***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    Early mock from SI.com.  NE at pick #28.  I like the pick, but not sure he will be there.  I would say DT, TE, S, CB, OL, LB might be the needs. Interesting how many QBs go in RD 1.  A good player will be pushed down.   NFL Draft, NFL draft 2014

     

    By Chris Burke

     

    Teddy Bridgewater headlines a talented class of quarterback prospects.

    Teddy Bridgewater headlines a talented class of quarterback prospects. (David E. Klutho/SI)

     

    Mock drafts are an inexact science even 24 hours before the actual event occurs. At eight months out, there is an unlimited amount of guesswork.

     

    An important point here: The draft order was cobbled together from a combination of where teams currently stand and a projection of where they might be at the end of the year. The goal is less to pinpoint exactly which players each team will wind up with, and more to look at what each franchise needs and where potential draftees fall in the current landscape.

     

    As you’ll notice, there are five quarterbacks “selected” in the top 10 and four in the first five picks. Given what we saw in 2013, when every QB not named EJ Manuel plummeted further than most expected, that’s a stark reversal.

     

    It may be an unrealistic one, too, because at least a couple of the teams slotted to take QBs in Mock 2.0 — Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Philadelphia — could stick to their current guns or wait until the later rounds. There is so much talent at quarterback, though, that a repeat of 2013′s very delayed run on the position is highly unlikely.

     

    With that, away we go on Mock Draft 2.0

     

    1. Jacksonville Jaguars: Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

     

    If the Jaguars wind up in this slot — and there’s certainly no reason to think otherwise through three weeks — then they’ll have two choices. The first is the most obvious: Take Bridgewater, thus far the clear top quarterback in the class, and build around him. The second? Go with Jadeveon Clowney (yes, he’s still a viable No. 1 pick) and take advantage of a deep QB class in Round 2.

     

    2. Oakland Raiders: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

     

    Terrelle Pryor has given the Raiders a little bit of life at quarterback. The jury is still out on whether or not he can be a consistent, full-time starter in this league. But for the moment, Oakland has to like what it is seeing. That means the Raiders can focus more attention on a defense that clearly needs a talent infusion. Clowney up front and D.J. Hayden in the secondary would be a decent starting point.

     

    3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon

     

    Had a tough time with this pick, mainly because it seems like the Buccaneers are far higher than most on Mike Glennon. Obviously, if they deem him their QB of the future, this pick heads elsewhere — likely on one of the top offensive tackles or wide receivers. Barring that, this team still needs a quarterback.

     

    4. Cleveland Browns: Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA

     

    The Trent Richardson trade obviously makes the Browns an extremely intriguing team to watch approaching the 2014 draft. Assuming Bridgewater lands No. 1, Cleveland needs to pick its guy at QB and go for broke to get him. Will that be Mariota? Hundley? Johnny Manziel?

     

    5. Minnesota VikingsTajh Boyd, QB, Clemson

     

    The Christian Ponder experiment is on its last days — the home fans chanting for Matt Cassel in a Week 3 loss to Cleveland might have been the final blow. So either here or in Round 2, the Vikings have to roll the dice on a quarterback. Given how quickly that position may come off the board, waiting would be a massive gamble.

     

    6. St. Louis Rams (from Washington): Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

     

    Rodger Saffold is a pending free agent and, more to the point, he has been unable to stay healthy over the past three seasons. Matthews could drop right in at right tackle for a couple years, then slide over to left tackle when Jake Long’s St. Louis days are up.

     

    7. Pittsburgh Steelers: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

     

    Anyone who’s watched the Steelers this season (or for the past couple seasons) knows that their offensive line is in shambles. Since neither 2012 second-rounder Mike Adams nor 2011 second-rounder Marcus Gilbert really has settled in, maybe Lewan could. Bonus: He’s blocked for Denard Robinson and Devin Gardner, so adjusting to Ben Roethlisberger’s movement in the pocket would be old hat.

     

    8. Arizona Cardinals: Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

     

    The Cardinals have no chance to really take any substantial steps forward until they fix their offensive line. Kouandjio finally could kickstart that renovation, as a blindside protector for Carson Palmer and a force in the run game.

     

    9. Carolina Panthers: Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

     

    The NFC South is no place to have so many lingering question marks in the secondary. Roby remains the top cornerback prospect in the 2014 class (though Jason Verrett’s right there), so this is a natural one for the Panthers.

     

    Johnny Football in Chip Kelly's offense? Watch out.

    Johnny Football in Chip Kelly’s offense? Watch out. (John W. McDonough/SI)

     

    10. Philadelphia Eagles: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

     

    Mariota is the rather obvious match here — he played for Chip Kelly at Oregon and is thriving in the offense Kelly left behind. The MMQB’s Greg Bedard reminded us, though, that Kelly recruited Manziel partially because Johnny Football played in a high school offense similar to Kelly’s attack. This one would be a lot of fun if it happened.

     

    11. New York Giants: C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

     

    The Giants have tried to find a middle linebacker for several years now, from signing Chase Blackburn off the street to putting Mark Herzlich in over his head. Mosley is a phenomenal talent — Alabama had him spy Johnny Manziel — and he could be a 100-tackle guy from the outset.

     

    12. San Diego Chargers: Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

     

    The Chargers have some nice pieces cobbled together at wide receiver, but not a ton of top-flight talent. Watkins would be just the type of player coach Mike McCoy needs to really open up his playbook.

     

    13. Buffalo Bills: Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA

     

    Mario Williams remains an imposing pass-rusher at defensive end, but the Bills are still trying to find him a little help. Barr very well may come off the board in the top 10 — maybe even top five — come May. The early QB run pushes him down here, and the Bills reap the benefits by nabbing the still-developing former running back.

     

    14. New York Jets: Marqise Lee, WR, USC

     

    The Jets appear to have their new franchise quarterback in Geno Smith. Now it’s time to give him a few toys. Pairing Lee with Stephen Hill and veteran Santonio Holmes would open up a lot of possibilities for Smith in Year 2.

     

    15. St. Louis Rams: Dominique Easley, DT, Florida

     

    Truth be told, I had Clemson QB Tajh Boyd penciled in here initially. It’s still hard to justify the Rams simply throwing in the towel on Sam Bradford, though. The D-line, meanwhile, could use another body to rotate with Kendall Langford and Michael Brockers. Easley can be a dominant force.

     

    16. Tennessee Titans: Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee

     

    The Titans upgraded the interior of their line prior to 2013, so it only makes sense to beef up on the edges before 2014. The current starting tackles, Michael Roos and David Stewart, are 30 and 31 years old, respectively. Both have voidable years on their contracts upcoming, too.

     

    Ryan Shazier leads the Buckeyes with 28 tackles through four games.

    Ryan Shazier leads the Buckeyes with 28 tackles through four games. (Jay LaPrete/AP)

     

    17. Cleveland Browns (from Indianapolis): Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

     

    As trade rumors swirl around current Cleveland receivers Josh Gordon and Greg Little, the possibility of landing both a top-flight QB and an elite WR should have Browns fans feeling giddy. Don’t be surprised if Evans winds up being the most productive 2014 wide receiver.

     

    18. Detroit Lions: Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State

     

    The Lions have received pretty steady contributions from DeAndre Levy and Stephen Tulloch so far this year. Shazier could fill the remaining void as a steady, reliable, athletic tackler behind Detroit’s stalwart defensive line.

     

    19. Green Bay Packers: Ha’Sean Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

     

    The Packers locked in Morgan Burnett at safety for the next few years. The situation alongside him is far less settled. Clinton-Dix could put an end to all the headaches. He had 37 tackles, five interceptions and nine pass break-ups last season and seems to be an even more well-rounded player in 2013.

     

    20. Baltimore Ravens: Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington

     

    The Ravens are learning each and every week how much the loss of Dennis Pitta hurts their offense. Ed Dickson has not been much help in the passing attack, and Dallas Clark is clearly on his last legs. Put Seferian-Jenkins on the field with Pitta in 2014, and the Ravens will have their own version of the Gronkowski-Hernandez duo.

     

    21. San Francisco 49ers: Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon

     

    The 49ers spent the preseason trying to piece together their cornerback depth chart — they signed Nnamdi Asomugha this offseason, then twice added Eric Wright. They could use an influx of young talent there, and the physical Ekpre-Olomu has shown himself to be a playmaker in Oregon’s secondary.

     

    22. Atlanta Falcons: Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo

     

    Mack’s stock shot through the roof with a strong season-opening performance against Ohio State (nine tackles, 2.5 sacks and an interception return for a touchdown). Though undrafted rookie Joplo Bartu has been a pleasant surprise for the Falcons thus far, they could use a disruptive force outside.

     

    23. Kansas City Chiefs: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

     

    The way this mock has fallen, there are still a number of talented WRs out there: Paul Richardson, Allen Robinson, Donte Moncrief and Brandon Coleman, to name a few. The 6-foot-3 Matthews might be the best of the bunch, with his ability to play all over the field and clear knack for finding soft spots in coverage.

     

    24. Miami Dolphins: Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame

     

    Nix would be an absolute steal down here — the safe money is on the hulking Notre Dame interior lineman being a top-15 pick when all is said and done. The Dolphins need to start planning for the future up front, with a frustrated Randy Starks playing on a franchise tag and Paul Soliai set to hit free agency.

     

    25. Dallas Cowboys: Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State

     

    Defensive tackle run! It’s been a tough start to the 2013 season for Sutton, who added more than 10 pounds in the offseason. He still has the talent to be a first-round pick, though, and the Cowboys could use some more interior bodies for their new 4-3. Current starter Jason Hatcher’s contract is up at the end of 2013.

     

    26. Cincinnati Bengals: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

     

    A bit of a luxury pick for the deep Bengals, the talented Verrett could give them arguably the league’s best group of corners — Leon Hall, 2012 first-rounder Dre Kirkpatrick, Terence Newman and Adam Jones are there already. Newman, 35 and with one year left on his deal, will require a replacement soon.

     

    UNC's Eric Ebron described his speed as 'illegal.'

    UNC’s Eric Ebron described his speed as ‘illegal.’ (Andy Mead/YCJ/Icon SMI)

     

    27. Chicago Bears: Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

     

    “It looks illegal. It looks like it shouldn’t be on the field, but it is.” That’s how the 6-4, 254-pound Ebron described his speed to the News and Observer. The junior has 13 catches for 200 yards so far in 2013, and his ability to challenge defenses over the middle would make for a deadly combo alongside Martellus Bennett.

     

    28. New England Patriots: Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

     

    The Patriots utilize both 3-4 and 4-3 fronts (as a lot of teams do these days). Tuitt has been a dominant force at end in the Irish’s 3-4 look, but he appears to have the mix-and-match versatility that would work well with a shifting front. Vince Wilfork, 32 and with one year left on his contract, is not going to be around forever.

     

    29. Houston Texans: Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin

     

    Hard to ignore the momentum Gordon has generated over the first four weeks of the season, in rushing for 624 yards and seven TDs with an 11.8 yards-per-carry average. With Ben Tate likely to leave next offseason for a No. 1 gig elsewhere, the Texans will be in the market for another Arian Foster sidekick.

     

    30. New Orleans Saints: Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU

     

    The Saints have learned the rather painful lesson that you never can have enough linebacker depth, especially in a 3-4 formation. Van Noy probably needs to fill out to really thrive on the outside as a 3-4 guy, but his knack for finding the ballcarrier in the backfield would play well in Rob Ryan’s aggressive defense.

     

    31. Seattle Seahawks: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon

     

    The Seahawks used a 2013 fifth-round pick on TE Luke Willson. Lyerla’s way, way better. There is very little the Ducks’ star cannot do on offense, and coming from that Oregon system would put him ahead of the curve in Seattle’s attack.

     

    32. Denver Broncos: Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama

    Another member of the loaded Alabama defense, Hubbard could help take some heat off Von Miller at linebacker, or he could bulk up to 265 or so and give Denver a little help as a pass-rushing end

     
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    Early mock from SI.com.  NE at pick #28.  I like the pick, but not sure he will be there.  I would say DT, TE, S, CB, OL, LB might be the needs. Interesting how many QBs go in RD 1.  A good player will be pushed down.   NFL Draft, NFL draft 2014

     

    By Chris Burke

     

     

    Teddy Bridgewater headlines a talented class of quarterback prospects. (David E. Klutho/SI)

     

    Mock drafts are an inexact science even 24 hours before the actual event occurs. At eight months out, there is an unlimited amount of guesswork.

     

    An important point here: The draft order was cobbled together from a combination of where teams currently stand and a projection of where they might be at the end of the year. The goal is less to pinpoint exactly which players each team will wind up with, and more to look at what each franchise needs and where potential draftees fall in the current landscape.

     

    As you’ll notice, there are five quarterbacks “selected” in the top 10 and four in the first five picks. Given what we saw in 2013, when every QB not named EJ Manuel plummeted further than most expected, that’s a stark reversal.

     

    It may be an unrealistic one, too, because at least a couple of the teams slotted to take QBs in Mock 2.0 — Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Philadelphia — could stick to their current guns or wait until the later rounds. There is so much talent at quarterback, though, that a repeat of 2013′s very delayed run on the position is highly unlikely.

     

    With that, away we go on Mock Draft 2.0

     

    1. Jacksonville Jaguars: Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

    2. Oakland Raiders: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

    3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon

     4. Cleveland Browns: Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA

    5. Minnesota VikingsTajh Boyd, QB, Clemson

    6. St. Louis Rams (from Washington): Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

    7. Pittsburgh Steelers: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

    8. Arizona Cardinals: Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

    9. Carolina Panthers: Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

    10. Philadelphia Eagles: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

    11. New York Giants: C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

    12. San Diego Chargers: Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

    13. Buffalo Bills: Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA

    14. New York Jets: Marqise Lee, WR, USC

    15. St. Louis Rams: Dominique Easley, DT, Florida

    16. Tennessee Titans: Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee

    17. Cleveland Browns (from Indianapolis): Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

    18. Detroit Lions: Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State

    19. Green Bay Packers: Ha’Sean Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

    20. Baltimore Ravens: Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington

    21. San Francisco 49ers: Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon

    22. Atlanta Falcons: Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo

    23. Kansas City Chiefs: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt 

    24. Miami Dolphins: Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame

    25. Dallas Cowboys: Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State

    26. Cincinnati Bengals: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

    27. Chicago Bears: Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

    28. New England Patriots: Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

    29. Houston Texans: Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin

    30. New Orleans Saints: Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU

    31. Seattle Seahawks: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon 

    32. Denver Broncos: Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama




    Four QBs in the top 5, 5 in the top 10. And each one probably deserving first round grade. Even more interesting, McCarron is not ven mocked in the first round. Looks to me like an opportunity for the Pats.

    PIcking up Tuitt would have excited me if they were talking about last year's draft. He was a monster last season. So far this year, Tuitt has looked fatter and slower, not stronger.

     

     
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    Early mock from SI.com.  NE at pick #28.  I like the pick, but not sure he will be there.  I would say DT, TE, S, CB, OL, LB might be the needs. Interesting how many QBs go in RD 1.  A good player will be pushed down.   NFL Draft, NFL draft 2014

     

    By Chris Burke

     

     

    Teddy Bridgewater headlines a talented class of quarterback prospects. (David E. Klutho/SI)

     

    Mock drafts are an inexact science even 24 hours before the actual event occurs. At eight months out, there is an unlimited amount of guesswork.

     

    An important point here: The draft order was cobbled together from a combination of where teams currently stand and a projection of where they might be at the end of the year. The goal is less to pinpoint exactly which players each team will wind up with, and more to look at what each franchise needs and where potential draftees fall in the current landscape.

     

    As you’ll notice, there are five quarterbacks “selected” in the top 10 and four in the first five picks. Given what we saw in 2013, when every QB not named EJ Manuel plummeted further than most expected, that’s a stark reversal.

     

    It may be an unrealistic one, too, because at least a couple of the teams slotted to take QBs in Mock 2.0 — Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Philadelphia — could stick to their current guns or wait until the later rounds. There is so much talent at quarterback, though, that a repeat of 2013′s very delayed run on the position is highly unlikely.

     

    With that, away we go on Mock Draft 2.0

     

    1. Jacksonville Jaguars: Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

    2. Oakland Raiders: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

    3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon

     4. Cleveland Browns: Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA

    5. Minnesota VikingsTajh Boyd, QB, Clemson

    6. St. Louis Rams (from Washington): Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

    7. Pittsburgh Steelers: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

    8. Arizona Cardinals: Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

    9. Carolina Panthers: Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

    10. Philadelphia Eagles: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

    11. New York Giants: C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

    12. San Diego Chargers: Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

    13. Buffalo Bills: Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA

    14. New York Jets: Marqise Lee, WR, USC

    15. St. Louis Rams: Dominique Easley, DT, Florida

    16. Tennessee Titans: Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee

    17. Cleveland Browns (from Indianapolis): Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

    18. Detroit Lions: Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State

    19. Green Bay Packers: Ha’Sean Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

    20. Baltimore Ravens: Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington

    21. San Francisco 49ers: Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon

    22. Atlanta Falcons: Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo

    23. Kansas City Chiefs: Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt 

    24. Miami Dolphins: Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame

    25. Dallas Cowboys: Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State

    26. Cincinnati Bengals: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

    27. Chicago Bears: Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

    28. New England Patriots: Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

    29. Houston Texans: Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin

    30. New Orleans Saints: Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU

    31. Seattle Seahawks: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon 

    32. Denver Broncos: Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama

     




     

    Four QBs in the top 5, 5 in the top 10. And each one probably deserving first round grade. Even more interesting, McCarron is not ven mocked in the first round. Looks to me like an opportunity for the Pats.

    PIcking up Tuitt would have excited me if they were talking about last year's draft. He was a monster last season. So far this year, Tuitt has looked fatter and slower, not stronger.

     




    Sure would be great value at the end of Rd 1... personally, I'd love to see him return to school, but that's because I'm an ND guy, ha.

    The knock on McCarron seems to be his arm strength... kid spins a nice deep ball and can fit it into tight places, but probably has only average arm strength... he's also not really a threat to beat you with his feet.

    I'd love to score McCarron at any point in this draft, love his combined skill seet and competitiveness.

     
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    I can't wait for Sunday. But, just looking at this team and seeing the Bronco's last night got me thinking. With our current post 53man cut roster what do we look like: 

    1) I don't think Talib will be back. If Talib has a good-great season we aren't getting him for a deal that will make BB happy. That leaves us with Dennard, Arrington, and Ryan. Even if Ryan turns out to be a good drafting it looks like for how many years in a row? we will be drafting another CB in the first 2 days

    2) Harmon looks like he might eventually develop into a Sanders type of player. He's very heady but I question whether his athletic ability will hinder his ability to be a starter overall. For now I see his ceiling as a super sub like a Gregory or Sanders. As such I have zero faith either Wilson will give much over the next couple years and will be once again looking at SS as a possible pick in the first 2 days.

    3) Even though DE looks fairly strong right now with at least 3 I can see as a core forming longish term and only needing to add good depth DT is still a major concern. 2 UDFA DTs behind two aging vets of which Kelly might be another 1-2 year bandaid (think G. Warren) it's a huge area of concern for me. I thought they should have taken one in a very deep draft this year and didn't so of course in a very weak DT draft this year they will

    4) WR looks nice with the rooks but Edelman is a question mark moving forward and Amendola still has to prove he can last a season, not to mention of the 3 rooks it's hard to picture all 3 developing into productive receivers. The odds are against them. Now I do think Sims has potential but so did Nunn. WR is a position I'd like to keep an eye on

    5) LG is a spot where I'd be looking mid to late rounds to eventually replace Mankins as he gets older. And of course G is always a position to add swing players for depth in the later rounds

    6) TE is an area I'm going to keep an eye on depending on Sudfeld, but I think they love to keep 3-4 TE's on the roster at bare minimum and currently a mid round TE to develop looks like a good option.

    7) Depending on what they are looking to do with Mallett another QB is always on the radar but a UDFA to develop over 3-4 years with Brady seems more likely than one in the first 2 days

    All in all I'm not sure I'd be looking at RB, T, C (unless they are a swing player), LB, or FS but it is BB after all. My focus is squarely on the D this next year as the 6 year? rebuild continues with the DB's and some depth/developing starters on the DL early in the draft


    I swear by lil 10 pound bearded baby Jesus

     



     

    I think they will need any combination of TE, DT, CB, QB in the first four rounds.


    TE: I think they need to dip for a blue chip TE. AH gone. Sudfeld a big question mark. Gronk is an injury risk. Any D in their right mind will target that repaired arm - with their hands/ helmet/ whatever. We should not be surprised if he breaks it again.

    DT: This season seems to be a proof point for how critical it is that the interior DL is a strength. The position is getting old.

    CB: As you mentioned, he may not be here next year. If he is, he will likely not last.

    QB: Still not fully sold on Mallett. I'd rather that they pick another one just as a hedge. I believe there will be some decent ones available in the third, or even fourth.

     



    I'd also toss in S, assuming a big physical type kid is available (i.e. LSU's Craig Loston), as they still don't have on one the roster... but I agree with the other (4) positions that you mentioned.

     
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    Hey Mbeau,

     

    This has Patriots written all over it in the 3rd or 4th round... if he makes it...

     

    Florida confirmed senior DT Dominique Easley will miss the remainder of the season due to a torn meniscus and ACL in his right knee.

    Head coach Will Muschamp got out hopes up after he said Easley only "tweaked" his knee, but other reports stated otherwise. Easley tore the ACL in his left knee in 2011, so at least this isn't a repeat. The senior was the most dominant interior defensive lineman through four weeks of the season and offers great burst and hand use off the snap. He can return under a medical redshirt tag, but we expect Easley to enter May's draft. Our own Josh Norris considers him a top 20 talent, but recognizes he won't be drafted there.  

     

    What do you think?

     
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    This has Patriots written all over it in the 3rd or 4th round... if he makes it...

     

    Florida confirmed senior DT Dominique Easley will miss the remainder of the season due to a torn meniscus and ACL in his right knee.

    Head coach Will Muschamp got out hopes up after he said Easley only "tweaked" his knee, but other reports stated otherwise. Easley tore the ACL in his left knee in 2011, so at least this isn't a repeat. The senior was the most dominant interior defensive lineman through four weeks of the season and offers great burst and hand use off the snap. He can return under a medical redshirt tag, but we expect Easley to enter May's draft. Our own Josh Norris considers him a top 20 talent, but recognizes he won't be drafted there.  

     

    What do you think?




    If I may behind in, the kid is crazy good.

     
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    This has Patriots written all over it in the 3rd or 4th round... if he makes it...

     

    Florida confirmed senior DT Dominique Easley will miss the remainder of the season due to a torn meniscus and ACL in his right knee.

    Head coach Will Muschamp got out hopes up after he said Easley only "tweaked" his knee, but other reports stated otherwise. Easley tore the ACL in his left knee in 2011, so at least this isn't a repeat. The senior was the most dominant interior defensive lineman through four weeks of the season and offers great burst and hand use off the snap. He can return under a medical redshirt tag, but we expect Easley to enter May's draft. Our own Josh Norris considers him a top 20 talent, but recognizes he won't be drafted there.  

     

    What do you think?




    Hey man... it probably all comes down to how they'd be looking to utilize him as at 6-2 280, he's kind of a tweener and certainly undersized to play inside for them on a consistent basis.  Now they may look at him as a move type who could play DE or kick inside on passing downs in an even front or maybe work as a jumbo OLB in odd fronts.

     
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    Hey man... it probably all comes down to how they'd be looking to utilize him as at 6-2 280, he's kind of a tweener and certainly undersized to play inside for them on a consistent basis.  Now they may look at him as a move type who could play DE or kick inside on passing downs in an even front or maybe work as a jumbo OLB in odd fronts.

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    For some reason, I see him and ASU's Will Sutton to be similar players - probably not big enough to be reliable interior linemen in the NFL, but are now playing inside becasue they are the only ones who can play the position for their teams. Unless they go to a team like the 2007 NYG, I see them as better fit at DE.

     
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    Hey man... it probably all comes down to how they'd be looking to utilize him as at 6-2 280, he's kind of a tweener and certainly undersized to play inside for them on a consistent basis.  Now they may look at him as a move type who could play DE or kick inside on passing downs in an even front or maybe work as a jumbo OLB in odd fronts.

     




    For some reason, I see him and ASU's Will Sutton to be similar players - probably not big enough to be reliable interior linemen in the NFL, but are now playing inside becasue they are the only ones who can play the position for their teams. Unless they go to a team like the 2007 NYG, I see them as better fit at DE.

     



    I'd agree... they remind me a bit of Adrian Clayborn, though he played primarily at DE during his days at Iowa.

     
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    Very good game for Wisconsin WR Jared Abbrederis (6-2 190) last night vs. Ohio State... 10-207-1.  What made this performance even more impressive is that he was matched up with potential Top 10 CB Bradley Roby.

    One play in particular stood out.  I believe he had Roby beat deep down the right sideline, the ball was underthrown and he showed very good instincts in coming back to the football, elevated over Roby displaying verticle explosion and body control and came down with the football showing off his very good ball skills.  It looked like they also needed to give Roby some help, particularly down by the goal line at times.  Small sample, but displayed a lot of what he could do at the next level.

    I'm liking this kid at some point on Day 2 if he keeps playing like this, but worst case is a likely Rd 4 kid. 

     
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      Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter

    Barry Sanders Jr. had a run reminiscent of the great No. 20: http://youtu.be/wQsykbQXVRA  

     
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    What a good Saturday with some very good games. I spent the entire day catching up on draft info. Here is some interesting things that Ive come away with. 

    Will Sutton needs to recognized on this board. This kid is a absolute beast in the middle. It pretty clear to me that if this defense wants to keep going in the right directing they need to keep creating pass rush to get after the qb. He may be a little under sized but he packs a punch. He heads up a guard and and he can straight dominate them, he also has the ablity to move to 3-4 DE which is a reason that he would be a great fit for the Pats. Check out any game he has played this year or last and he clearly stands out, always makes a key play in a game. He is also one bad mother f*cker, thats what this defense needs. 

    Domineque Easley will be the best second or third rounder taken. I have watched him every game before he tore his ACL and he was the best DL, in college football. Better production than Clowney. Would be a grea fit for NE because the ability to play anywhere on the line in a 4-3 and also could play 3-4 DE. 

    If anyone watched the Wisconsin game vs Ohio St saw Teddy Bruschi playing. I mean CHRIS BORLAND. Thsi kid was outstanding in that game. Also undersized but he made plenty of stops against Ohio State the best one coming near the goal line and RB Carlos Hyde(6ft 240lbs) had an open hole and boom Borland met him head on and stood him straight up. It wasn't his only good play of the game but it defenantly made me say out laud "wow".

    Another kid who deserves to be on the radar is Deone Bucannon. Hes worth a late round pick. Is an absolute thumper at the SS position. Good become a very solid late round pick. I always like a guy with great range and puts the fear into a WR. I only watched him last night but he was all over the place and taking great routes to the ball. Having a hard time finding enough video on him but last night he looked to be a beast coming forward and making tackles. The announcer said he was the hardest hitting safety he has seen this year and they showed some (valid)video proof but I couldn't find any.

     
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    What a good Saturday with some very good games. I spent the entire day catching up on draft info. Here is some interesting things that Ive come away with. 

    Will Sutton needs to recognized on this board. This kid is a absolute beast in the middle. It pretty clear to me that if this defense wants to keep going in the right directing they need to keep creating pass rush to get after the qb. He may be a little under sized but he packs a punch. He heads up a guard and and he can straight dominate them, he also has the ablity to move to 3-4 DE which is a reason that he would be a great fit for the Pats. Check out any game he has played this year or last and he clearly stands out, always makes a key play in a game. He is also one bad mother f*cker, thats what this defense needs. 

    Domineque Easley will be the best second or third rounder taken. I have watched him every game before he tore his ACL and he was the best DL, in college football. Better production than Clowney. Would be a grea fit for NE because the ability to play anywhere on the line in a 4-3 and also could play 3-4 DE. 

    If anyone watched the Wisconsin game vs Ohio St saw Teddy Bruschi playing. I mean CHRIS BORLAND. Thsi kid was outstanding in that game. Also undersized but he made plenty of stops against Ohio State the best one coming near the goal line and RB Carlos Hyde(6ft 240lbs) had an open hole and boom Borland met him head on and stood him straight up. It wasn't his only good play of the game but it defenantly made me say out laud "wow".

    Another kid who deserves to be on the radar is Deone Bucannon. Hes worth a late round pick. Is an absolute thumper at the SS position. Good become a very solid late round pick. I always like a guy with great range and puts the fear into a WR. I only watched him last night but he was all over the place and taking great routes to the ball. Having a hard time finding enough video on him but last night he looked to be a beast coming forward and making tackles. The announcer said he was the hardest hitting safety he has seen this year and they showed some (valid)video proof but I couldn't find any.




    Thanks for the feedback, m12... Sutton and Easley, IMO, project as good fits for even front teams that are looking for a penetrator/somebody that's effective at shooting gaps, etc.  I don't see either as a good fit for what NE likes to do when they're in an odd front, which is to 2 gap.  BB has employed an "undersized" interior rusher during passing downs the past couple of years (Cunningham/Francis, etc.) so they may be looking for a more talented pure rush player to fill that roll moving forward.

     
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    What a good Saturday with some very good games. I spent the entire day catching up on draft info. Here is some interesting things that Ive come away with. 

    Will Sutton needs to recognized on this board. This kid is a absolute beast in the middle. It pretty clear to me that if this defense wants to keep going in the right directing they need to keep creating pass rush to get after the qb. He may be a little under sized but he packs a punch. He heads up a guard and and he can straight dominate them, he also has the ablity to move to 3-4 DE which is a reason that he would be a great fit for the Pats. Check out any game he has played this year or last and he clearly stands out, always makes a key play in a game. He is also one bad mother f*cker, thats what this defense needs. 

    Domineque Easley will be the best second or third rounder taken. I have watched him every game before he tore his ACL and he was the best DL, in college football. Better production than Clowney. Would be a grea fit for NE because the ability to play anywhere on the line in a 4-3 and also could play 3-4 DE. 

    If anyone watched the Wisconsin game vs Ohio St saw Teddy Bruschi playing. I mean CHRIS BORLAND. Thsi kid was outstanding in that game. Also undersized but he made plenty of stops against Ohio State the best one coming near the goal line and RB Carlos Hyde(6ft 240lbs) had an open hole and boom Borland met him head on and stood him straight up. It wasn't his only good play of the game but it defenantly made me say out laud "wow".

    Another kid who deserves to be on the radar is Deone Bucannon. Hes worth a late round pick. Is an absolute thumper at the SS position. Good become a very solid late round pick. I always like a guy with great range and puts the fear into a WR. I only watched him last night but he was all over the place and taking great routes to the ball. Having a hard time finding enough video on him but last night he looked to be a beast coming forward and making tackles. The announcer said he was the hardest hitting safety he has seen this year and they showed some (valid)video proof but I couldn't find any.

     




    Thanks for the feedback, m12... Sutton and Easley, IMO, project as good fits for even front teams that are looking for a penetrator/somebody that's effective at shooting gaps, etc.  I don't see either as a good fit for what NE likes to do when they're in an odd front, which is to 2 gap.  BB has employed an "undersized" interior rusher during passing downs the past couple of years (Cunningham/Francis, etc.) so they may be looking for a more talented pure rush player to fill that roll moving forward.

     

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    I agree he usually goes for guys like Wilfork who can be that 2 gap man and keep guys off the LB's. But this is a league that is always changing and now teams have duel threat QB's and drop back to pass 50 times a game. Thats why I like the thought of getting guys that get after the QB. Plus NE has played a lot of 4 man front with Jones and Ninc at DE and Wilfork Kelly inside. 

     
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    What a good Saturday with some very good games. I spent the entire day catching up on draft info. Here is some interesting things that Ive come away with. 

    Will Sutton needs to recognized on this board. This kid is a absolute beast in the middle. It pretty clear to me that if this defense wants to keep going in the right directing they need to keep creating pass rush to get after the qb. He may be a little under sized but he packs a punch. He heads up a guard and and he can straight dominate them, he also has the ablity to move to 3-4 DE which is a reason that he would be a great fit for the Pats. Check out any game he has played this year or last and he clearly stands out, always makes a key play in a game. He is also one bad mother f*cker, thats what this defense needs. 

    Domineque Easley will be the best second or third rounder taken. I have watched him every game before he tore his ACL and he was the best DL, in college football. Better production than Clowney. Would be a grea fit for NE because the ability to play anywhere on the line in a 4-3 and also could play 3-4 DE. 

    If anyone watched the Wisconsin game vs Ohio St saw Teddy Bruschi playing. I mean CHRIS BORLAND. Thsi kid was outstanding in that game. Also undersized but he made plenty of stops against Ohio State the best one coming near the goal line and RB Carlos Hyde(6ft 240lbs) had an open hole and boom Borland met him head on and stood him straight up. It wasn't his only good play of the game but it defenantly made me say out laud "wow".

    Another kid who deserves to be on the radar is Deone Bucannon. Hes worth a late round pick. Is an absolute thumper at the SS position. Good become a very solid late round pick. I always like a guy with great range and puts the fear into a WR. I only watched him last night but he was all over the place and taking great routes to the ball. Having a hard time finding enough video on him but last night he looked to be a beast coming forward and making tackles. The announcer said he was the hardest hitting safety he has seen this year and they showed some (valid)video proof but I couldn't find any.

     

     




    Thanks for the feedback, m12... Sutton and Easley, IMO, project as good fits for even front teams that are looking for a penetrator/somebody that's effective at shooting gaps, etc.  I don't see either as a good fit for what NE likes to do when they're in an odd front, which is to 2 gap.  BB has employed an "undersized" interior rusher during passing downs the past couple of years (Cunningham/Francis, etc.) so they may be looking for a more talented pure rush player to fill that roll moving forward.

     

     

     

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    I agree he usually goes for guys like Wilfork who can be that 2 gap man and keep guys off the LB's. But this is a league that is always changing and now teams have duel threat QB's and drop back to pass 50 times a game. Thats why I like the thought of getting guys that get after the QB. Plus NE has played a lot of 4 man front with Jones and Ninc at DE and Wilfork Kelly inside. 

     

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    Was this an omen?

    I guess the Pats looks for a NT next year. I am not sure I see anyone interesting other than McCullers and Nix. Neither has been lighting up things this year.

    I think the team would have been better off drafting a NT - even if it was Brandon Williams. He's similar to Poe, who's looking good now.

     
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    I am hoping we trade for or pick up in FA phil taylor and draft mcCullers.  having wilfork and tayor start with kelly and mccullers rotating in would finally give us the DT's we need.









    with enough thrust, pigs fly just fine!

     
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    Bama S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix has been "suspended indefinitely" for accepting $500 from a Tide Assistan S&C coach.  I love how these "suspensions" always seem to line up with the weakest team on the schedule.

      http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/HaHa_Clinton-Dix?Title=Alabama-assistant-strength-coach-placed-on-administrative-leave-for-providing-money-to-HaHa-Clinton-Dix
     
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    Bama S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix has been "suspended indefinitely" for accepting $500 from a Tide Assistan S&C coach.  I love how these "suspensions" always seem to line up with the weakest team on the schedule.

      http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/HaHa_Clinton-Dix?Title=Alabama-assistant-strength-coach-placed-on-administrative-leave-for-providing-money-to-HaHa-Clinton-Dix




    1) The kid can play

    2) Yes... it does appear that suspensions on big teams line up with the weak part of the sched

     
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    BTW MB, given it's a slow period, do you guys have any opinion on the people's suggestion that NCAA should just allow athletes to be paid? Or is this topic too big of a powder keg here?

     
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    Liked AJ from the get go. Considerably less of a knucklehead than Manziel and will continue to face excellent competition. Just looks very mature both as a player and person. Still see Bridgewater and Mariotta (if he can continue to pile up great stats) as ahead of McCarron. Where does McCarron fall in the draft I could see 15-25 as his potential landing spot, however he could also be a late 2nd rounder if Boyd is on the board. Where do think Mc Carron lands MB???

     

    If the Pats draft Mc Carron there will be awesome catfights in luxury boxes (Giselle and Webb and Krafts GF). PPV-worthy.

     




     

    I think you could potentially see as many as (10) QB's with Rd 1/Top 64 grades (list below in no particular order)... I see McCarron as a solid Rd 2 kid (Top 40-50) with Rd 1 upside.  You may not see all (10) declare, but this could be one of the deepest QB drafts that we've seen in a long, long time.

    Bridgewater- Lousiville

    Hundley- UCLA

    Mariota- Oregon

    Boyd- Clemson

    McCarron- Alabama

    Gardner- Mich

    Manziel- Tex A&M

    Morris- Miami

    Fales- SJSU

    Murray- Georgia

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    You may want to drop Fales off your list. I now have seen two of his games. Unless he improves dramatically, he won't be picked even in the second or third.

    On both games, I saw him consistently struggle throwing screen passes. It's hard to imagine a QB struggle with that but he does going either direction. Not sure if related, but he also seems to not connect on plays that rely heavily on timing. Not accurate enough on short and mid-range passes, for my taste.

    He can throw a nice long ball.

     
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    Catching up ons ome college games on the DVR. Now watching ARIZONA @ WASHINGTON.

    I find it interesting that Sefarian Jenkins is not being thrown to much.

    UW's Sankey (RB) - Someone mentioned him earlier. I think it was MB. He is a player. I know the Pats is set at RB. I am just acknowledging here the post on Sankey.

    Two of UW's defesnive players look interesting and they probably won't shoot up the draft boards.

    UW DT Danny Shelton (6'1", 325): He played like he can stop Arizona's run game all by himself.

    UW CB Marcus Peters (5'11", 193): Good cover skills and reliable tackler; got called for PI for getting in contact with his receiver a tad early. Otherwise solid game.

    ARI CB Shaquille Richardson (6'1", 186): If he keeps up his play, watch out. This kid will shoot up to the second day of the draft at least.

     
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    Talking about TE take a look at Arkansas TE Hunter Henry he is a freshman but looks very good

     
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    Hey Mbeau,

     

    This has Patriots written all over it in the 3rd or 4th round... if he makes it...

     

    Florida confirmed senior DT Dominique Easley will miss the remainder of the season due to a torn meniscus and ACL in his right knee.

    Head coach Will Muschamp got out hopes up after he said Easley only "tweaked" his knee, but other reports stated otherwise. Easley tore the ACL in his left knee in 2011, so at least this isn't a repeat. The senior was the most dominant interior defensive lineman through four weeks of the season and offers great burst and hand use off the snap. He can return under a medical redshirt tag, but we expect Easley to enter May's draft. Our own Josh Norris considers him a top 20 talent, but recognizes he won't be drafted there.  

     

    What do you think?

     




     

    Hey man... it probably all comes down to how they'd be looking to utilize him as at 6-2 280, he's kind of a tweener and certainly undersized to play inside for them on a consistent basis.  Now they may look at him as a move type who could play DE or kick inside on passing downs in an even front or maybe work as a jumbo OLB in odd fronts.

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    Got you.. thanks for the feedback.  

     
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    Hey Mbeau,

     

    This has Patriots written all over it in the 3rd or 4th round... if he makes it...

     

    Florida confirmed senior DT Dominique Easley will miss the remainder of the season due to a torn meniscus and ACL in his right knee.

    Head coach Will Muschamp got out hopes up after he said Easley only "tweaked" his knee, but other reports stated otherwise. Easley tore the ACL in his left knee in 2011, so at least this isn't a repeat. The senior was the most dominant interior defensive lineman through four weeks of the season and offers great burst and hand use off the snap. He can return under a medical redshirt tag, but we expect Easley to enter May's draft. Our own Josh Norris considers him a top 20 talent, but recognizes he won't be drafted there.  

     

    What do you think?

     




    If I may behind in, the kid is crazy good.

     

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    Of course, thanks bro...

     

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