***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Rd 3 anyone?  Tab 144 has the full Rd 1 mock for your reference while Tab 148 has the full Rd 2 mock.

    1.    Kansas City- WR Stedman Bailey- MB (Think I just threw up)

    2.    Jacksonville - DE Alex Okafor -jjd

    3.    Detroit

    4.    Oakland

    5.    Philadelphia

    6.    Cleveland

    7.    Arizona

    8.    Tennessee

    9.    Buffalo

    10.  New York Jets

    11.  Tampa Bay

    12.  San Francisco - from Carolina

    13.  New Orleans

    14.  San Diego

    15.  Miami

    16.  St. Louis

    17.  Pittsburgh

    18.  Dallas

    19.  New York Giants

    20.  Miami - from Chicago

    21.  Minnesota

    22.  Cincinnati

    23.  Washington

    24.  Indianapolis

    25.  Seattle

    26.  Green Bay

    27.  Houston

    28.  Denver

    29.  New England

    30.  Atlanta

    31.  San Francisco

    32.  Baltimore

    33.  Houston (compensatory)

    34.  Kansas City (compensatory)

    35.  Tennessee (compensatory)

     




     
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    I think I refined my preferences for top 5 wants for each pick. The list I currently have is in order of desire:

    Round 1 "fight':

    1. J. Hankins DT/NT
    2. J. Jenkins DT/NT
    3. J. Williams DT/NT 
    4. M. Hunt DE/DT
    5. S. Williams DT/NT

    Round 2:

    1. D. Rogers WR
    2. D. Slay CB
    3. W. Davis CB
    4. S. Bailey WR 
    5. M. Wheaton WR

    Round 3

    1. D.J. Hayden CB
    2. M. Wilson WR
    3. L. McFadden CB
    4. B.W. Webb CB
    5. R. Alford CB
    6. K. Geathers DT (I know he makes 6 but couldn't help but to add him)

    I'd be happy with any combo of the above

     

     
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    1.    Kansas City- WR Stedman Bailey- MB (Think I just threw up)

    2.    Jacksonville - DE Alex Okafor -jjd

    3.    Detroit - CB Jamar Taylor - SeattlePat

    4.    Oakland

    5.    Philadelphia

    6.    Cleveland

    7.    Arizona

    8.    Tennessee

    9.    Buffalo

    10.  New York Jets

    11.  Tampa Bay

    12.  San Francisco - from Carolina

    13.  New Orleans

    14.  San Diego

    15.  Miami

    16.  St. Louis

    17.  Pittsburgh

    18.  Dallas

    19.  New York Giants

    20.  Miami - from Chicago

    21.  Minnesota

    22.  Cincinnati

    23.  Washington

    24.  Indianapolis

    25.  Seattle

    26.  Green Bay

    27.  Houston

    28.  Denver

    29.  New England

    30.  Atlanta

    31.  San Francisco

    32.  Baltimore

    33.  Houston (compensatory)

    34.  Kansas City (compensatory)

    35.  Tennessee (compensatory)

     

     
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    1.    Kansas City- WR Stedman Bailey- MB (Think I just threw up)

    2.    Jacksonville - DE Alex Okafor -jjd

    3.    Detroit - CB Jamar Taylor - SeattlePat

    4.    Oakland- CB Logan Ryan- MB

    5.    Philadelphia

    6.    Cleveland

    7.    Arizona

    8.    Tennessee

    9.    Buffalo

    10.  New York Jets

    11.  Tampa Bay

    12.  San Francisco - from Carolina

    13.  New Orleans

    14.  San Diego

    15.  Miami

    16.  St. Louis

    17.  Pittsburgh

    18.  Dallas

    19.  New York Giants

    20.  Miami - from Chicago

    21.  Minnesota

    22.  Cincinnati

    23.  Washington

    24.  Indianapolis

    25.  Seattle

    26.  Green Bay

    27.  Houston

    28.  Denver

    29.  New England

    30.  Atlanta

    31.  San Francisco

    32.  Baltimore

    33.  Houston (compensatory)

    34.  Kansas City (compensatory)

    35.  Tennessee (compensatory)

     



     

     
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    Hey MB... I was thinking interior DL for OAK. They lost their top 3 interior DLmen - Kelly, Bryan and Seymour - assuming other team pick them all up. Even if these guys come back, they're old. OAK has a lot of big needs, but DT may be top if they pick Geno in the first round. 

     
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    Hey MB... I was thinking interior DL for OAK. They lost their top 3 interior DLmen - Kelly, Bryan and Seymour - assuming other team pick them all up. Even if these guys come back, they're old. OAK has a lot of big needs, but DT may be top if they pick Geno in the first round. 

     




    Hey SP, I was too, just didn't see one worth drafting at that spot... maybe Kwame Geathers, but I think Logan Ryan is a much better value/player at this point.  They also signed Vance Walker at Pat Sims in Fa.

     
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    Hey MB... I was thinking interior DL for OAK. They lost their top 3 interior DLmen - Kelly, Bryan and Seymour - assuming other team pick them all up. Even if these guys come back, they're old. OAK has a lot of big needs, but DT may be top if they pick Geno in the first round. 

     




    Hey SP, I was too, just didn't see one worth drafting at that spot... maybe Kwame Geathers, but I think Logan Ryan is a much better value/player at this point.  They also signed Vance Walker at Pat Sims in Fa.



    Got it.

     
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    I guess the Bailey/Rogers debate comes down to personal preference. 

    Bailey - Seems like a Branch in the 01-05' years whch makes me see why you guys like im so much

    Rogers - To me seems like an Ocho in his prime but smarter and shouldn't have issues picking up this O. Actually Rogers would be slightly bigger, quicker, and a better blocker then Ocho, something we've never had with Brady which gets me excited over the prospect of seeing Bray with an actualy Z Flanker that can work all three parts of the field

     



    Def agree that it's a preference thing, like I said, I like Rogers, but it's gonna be a tough conversation 10-15 years from now when I have to explain to my sons Randall and Stedman that their namesakes never played for New England.

     

     



    I hear you and from my thinking I don't want to tell my future son that the back end of Brady's career was defined by small WRs who were exciting to watch but when push came to shove in the post season not a single one could get off the line. I just want for once a WR how can fight back in the playoffs and beat CBs up and give Brady something to throw to instead of our smaller WRs being manhandled at the line and Brady ducking for his life because our WRs can't get more then 5yrds down field

     

     

     



    my sentiments exactly

     

     
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    1.    Kansas City- WR Stedman Bailey- MB (Think I just threw up)

    2.    Jacksonville - DE Alex Okafor -jjd

    3.    Detroit - CB Jamar Taylor - SeattlePat

    4.    Oakland- CB Logan Ryan- MB

    5.    Philadelphia- LB Kiko Alonso- HC

    6.    Cleveland

    7.    Arizona

    8.    Tennessee

    9.    Buffalo

    10.  New York Jets

    11.  Tampa Bay

    12.  San Francisco - from Carolina

    13.  New Orleans

    14.  San Diego

    15.  Miami

    16.  St. Louis

    17.  Pittsburgh

    18.  Dallas

    19.  New York Giants

    20.  Miami - from Chicago

    21.  Minnesota

    22.  Cincinnati

    23.  Washington

    24.  Indianapolis

    25.  Seattle

    26.  Green Bay

    27.  Houston

    28.  Denver

    29.  New England

    30.  Atlanta

    31.  San Francisco

    32.  Baltimore

    33.  Houston (compensatory)

    34.  Kansas City (compensatory)

    35.  Tennessee (compensatory)

     



     




     
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    1.    Kansas City- WR Stedman Bailey- MB (Think I just threw up)

    2.    Jacksonville - DE Alex Okafor -jjd

    3.    Detroit - CB Jamar Taylor - SeattlePat

    4.    Oakland- CB Logan Ryan- MB

    5.    Philadelphia- LB Kiko Alonso- HC

    6.    Cleveland

    7.    Arizona

    8.    Tennessee

    9.    Buffalo

    10.  New York Jets

    11.  Tampa Bay

    12.  San Francisco - from Carolina

    13.  New Orleans

    14.  San Diego

    15.  Miami

    16.  St. Louis

    17.  Pittsburgh

    18.  Dallas

    19.  New York Giants

    20.  Miami - from Chicago

    21.  Minnesota

    22.  Cincinnati

    23.  Washington

    24.  Indianapolis

    25.  Seattle

    26.  Green Bay

    27.  Houston

    28.  Denver

    29.  New England

    30.  Atlanta

    31.  San Francisco

    32.  Baltimore

    33.  Houston (compensatory)

    34.  Kansas City (compensatory)

    35.  Tennessee (compensatory)

     



     

     




     



    That would be a nice pick up for PHI

     
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    I like Rogers in Rd 2 or 3, but if they pass on Stedman Bailey with this pick (assuming they don't touch a WR in Rd 1) I'm gonna have to call the local TV repair man to pull my buddy, his beer and anything else within reach, out of my Samsung plasma.

     



    Hahaha You shouldn't throw anyones beer though man, thats just not cool. I don't think your buddy would be too happy when he gets pulled out of the plasma to find out you threw his beer as well

     

     



    Haha, good point... I'll tell him to bring a few cans of soda then, but not tell him why... make sure he's drinking one when NE is on the clock.

     

     

    OK MB I just took my first look at the potential WR draft choices and I only see three I like even a little bit. Patterson,Wheaton and Swope. I wouldn't mind if they took a flyer on Mellette from Elon as he dominated at the lower level kind of like a guy we almost drafted way back in the day named Rice. As for the other guys Swope could come in and be a nice slot receiver,Patterson has all the tangibles  but will he be able to block?That leads us to Wheaton the strongest of the top three guys as he all the talent though he doesn't have the big WR size at 5'11,but he does run well and he is strong for a little fella 22 reps @225.I don't have a clue whether the Patriots are looking at any or all of these guys. There will still be plenty of FA's on the sign me block!!!Who knows which way BB goes but if I'm him I don't waste a first on any of these guys. Draft a DT/DE and then chase down a CB or reverse the process.


     

     
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    Keith Morehouse @KeithMorehouse

     

     

    Marshall's Aaron Dobson posts a 4.4 forty time in his pro day at Marshall

     

    He followed that up with a 4.2, which is going to turn some heads. Not many 6'3 guys can fly that fast. He also jumped 10'1 in the broad jump, had a vertical jump of 35 inches, and benched 16 reps.

     



    nice. one of my backups to my hopkins/rogers/ top pass rusher dream

     

     



    Not to fond of Dodson personally. Tiny hands for a big man leads him to catch it with his body. Not very fluid hips and lacks good burst in CoD. The one thing that really stands out to me is that he doesn't like to take a hit and drops or goes out of bounds if he feels one coming.

     

     



    he has maybe the largest catch radius of any receiver in the draft. if he does have small hands (idk) it certainly doesn't effect his ability to catch the ball with away from his body. he is known for making spectacular one handed catches.. idk where you got that catch with his body info from but it's incorrect.

     



    just vids I saw. I watched a couple nice one hander but in general he caught with his body

     
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    ok, aaron dobson officialy does NOT have small hands. they aren't big, but they are right on par with other receivers his size.. 9 inches. 



    I saw somewhere they are 8.5" which are pretty small for someone his size and well below average.

     
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    Low, thanks for the stats. Bailey reminds me of Steve Smith of Carolina.

     

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    MB & Wazz....I just watched some clips of Baily. The kid is impressive in all aspects of the game except raw straight line speed.

    Is Swope at all comparable to Bailey?

     

     



    Swope in 51 games played had 24 TD's, 3117 yards and a 12yd avg.

    Bailey in 39 games played had 41 TD's, 3218 yards and a 15yd avg.

    Rogers in 35 games played had 21 TD's, 2100 yards and a 15yd avg. 

     

    ...and as far as speed are you speaking timed speed or playing speed?




     
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    MB, would you consider Justin Hunter in the 2nd round? Seems to have the look of an AJ Green.

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    MB & Wazz....I just watched some clips of Baily. The kid is impressive in all aspects of the game except raw straight line speed.

    Is Swope at all comparable to Bailey?

     

     




     

    I think the big difference is, Bailey does most of his damage on the outside where Swope operates mainly out of the slot.




     
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    ok, aaron dobson officialy does NOT have small hands. they aren't big, but they are right on par with other receivers his size.. 9 inches. 

     



    I saw somewhere they are 8.5" which are pretty small for someone his size and well below average.

     

     



    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/aaron-dobson?id=2539256

     



    Then I stand corrected. I just saw on a couple different places he had 8.5" hands

     
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    wow MB what are you seeing in stedman now that you didn't see weeks/months ago? you're all over him all of a sudden lol

     




    Took a deeper dive into his tape and am really impressed with what I see... kid is always seperating/open, displays excellent ball skills, catches it with his hands away from his body and gets up the field quick and just makes plays on a consistent basis against a high level of competition over the last two years... he also gives solid effort as a blocker... I just don't see a glaring weakness to his game unless you wanna bring up his 4.5+ 40 time, though he plays fast.

     

     



    i hear ya. i've always liked him. i just never heard you say much about him until recently.

     

    i don't think the cold medicine incident is something to worry about, but it is a bit strange.. i wonder if he was sick and broke, or if he has some kind of strange drug addiction. 



    Yeah man... had him on my board for a while as more of a late Day 2 type for a while, but after taking a closer look, he started rising and I think this kid has legit Rd 1 talent/skills... not saying that he'll get drafted there, but that's where I'd rate him.

     
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    I like Rogers in Rd 2 or 3, but if they pass on Stedman Bailey with this pick (assuming they don't touch a WR in Rd 1) I'm gonna have to call the local TV repair man to pull my buddy, his beer and anything else within reach, out of my Samsung plasma.

     



    Hahaha You shouldn't throw anyones beer though man, thats just not cool. I don't think your buddy would be too happy when he gets pulled out of the plasma to find out you threw his beer as well

     

     



    Haha, good point... I'll tell him to bring a few cans of soda then, but not tell him why... make sure he's drinking one when NE is on the clock.

     

     

    OK MB I just took my first look at the potential WR draft choices and I only see three I like even a little bit. Patterson,Wheaton and Swope. I wouldn't mind if they took a flyer on Mellette from Elon as he dominated at the lower level kind of like a guy we almost drafted way back in the day named Rice. As for the other guys Swope could come in and be a nice slot receiver,Patterson has all the tangibles  but will he be able to block?That leads us to Wheaton the strongest of the top three guys as he all the talent though he doesn't have the big WR size at 5'11,but he does run well and he is strong for a little fella 22 reps @225.I don't have a clue whether the Patriots are looking at any or all of these guys. There will still be plenty of FA's on the sign me block!!!Who knows which way BB goes but if I'm him I don't waste a first on any of these guys. Draft a DT/DE and then chase down a CB or reverse the process.


     



    Curious on the list of WR's that you reviewed?

    Swope is also a very good blocker... I like Wheaton's skill set a lot... very good combo of speed/quicks... like both as Day 2 options.

     
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    MB, would you consider Justin Hunter in the 2nd round? Seems to have the look of an AJ Green.

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    MB & Wazz....I just watched some clips of Baily. The kid is impressive in all aspects of the game except raw straight line speed.

    Is Swope at all comparable to Bailey?

     

     




     

    I think the big difference is, Bailey does most of his damage on the outside where Swope operates mainly out of the slot.

     




     

     



    There are other WR's that I prefer in Rd 2, but I don't think he's out of the discussion.

     

    Long, athletic kid with good body control and the ability to elevate... though the big question seems to be how he performs vs. physical CB's... might be more of a finesse type... inconsistent hands is another weakness that's brought up... but he does have upside. 

     
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    1.    Kansas City- WR Stedman Bailey- MB (Think I just threw up)

    2.    Jacksonville - DE Alex Okafor -jjd

    3.    Detroit - CB Jamar Taylor - SeattlePat

    4.    Oakland- CB Logan Ryan- MB

    5.    Philadelphia- LB Kiko Alonso- HC

    6.    Cleveland- WR Justin Hunter- MB (not a huge Hunter guy, but presents good value here, would look good opposite Josh Gordon.)

    7.    Arizona

    8.    Tennessee

    9.    Buffalo

    10.  New York Jets

    11.  Tampa Bay

    12.  San Francisco - from Carolina

    13.  New Orleans

    14.  San Diego

    15.  Miami

    16.  St. Louis

    17.  Pittsburgh

    18.  Dallas

    19.  New York Giants

    20.  Miami - from Chicago

    21.  Minnesota

    22.  Cincinnati

    23.  Washington

    24.  Indianapolis

    25.  Seattle

    26.  Green Bay

    27.  Houston

    28.  Denver

    29.  New England

    30.  Atlanta

    31.  San Francisco

    32.  Baltimore

    33.  Houston (compensatory)

    34.  Kansas City (compensatory)

    35.  Tennessee (compensatory)

     



     

     




     

     



    That would be a nice pick up for PHI

     




     

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