Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***
posted at 11/30/2013 10:10 AM EST
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OT/OG- Zack Martin- ND ---> Yes
CB- Justin Gilbert- Oklahoma State ---> YES
DE/OLB- Trent Murphy- Stanford ---> YES
OLB- Kyle Van Noy- BYU ---> Mixed to yes (still hoping he looks as good at the season end as last eyar's season end)
CB/S- Kyle Fuller- VT ---> YES YES (And he may drop too)
OG- David Yankey- Stanford ---> YES YES
CB- Darqueze Dennard- Michigan State ---> More a mid second to me
DT- Ra'shede Hageman- Minnesota ---> Will reserve judgement 'til I see my recording of the WIS v MIN game
DT- Ego Ferguson- LSU ---> Maybe in the early second
DT- Timmy Jernigan- FSU ---> For a run stuffer, I'd rather take Allen in the third round
CB- Bradley Roby- OSU ---> I will have to see another OSU game
ILB- AJ Johnson- Tennessee ---> Will have to see another TEN game
Just sharing my quick reactions above...
Well, I finally got a chance to follow through with watching the WIS @ MIN game. Frankly, I am still struggling to see why people are infatuated with Hageman. I'd appreciate it if anyone can tell me when Hageman made good plays. I think I saw him make a good tackle in the first quarter. On anotehr play, I saw him open up a lane for his LB to attack the WIS QB on a delayed blitz for a sack. That was it.
Throughout the ame, I was just watching WIS's Allen and Abbrederis and MIN's Hageman.
My thoughts on Hageman, based on four MIN games I have seen (vs WIS, vs PSU, vs Iowa and another that I don't remember who):
He does not play on a big chunk of MIN's defensive snaps. Against WIS, I don't think he even played on 50% of their defensive snaps. Against PSU, I noticed he did not play on a lot of snaps, but did not really take note of how much. It was the observation on that game vs PSU, that made me track his snaps on the WIS game.
I have not figured out what he is good at. I have not seen him get to the QB. Maybe I missed it, as I speed through some portions of the game. I don't think offenses are afraid of his ability to stop teh run. At least WIS is not afraid of running at him. On a 2nd and goal at the MIN 2, in Q2,WIS ran through where Hageman lined up, for a TD. On a 4th and 1, WIS ran at his side again for a first down.
Between WIS's Allen and MIN's Hageman, I think I strongly prefer Allen (who is projected to be available in the fourth) than Hageman where he is currently projected - 1st rnd. At least, I know what I am getting from Allen - a 333 lb NT who actually is strong at holding space and arguably a more active motor than most NTs.
I believe, WIS's Allen and PSU's Jones are the NTs that present the best value where they are projected.
That said, I am sure come March, someone will have put together on youtube a highlight reel of Hageman's spectacular plays. Plus, I do anticipate Hageman to ace his combine.
Love the continued feedback on Hageman, keep it coming!
Ego Ferguson is probably the top DT on my board at this point, and I can't wait to see more tape of Kelcy Quarles... would love to see them double up... snagging Ferguson, Quarles or or D. Jones on Day 1 or 2... then following up with Beau on Day 3.
Agree completely on Hageman...I've TRIED to watch him play several times and he never seems to be on the field and when he is he's not even the best D lineman on his own team, or at least that's the way it seems to me....wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.
Dennard of Michigan State gets after it all the time, plays all out all the time...he's a real ball hawk and has great coverage skills but is a legit tough guy on the field....in fact, the entire Mich. State D has many draftable guys who will be productive NFL players.
I'm with you... have mentioned it a couple times, but Dennard might be my favorite player in this class... not sure there's a tougher, more competitive kid in college football... love this kids game.