over him. When we played Buf notice how often we ran it right at Anderson? Anderson was giving up huge chunks on the ground and against screens. The OL had their way with him.

    Agreed, I didn't shed a tear when Anderson left, although I thought it was more b/c we were switching back to a 3-4, but I prefer Nink at DE to him of course, esp at 1/3 the $.

    Now Cunningham is exactly like Anderson without the pass rushing moves. Both are best used as pass rushing specialists as either 43 DE's or 34 OLB's in pass situations but I wouldn't want either as starters. Nink however, is to slow to be a 34 OLB and would suffer both trying to get to the QB and in pass protection. Nink's best role is an edge setting 43 DE

    I think good O-lines and RB's will expose him in the long-run, but as I said he is adequate. I'd rather have him starting at DE than OLB but I prefer a Nink (2 down) Cunningham (1) platoon at 3-4 OLB with an absolute stud DE like Seymour or even just a solid started like Warre/B-Ham upfront to what we have now.

    For the draft if you are looking at interior rushers you want a big almost NT sized guy. That's because we have smaller DE's so having larger interior guys forces the opposing O to keep 4 people inside giving you at least one 1v1 on the edge.

    Agreed, we need to upgrade Love and rotate him in just 20-30% of the time as one of the league's better backup DT's

    For the outside you want taller lanky guys to bat down balls but here's the trick. Jones is your pass rushing specialist you want someone who and set and control an edge on the other side first and foremost. By then you shut down the run on 3/4 of the field and force it towards one sideline.

    So you are:

    1. Fine with our ends being Nink/Jones for the future

    2. Desiring a monster DT

    3. Not interested in transitioning back to BB's bread and butter 3-4?

    I was thinking Bill had finally gotten the linebackers together that rivaled the late 90's early 00's group. Now he has to find the DE's again. But you think the failed Haynesworth experiement is what he still wants and Love is/should be just a placeholder until a 340lb monster can be found?

    That's where you can place Mayo or Hightower who both know how to contain. Of course you hope they can drop back into coverage too and have some pass rushing ability but their main job should be controling the edge (one reason BB loves Nink so much and let Anderson go and won't give the job to Cunningham). It's all about forcing the opposing O to tunnel 1 aspect of the game to the direction you want it to go. That's one thing the Giants have going for them in their front 4. They have 2 DE's that can both set the edge and get to the passer. It's what makes them so dangerous, because you can't run or pass on those edges.

    Well we can upgrade at DE with a guy that can do both (like Okafor) but in the 25-40 range you are more likely to find juts pure-rush guys and not the all-around talent. I agree that a monster DT would make us really scary.

     
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    After Sundays game a couple of things really stuck out to me


    1) When Wilfork was not in the game the D really took a heavy hit

    2) Nink once he gets going is an adequent end though an upgrade would be nice

    3) Love will never provide an interior rush nor can he hold up against the run if Wilfork isn't next to him

     

    With that in mind I'm going to focus solely on finding a DT/NT to have next to Wilfork. If I was targetting that position right now I'm looking at

    #1 Jonathan Jenkins - even if you need to move up 10 spots well worth the pick. He's a younger version of Wilfork imo

    #2 Daniel McCullers - though not Jenkins he has more power and explosiveness then Love. He has some moves to get to the QB but is still a bit raw on leverage against bigger OL and needs to expand his pass rushing moves. Still he's a nice backup plan if Jenkins is out of reach

    #3 Jesse Williams - Just on shear raw potential he's one of the top DT's in his class but with raw potential comes the raw aspect. This kid is going to need work and might take a year to develop

    What about a FA DT?

    I like Alan Branch of the Seahawks. We'll see him a lot this weekend. 6'6" and 325.

     
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    rame, not sure where you thought BB's bread and butter was the 34. He won in 01' with a 43 and admittedly because of injury I believe in either 03' or 04' they used the 43 to win another SB. He also ran the 43 with the Giants and for a time with the Browns. Frankly BB only switched to a 34 because he had Wilfork, Warren, and Seymour who all three demanded the attention like a 4 DL would. You are looking at a HoF in Seymour, a borderline HoF in Wilfork, and a guy who made a couple pro-bowls in Warren. You might never seen a 3 man line like that again.


    but to your points:

    1) Since we will most likely have a late 1st (hopefully #32) I want them to spend it on an interior guy so for the time being I'm fine with Nink and Jones. Overall I'd like to replace Nink with an upgrade but I don't see one on this team currently and starting caliber DE's that can run defend and pass rush are rare and expensive on the market

    2) Yep want a monster DT. Someone that can take a double team and push them backwards. Someone that can make a human wall with Wilfork and cover the A, B, and even reach into the C gaps giving our edge guys free reign. Someone that you need to keep 4 people in because you don't want to single up either them or Wilfork with just a G

    3) As explained BB's bread and butter is not the 34, he actually won more SB's running a 43 then 34. The only reason he went to a 34 was because he had all-pro talent across the front 7 who were suited to a 34 package. Right now we aren't even close to that. We have 1 legit all-pro DL in Wilfork but in a 34 we have JAG DE's then you have an over abundance of LB's between Jones, Mayo, Hightower, Nink, Spikes, Cunningham. That's a lot of talent to leave sitting on a bench

     
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    South Carolina vs LSU, ND vs Stanford, Texas vs Oklahoma and all on at diffrent times!

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    oaklahoma/texas is negligible- but i dont like texas , i like stanford, and s. carolina ( re lsu / carolina, really hoping that the team that wins will be the one that will be teh best at teh end of the year).

     
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    by the way, see the rankings today?

    ohio state, kansas state, nd are all better than lsu? try playing them.

    in fact wv mgiht have a problem.

    i think they underrank how good florida is/was.

    on the other hand, south car. and florida play one another and regardles who wins are probably still both one of teh best 4 teams in teh country.

     

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    You can't have a (1) loss team ahead of (3) undefeated teams.

    LSU has the same issues as ND... a BCS Championship level defense with an unproven/inconsistent offense.  ND in particular is 2nd in the nation in scoring defense (behind only Alabama) and hasn't given up a TD in any of the last (3) games vs. Michigan St/Michigan/Miami, the first two were ranked at the time and Miami just came off of a ACC record passing performance vs. NC St the week before... granted there was some luck involved in the Miami game as one of their WR's dropp two potential TD catches in their first drive... but did little after.

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    "You can't have a (1) loss team ahead of (3) undefeated teams"

    absoluitley disagree with this. you are ranking the best team. # of losses is not the point.

    i see nd has improved

    like to see them play lsu first or s carolina, florida, etc before putting them ahead of lsu.

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    And ND is one of the best teams, as have been KSU and WVU.  All three have flaws as does LSU, but you can't just keep them ahead of teams based solely on SEC bias... they lost to a good football and should drop as a result. 

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    what you are claling sec bias (yes i am a sec and florida teams fan) i call seeing who would be better (no different than an nfl power rnaking) if they played against each other. i do it in the nfl without bias as well. and if i was an oregon fan i would sayt the same thing. 

    nothing wrong if we differ. can we agree on that?

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    There is a national SEC bias in general, I'm guilty in a sense as I say it all the time... best conference in America, I just dont believe rankings should be skewed towards SEC teams based on reputation... if you lose, you drop.  I also haven't seen anything from LSU this year that would tell me that they'd definitely beat ND/WVU or KSU... with that being said, we'll certainly learn more about his team over the next month as they'll play (4) teams currently ranked (South Carolina, Tex A&M, Bama & MSU) including (2) in the current top 4.

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    hey mb,

    how goes it today?

    my opinon,

    re if you lose you drop, i am not in accordance with this even if it happens. you mention we will learn about lsu from coming games. what will we learn about whether lsu can beat nd or kansas state?

    im not saying they def beat nd or ws. im saying id like to see them do so or any of teh top 4 sec teams before being ranked 7th and 6th. when florida and  sout carolina play, do you think the loser should drop below ks and nd? though it liley will happen (if ks an nd win), it's bs. who is the better team (period) not who has more wins. that is why ratings are crap. it favors dramatically teams who play a weaker schedule

     
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    South Carolina vs LSU, ND vs Stanford, Texas vs Oklahoma and all on at diffrent times!

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    SC

    ND

    TX

    Nice to see them splitting up the good matchups a bit!

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    mb, curious why you want sc to win, and texas for that matter as well 

    :)

     
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    rame, not sure where you thought BB's bread and butter was the 34. He won in 01' with a 43 and admittedly because of injury I believe in either 03' or 04' they used the 43 to win another SB. He also ran the 43 with the Giants and for a time with the Browns. Frankly BB only switched to a 34 because he had Wilfork, Warren, and Seymour who all three demanded the attention like a 4 DL would. You are looking at a HoF in Seymour, a borderline HoF in Wilfork, and a guy who made a couple pro-bowls in Warren. You might never seen a 3 man line like that again.


    but to your points:

    1) Since we will most likely have a late 1st (hopefully #32) I want them to spend it on an interior guy so for the time being I'm fine with Nink and Jones. Overall I'd like to replace Nink with an upgrade but I don't see one on this team currently and starting caliber DE's that can run defend and pass rush are rare and expensive on the market

    2) Yep want a monster DT. Someone that can take a double team and push them backwards. Someone that can make a human wall with Wilfork and cover the A, B, and even reach into the C gaps giving our edge guys free reign. Someone that you need to keep 4 people in because you don't want to single up either them or Wilfork with just a G

    3) As explained BB's bread and butter is not the 34, he actually won more SB's running a 43 then 34. The only reason he went to a 34 was because he had all-pro talent across the front 7 who were suited to a 34 package. Right now we aren't even close to that. We have 1 legit all-pro DL in Wilfork but in a 34 we have JAG DE's then you have an over abundance of LB's between Jones, Mayo, Hightower, Nink, Spikes, Cunningham. That's a lot of talent to leave sitting on a bench

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    The '01 team had Seymour, who even as a rookie could play both inside and out, but mostly played DE. Two pure DE's in Hamilton and Pleasant and only one guy in Brandon Mitchell who was considered a DT. But it was more of a 3-4 line b/c McGinest played the Elephant, and put his hand down or dropped into coverage depending on the situation. and only 2-3 of those other 4 were every really on the field together. 

    Then there was Vrabel, Cox, Bruschi and Johnson as the 4 LB's (and even Roman Phifer and Matt chatham saw plenty of time). Making the '01 team probably the best group of linebackers in the league and a team that played what most everybody would call a 3-4 defense, but of course BB mixed it up and showed all kinds of fronts at all times and that is what made it scary. but our current group of LB's (or 'DE's' in nink/Cunningham) mostly resemble the LB's of those years.

    I am also fine with Nink at DE and going with a monster DT in order to remain more of a 4-3 defense. No way am I saying try to play a 3-4 NOW with the JAG guys as you say who are not equipped to be five tech guys.

    What I was wanting to discuss was the direction of the future, if it was smarter to use Jones like McGinest, try to get two Warren/Seymour types, and then just have Nink and Cunningham share the other OLB spot since neither seems to be going to a pro-bowl anytime soon as a full-time starter (or DE) but both have their specifics strengths. But as said many times it is probably much easier to find ONE monster DT and keep the status quo at the ends.

     

     
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    by the way, see the rankings today?

    ohio state, kansas state, nd are all better than lsu? try playing them.

    in fact wv mgiht have a problem.

    i think they underrank how good florida is/was.

    on the other hand, south car. and florida play one another and regardles who wins are probably still both one of teh best 4 teams in teh country.

     

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    You can't have a (1) loss team ahead of (3) undefeated teams.

    LSU has the same issues as ND... a BCS Championship level defense with an unproven/inconsistent offense.  ND in particular is 2nd in the nation in scoring defense (behind only Alabama) and hasn't given up a TD in any of the last (3) games vs. Michigan St/Michigan/Miami, the first two were ranked at the time and Miami just came off of a ACC record passing performance vs. NC St the week before... granted there was some luck involved in the Miami game as one of their WR's dropp two potential TD catches in their first drive... but did little after.

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    "You can't have a (1) loss team ahead of (3) undefeated teams"

    absoluitley disagree with this. you are ranking the best team. # of losses is not the point.

    i see nd has improved

    like to see them play lsu first or s carolina, florida, etc before putting them ahead of lsu.

    peace bro

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    And ND is one of the best teams, as have been KSU and WVU.  All three have flaws as does LSU, but you can't just keep them ahead of teams based solely on SEC bias... they lost to a good football and should drop as a result. 

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    what you are claling sec bias (yes i am a sec and florida teams fan) i call seeing who would be better (no different than an nfl power rnaking) if they played against each other. i do it in the nfl without bias as well. and if i was an oregon fan i would sayt the same thing. 

    nothing wrong if we differ. can we agree on that?

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    There is a national SEC bias in general, I'm guilty in a sense as I say it all the time... best conference in America, I just dont believe rankings should be skewed towards SEC teams based on reputation... if you lose, you drop.  I also haven't seen anything from LSU this year that would tell me that they'd definitely beat ND/WVU or KSU... with that being said, we'll certainly learn more about his team over the next month as they'll play (4) teams currently ranked (South Carolina, Tex A&M, Bama & MSU) including (2) in the current top 4.

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    hey mb,

    how goes it today?

    my opinon,

    re if you lose you drop, i am not in accordance with this even if it happens. you mention we will learn about lsu from coming games. what will we learn about whether lsu can beat nd or kansas state?

    im not saying they def beat nd or ws. im saying id like to see them do so or any of teh top 4 sec teams before being ranked 7th and 6th. when florida and  sout carolina play, do you think the loser should drop below ks and nd? though it liley will happen (if ks an nd win), it's bs. who is the better team (period) not who has more wins. that is why ratings are crap. it favors dramatically teams who play a weaker schedule

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    The bottom line is, that LSU hasn't done anything to tell me, you or any of the voters that they deserve to remain ranked higher than ND, WVU or KSU at this point (any of these 3 lose this weekend and they too will drop, as they should)... they're biggest win is against a mediocre Washington team that just got steamed-rolled by Oregon and barely got by a bad Auburn team, the rest of their schedule has been weak to this point... with wins over North Texas, Towson and Idaho.  They win out and they'll certainly move back up.

     
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    South Carolina vs LSU, ND vs Stanford, Texas vs Oklahoma and all on at diffrent times!

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    mb, curious why you want sc to win, and texas for that matter as well 

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    Ha, not saying I want SC to win (personally I could are less), I just think they're a better football team than LSU... same goes for Texas over Oklahoma.

     
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    Agree, I'd like to see more saturday morning games next year as well. I'm picking SC, ND and OK

     
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    oaklahoma/texas is negligible- but i dont like texas , i like stanford, and s. carolina ( re lsu / carolina, really hoping that the team that wins will be the one that will be teh best at teh end of the year).

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    I like SC but I'm not the biggest fan of LSU but if they win they definately deserve to move back up to around where they were

     
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    by the way, see the rankings today?

    ohio state, kansas state, nd are all better than lsu? try playing them.

    in fact wv mgiht have a problem.

    i think they underrank how good florida is/was.

    on the other hand, south car. and florida play one another and regardles who wins are probably still both one of teh best 4 teams in teh country.

     

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    You can't have a (1) loss team ahead of (3) undefeated teams.

    LSU has the same issues as ND... a BCS Championship level defense with an unproven/inconsistent offense.  ND in particular is 2nd in the nation in scoring defense (behind only Alabama) and hasn't given up a TD in any of the last (3) games vs. Michigan St/Michigan/Miami, the first two were ranked at the time and Miami just came off of a ACC record passing performance vs. NC St the week before... granted there was some luck involved in the Miami game as one of their WR's dropp two potential TD catches in their first drive... but did little after.

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    "You can't have a (1) loss team ahead of (3) undefeated teams"

    absoluitley disagree with this. you are ranking the best team. # of losses is not the point.

    i see nd has improved

    like to see them play lsu first or s carolina, florida, etc before putting them ahead of lsu.

    peace bro

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    And ND is one of the best teams, as have been KSU and WVU.  All three have flaws as does LSU, but you can't just keep them ahead of teams based solely on SEC bias... they lost to a good football and should drop as a result. 

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    what you are claling sec bias (yes i am a sec and florida teams fan) i call seeing who would be better (no different than an nfl power rnaking) if they played against each other. i do it in the nfl without bias as well. and if i was an oregon fan i would sayt the same thing. 

    nothing wrong if we differ. can we agree on that?

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    There is a national SEC bias in general, I'm guilty in a sense as I say it all the time... best conference in America, I just dont believe rankings should be skewed towards SEC teams based on reputation... if you lose, you drop.  I also haven't seen anything from LSU this year that would tell me that they'd definitely beat ND/WVU or KSU... with that being said, we'll certainly learn more about his team over the next month as they'll play (4) teams currently ranked (South Carolina, Tex A&M, Bama & MSU) including (2) in the current top 4.

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    hey mb,

    how goes it today?

    my opinon,

    re if you lose you drop, i am not in accordance with this even if it happens. you mention we will learn about lsu from coming games. what will we learn about whether lsu can beat nd or kansas state?

    im not saying they def beat nd or ws. im saying id like to see them do so or any of teh top 4 sec teams before being ranked 7th and 6th. when florida and  sout carolina play, do you think the loser should drop below ks and nd? though it liley will happen (if ks an nd win), it's bs. who is the better team (period) not who has more wins. that is why ratings are crap. it favors dramatically teams who play a weaker schedule

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    The bottom line is, that LSU hasn't done anything to tell me, you or any of the voters that they deserve to remain ranked higher than ND, WVU or KSU at this point (any of these 3 lose this weekend and they too will drop, as they should)... they're biggest win is against a mediocre Washington team that just got steamed-rolled by Oregon and barely got by a bad Auburn team, the rest of their schedule has been weak to this point... with wins over North Texas, Towson and Idaho.  They win out and they'll certainly move back up.

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    agree with this. id still like to see nd play lsu, florida, s. car. or alabama, or even georgia; becuase of teams choosing their own schedule and stupid bowl tradition, we never have a chance to see that.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    It stinks but it can be tricked into working.

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    Do I have to sacrifice a virgin too?


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    Lol! I still can't figure it out even after reading the instructions

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    I have a computer engineering degree and I still can't get it to work. Seriously I have written better more complex software at 3am after a night of get hammered with drunk people passed out all around me and a random girl who kept asking to get red robin every saying she'd take her shirt off if I could make her waffles before passing out for 5mins watching up and repeating for 3 hours

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    ohmyg-d on both the engineering fail you are describing bdc as and the drunk people around you (take my shirt off if you make waffles, whaaaa)...................................................................................................

    how did you end up with drunk folks laid out all around you?

     
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    South Carolina vs LSU, ND vs Stanford, Texas vs Oklahoma and all on at diffrent times!

    Who are all you guys picking?

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    SC

    ND

    TX

    Nice to see them splitting up the good matchups a bit!

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    mb, curious why you want sc to win, and texas for that matter as well 

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    Ha, not saying I want SC to win (personally I could are less), I just think they're a better football team than LSU... same goes for Texas over Oklahoma.

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    oh, who you see winning. i always discuss who i want to win. i watch football with my heart.

    :)

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    Watchlist Updated 10/14!

     
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    Delete the junk, then sandwich the QUOTEs around the post you're replying to, put your cursor in front of the second /QUOTE, hit shift+enter, type your reply.

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    Lol! I still can't figure it out even after reading the instructions

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    I have a computer engineering degree and I still can't get it to work. Seriously I have written better more complex software at 3am after a night of get hammered with drunk people passed out all around me and a random girl who kept asking to get red robin every saying she'd take her shirt off if I could make her waffles before passing out for 5mins watching up and repeating for 3 hours

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    Lol! Good times! Good times!

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    Anyone have thoughts on LSU's DL? I think they play well together and compliment each other but no one really stands out to me. They did a good job holding Lattimore to only 35 yards last night.

    Lonergan continues to impress me. I can't wait to see him matchup against Jessie Williams in 2 weeks

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    Whew!! I thought this thread got deleted. I finally found it on page 4.

    I've been checking out some mock drafts and some have Mingo and Montgomery going top 10. They're both good but top 10? I don't see it. Obviously its early and all but I would have no problem if 2 teams took them in the top 10 as long as the Pats aren't one of them haha

     
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    Whew!! I thought this thread got deleted. I finally found it on page 4.

    I've been checking out some mock drafts and some have Mingo and Montgomery going top 10. They're both good but top 10? I don't see it. Obviously its early and all but I would have no problem if 2 teams took them in the top 10 as long as the Pats aren't one of them haha

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    Ha, should prob find a permanent home on page 1 as the season progresses... but it likely gave way to the dozens of redundant whine threads about a Patriots loss.

    That's the premium teams pay for edge rush ability, both are good sized athletic kids that can really get after the QB... I"ve seen Mingo in particular rated as the top player on a couple boards.

     

     

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