***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    OURLADS has NE taking Donald with Hageman and Tuitt still on the board.

    29 New England  Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh  6010v 288v 4.89e Aaron Donald is a scheme specific 4-3 under-tackle who explodes off the ball and is a slippery leverage player. Long arms to bat down passes. Works hard every play from snap to whistle. Always puts in a good day’s work. Good flexibility to dip and bend. Won the defensive player of the year sweepstakes collecting the Bednarik, Lombardi, Outland Trophy, and Nagurski Awards. Was unanimous All-America plus ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

    NEEDS: DT,OG,C,TE[/QUOTE]

    That'd signal a pretty sizable shift away from a gap control front/philosophy, IMO.  Very, very good player though. 

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    I really think they need some kids who can play in that different philosophy. It's the philosophy that seems to work best in the big game.

     
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    OT Taylor Lewan, 6-7, 314, Michigan. ( height of vollmer)... Put him in a pats uniform and your all set at OT..I don't know where he's projected, I think the middle first, I'm not sure..I would consider trading up for him if we had too. 

     
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    Donald is obviously a very good player, you don't win all the defensive awards for sucking eggs. Going to the 4-3 as a base package would be different but not a unreasonable switch considering the present roster.

     
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    OURLADS has NE taking Donald with Hageman and Tuitt still on the board.

    29 New England  Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh  6010v 288v 4.89e Aaron Donald is a scheme specific 4-3 under-tackle who explodes off the ball and is a slippery leverage player. Long arms to bat down passes. Works hard every play from snap to whistle. Always puts in a good day’s work. Good flexibility to dip and bend. Won the defensive player of the year sweepstakes collecting the Bednarik, Lombardi, Outland Trophy, and Nagurski Awards. Was unanimous All-America plus ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

    NEEDS: DT,OG,C,TE[/QUOTE]

    That'd signal a pretty sizable shift away from a gap control front/philosophy, IMO.  Very, very good player though. 

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    I really think they need some kids who can play in that different philosophy. It's the philosophy that seems to work best in the big game.

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    I still think they target kids that can play in multiple fronts, at least early in the draft... though it does bring up an opportunity to discuss a potential change to their base scheme.  I think we'll know more when we see what they do with VW/TK prior to the draft.  

     
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    Here's how I see it: If Nix, Hageman or Tuitt are there at 29 we take him and run like hell. any of the 3 i love for this D. Donald is good but a bit undersized which doesnt fit imo.

    if all those 3 are gone and Amaro and Ebron (he will be) are gone then look to trade down and grab a pick in the early 40s take Niklas or ASJ then take Daquan Jones with our assigned 2nd round pick. thats the way i see it....

     

    oh if Calvin Pryor or Clinton-Dix are there at 29 I would give it a real thought as well. Gregory wont cut it for a SB contending team. need an upgrade thru FA or draft.

     
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    Here's how I see it: If Nix, Hageman or Tuitt are there at 29 we take him and run like hell. any of the 3 i love for this D. Donald is good but a bit undersized which doesnt fit imo.

    if all those 3 are gone and Amaro and Ebron (he will be) are gone then look to trade down and grab a pick in the early 40s take Niklas or ASJ then take Daquan Jones with our assigned 2nd round pick. thats the way i see it....

     

    oh if Calvin Pryor or Clinton-Dix are there at 29 I would give it a real thought as well. Gregory wont cut it for a SB contending team. need an upgrade thru FA or draft.

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    Yep.  I agree across the board.  

     
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    One thing someone mentioned earlier about practice squad players - we have Markus Zusevics - offensive tackle from Iowa. 

    Seem to recall him doing well last year in training camp prior to an injury - he could provide some great value this year - but probably only at guard and possibly right tackle. 

     
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    One thing someone mentioned earlier about practice squad players - we have Markus Zusevics - offensive tackle from Iowa. 

    Seem to recall him doing well last year in training camp prior to an injury - he could provide some great value this year - but probably only at guard and possibly right tackle. 

    [/QUOTE] As I recall the Patriots have one Seabass Vollmer coming back next season, so though we do have Zusevics,I'd prefer a healthy Vollmer so we can slip Cannon inside to the guard position and Connolly back to center. As far as the drafting of a DT we all know it will happen it just depends on how soon BB plays that card, 1rst 2nd or will it be 3rd round? First Round means Tuitt, NixIII, or Hageman. Second round it could be Donald or D'Quan Jones, Third round could mean McCullers or a riser from the combine... I'd almost prefer they take the TE in the first round, but if any of the DT's mentioned from the top three fall to the Patriots in the 1rst rd., then they will take one and run like they just stole a brand new pair of Air Jordans!!!!!


     
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    Here's how I see it: If Nix, Hageman or Tuitt are there at 29 we take him and run like hell. any of the 3 i love for this D. Donald is good but a bit undersized which doesnt fit imo.

    if all those 3 are gone and Amaro and Ebron (he will be) are gone then look to trade down and grab a pick in the early 40s take Niklas or ASJ then take Daquan Jones with our assigned 2nd round pick. thats the way i see it....

     

    oh if Calvin Pryor or Clinton-Dix are there at 29 I would give it a real thought as well. Gregory wont cut it for a SB contending team. need an upgrade thru FA or draft.

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    People won't like this but I say even if those guys are there (OK except maybe Nix, he would probably trump it) but Jace Amaro is there also(if he is as good as he's suppose to be). I think BB takes Amaro.

    Two reasons why.

    1) Past history.

    How many times has BB gone after a TE early in a draft AND he lost one of his primary TE's and has the other almost always injured so you could make an argument he lost 1 and a 1/2. They clearly had a future vision for both in a big way for this offense.

    How many years have we predicted he would take a DT in the 1st but he hasn't? He might and probably should too but my best guess is he would take the TE if he really liked him.

    2) Points and his system.

    This won't be popular but you win or lose based on points. Not TOP, Not # of possessions. In the superbowl losses the defense only gave up x number of points, regardless of yards, top etc. I just believe BB feels if his teams only allow x # of points or fewer he would have a shot to win.

    I've also heard Kraft preach the same thing before. Something along the lines of "we feel as long as we score at least 21 points we have a chance to win any game". Obviously all games don't go that way but I think that's there general philosophy.

     
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    Here's how I see it: If Nix, Hageman or Tuitt are there at 29 we take him and run like hell. any of the 3 i love for this D. Donald is good but a bit undersized which doesnt fit imo.

    if all those 3 are gone and Amaro and Ebron (he will be) are gone then look to trade down and grab a pick in the early 40s take Niklas or ASJ then take Daquan Jones with our assigned 2nd round pick. thats the way i see it....

     

    oh if Calvin Pryor or Clinton-Dix are there at 29 I would give it a real thought as well. Gregory wont cut it for a SB contending team. need an upgrade thru FA or draft.

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    Those seem to be the consensus thread favorites at this point.  Donald would be all kinds of intriguing to me.  Like I said, if you're spending a Rd 1 pick on an undersized 3 tech, it signals a pretty large shift in what you're looking to do and he's one of the most underrated players in this entire class.

     
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    Here's how I see it: If Nix, Hageman or Tuitt are there at 29 we take him and run like hell. any of the 3 i love for this D. Donald is good but a bit undersized which doesnt fit imo.

    if all those 3 are gone and Amaro and Ebron (he will be) are gone then look to trade down and grab a pick in the early 40s take Niklas or ASJ then take Daquan Jones with our assigned 2nd round pick. thats the way i see it....

     

    oh if Calvin Pryor or Clinton-Dix are there at 29 I would give it a real thought as well. Gregory wont cut it for a SB contending team. need an upgrade thru FA or draft.

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    People won't like this but I say even if those guys are there (OK except maybe Nix, he would probably trump it) but Jace Amaro is there also(if he is as good as he's suppose to be). I think BB takes Amaro.

    Two reasons why.

    1) Past history.

    How many times has BB gone after a TE early in a draft AND he lost one of his primary TE's and has the other almost always injured so you could make an argument he lost 1 and a 1/2. They clearly had a future vision for both in a big way for this offense.

    How many years have we predicted he would take a DT in the 1st but he hasn't? He might and probably should too but my best guess is he would take the TE if he really liked him.

    2) Points and his system.

    This won't be popular but you win or lose based on points. Not TOP, Not # of possessions. In the superbowl losses the defense only gave up x number of points, regardless of yards, top etc. I just believe BB feels if his teams only allow x # of points or fewer he would have a shot to win.

    I've also heard Kraft preach the same thing before. Something along the lines of "we feel as long as we score at least 21 points we have a chance to win any game". Obviously all games don't go that way but I think that's there general philosophy.

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    I do agree to an extenet Low but BB tends to build up areas he takes a lot of flak for in the offseasons. WR after 06', CB almost every year after horrible showings. This year he was killed because the one thing you could say about a BB D was they were stout against the run and this year they got killed up the middle. Honestly simply because BB hates being questioned he'll take a DT early or make a big move for a DT just so he doesn't get questioned for it again. 

    But as you said Amaro is really hard to turn down. I still wouldn't doubt he's targeting Fiedorowicz. Solid overall TE, with a solid senior bowl performance. IMO will be underrated in the draft and also has the connection to Hern's borther at Iowa who BB has kept in contact with. Hard to believe BB would stay in contact with the brother and visit practices unless he plans to use him in the future about talent and Fiedorowicz seems like a BB type of TE. Not to mention he might be had in the 3rd which would give BB great value.

     
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    Was just looking at the roster and for the life of me I can't figure out what happened to Bequette.  Coming out a couple years ago I was very happy when they got him in the 3rd.  He's a height weight speed guy who doesn't play up to it.  Wish he would had worked out, could if finally click for him in year 3?  

    If I remember right, his strength was always more against the run more so than a pass rusher but he still lead the SEC in sacks.  

     

    And what if I said NE has a 4.37 40 guy that's 6'3" 230+ lb WR on the roster.  I'm sure most know about Mark Harrison but damn, can this guy get it?

    Sam McCguffie, 4.3 40 4.02 short shuffle 11'+ broad jump,  is he the next WR to catch 100 from brady?  has talent but has had a few concussions. He's assigned to practice squad.

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    Triangle numbers looks great but there is a reason he went undrafted. I wouldn't count on the kid. Coleman, Hoffman, Latimore all have more upside but Harrison is someone to keep an eye on because if route running and learning to use that big body click with him he could be very dangerous

     
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    Was just looking at the roster and for the life of me I can't figure out what happened to Bequette.  Coming out a couple years ago I was very happy when they got him in the 3rd.  He's a height weight speed guy who doesn't play up to it.  Wish he would had worked out, could if finally click for him in year 3?  

    If I remember right, his strength was always more against the run more so than a pass rusher but he still lead the SEC in sacks.  

     

    And what if I said NE has a 4.37 40 guy that's 6'3" 230+ lb WR on the roster.  I'm sure most know about Mark Harrison but damn, can this guy get it?

    Sam McCguffie, 4.3 40 4.02 short shuffle 11'+ broad jump,  is he the next WR to catch 100 from brady?  has talent but has had a few concussions. He's assigned to practice squad.

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    Triangle numbers looks great but there is a reason he went undrafted. I wouldn't count on the kid. Coleman, Hoffman, Latimore all have more upside but Harrison is someone to keep an eye on because if route running and learning to use that big body click with him he could be very dangerous

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    Hi Eng, that's what I'm hopping that it clicks with him.  At minimum he's an asset on running game.  Just too many intangibles not to give him a shot.  Here's good breakdown on him coming out.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1610089-mark-harrison-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-rutgers-wr

     
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    OURLADS has NE taking Donald with Hageman and Tuitt still on the board.

    29 New England  Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh  6010v 288v 4.89e Aaron Donald is a scheme specific 4-3 under-tackle who explodes off the ball and is a slippery leverage player. Long arms to bat down passes. Works hard every play from snap to whistle. Always puts in a good day’s work. Good flexibility to dip and bend. Won the defensive player of the year sweepstakes collecting the Bednarik, Lombardi, Outland Trophy, and Nagurski Awards. Was unanimous All-America plus ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

    NEEDS: DT,OG,C,TE[/QUOTE]

    That'd signal a pretty sizable shift away from a gap control front/philosophy, IMO.  Very, very good player though. 

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    agreed, but that shift would also bring in a Sam, as he'd fit that role pretty well. A quicker line overall

     
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    Was just looking at the roster and for the life of me I can't figure out what happened to Bequette.  Coming out a couple years ago I was very happy when they got him in the 3rd.  He's a height weight speed guy who doesn't play up to it.  Wish he would had worked out, could if finally click for him in year 3?  

    If I remember right, his strength was always more against the run more so than a pass rusher but he still lead the SEC in sacks.  

     

    And what if I said NE has a 4.37 40 guy that's 6'3" 230+ lb WR on the roster.  I'm sure most know about Mark Harrison but damn, can this guy get it?

    Sam McCguffie, 4.3 40 4.02 short shuffle 11'+ broad jump,  is he the next WR to catch 100 from brady?  has talent but has had a few concussions. He's assigned to practice squad.

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    Triangle numbers looks great but there is a reason he went undrafted. I wouldn't count on the kid. Coleman, Hoffman, Latimore all have more upside but Harrison is someone to keep an eye on because if route running and learning to use that big body click with him he could be very dangerous

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    Hi Eng, that's what I'm hopping that it clicks with him.  At minimum he's an asset on running game.  Just too many intangibles not to give him a shot.  Here's good breakdown on him coming out.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1610089-mark-harrison-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-rutgers-wr

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    McGuffie was a youtube sensation as a prep RB... frequently jumping over would be tacklers. My expectations are tempered as well, but it'll be fun to see if he, Harrison or Moe can prove anything in camp.

     
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    OURLADS has NE taking Donald with Hageman and Tuitt still on the board.

    29 New England  Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh  6010v 288v 4.89e Aaron Donald is a scheme specific 4-3 under-tackle who explodes off the ball and is a slippery leverage player. Long arms to bat down passes. Works hard every play from snap to whistle. Always puts in a good day’s work. Good flexibility to dip and bend. Won the defensive player of the year sweepstakes collecting the Bednarik, Lombardi, Outland Trophy, and Nagurski Awards. Was unanimous All-America plus ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

    NEEDS: DT,OG,C,TE[/QUOTE]

    That'd signal a pretty sizable shift away from a gap control front/philosophy, IMO.  Very, very good player though. 

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    agreed, but that shift would also bring in a Sam, as he'd fit that role pretty well. A quicker line overall

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    And a Telvin Smith... talk about adding athleticism and explosion to the front 7.

     
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    Funny how Donald is being called undersized at 6'1" and 288 lbs, but Jernagin at 6'2" and 298 is considered ok! I've seen mocks that have Jernagin going anywheres from 10-25 in this draft, my question would be who won all the awards on defense? Donald...

     
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    Funny how Donald is being called undersized at 6'1" and 288 lbs, but Jernagin at 6'2" and 298 is considered ok! I've seen mocks that have Jernagin going anywheres from 10-25 in this draft, my question would be who won all the awards on defense? Donald...

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    Different types of players... Timmy does his work with violent hands and power, more of a dirty work player, very good vs. the run... Donald is an explosive kid that gets on an OL in a hurry and is asked to shoot gaps and be disruptive.  

     
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    Funny how Donald is being called undersized at 6'1" and 288 lbs, but Jernagin at 6'2" and 298 is considered ok! I've seen mocks that have Jernagin going anywheres from 10-25 in this draft, my question would be who won all the awards on defense? Donald...

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    Different types of players... Timmy does his work with violent hands and power, more of a dirty work player, very good vs. the run... Donald is an explosive kid that gets on an OL in a hurry and is asked to shoot gaps and be disruptive.  

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    The way I see it, they already have a few of those gap control players. What they seem to not have at critical times is someone who can shoot into the backfield to disrupt the QB or RB. 6'1" 288 is a bit small for my taste, however. I think you find nearly equivalent players who are bigger.

     
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    I do agree to an extenet Low but BB tends to build up areas he takes a lot of flak for in the offseasons. WR after 06', CB almost every year after horrible showings. This year he was killed because the one thing you could say about a BB D was they were stout against the run and this year they got killed up the middle. Honestly simply because BB hates being questioned he'll take a DT early or make a big move for a DT just so he doesn't get questioned for it again. 

    But as you said Amaro is really hard to turn down. I still wouldn't doubt he's targeting Fiedorowicz. Solid overall TE, with a solid senior bowl performance. IMO will be underrated in the draft and also has the connection to Hern's borther at Iowa who BB has kept in contact with. Hard to believe BB would stay in contact with the brother and visit practices unless he plans to use him in the future about talent and Fiedorowicz seems like a BB type of TE. Not to mention he might be had in the 3rd which would give BB great value.

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    Could very well be right Eng. 

    Honestly this thread does a very good job of identifying players every year that end up not being available by the time draft rolls around and everyone else catches up to how good those players look.

    I would not be surprised at all if Nix, Tuitt, Hageman, Amaro, etc are all off the board by the Pats pick.

     
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    I do agree to an extenet Low but BB tends to build up areas he takes a lot of flak for in the offseasons. WR after 06', CB almost every year after horrible showings. This year he was killed because the one thing you could say about a BB D was they were stout against the run and this year they got killed up the middle. Honestly simply because BB hates being questioned he'll take a DT early or make a big move for a DT just so he doesn't get questioned for it again. 

     

    But as you said Amaro is really hard to turn down. I still wouldn't doubt he's targeting Fiedorowicz. Solid overall TE, with a solid senior bowl performance. IMO will be underrated in the draft and also has the connection to Hern's borther at Iowa who BB has kept in contact with. Hard to believe BB would stay in contact with the brother and visit practices unless he plans to use him in the future about talent and Fiedorowicz seems like a BB type of TE. Not to mention he might be had in the 3rd which would give BB great value.

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    Could very well be right Eng. 

    Honestly this thread does a very good job of identifying players every year that end up not being available by the time draft rolls around and everyone else catches up to how good those players look.

    I would not be surprised at all if Nix, Tuitt, Hageman, Amaro, etc are all off the board by the Pats pick.

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    Yeah we do a pretty good job picking players in the day1-2 range, esp in Sept when these guys are relatively unknowns.I honestly believe given NFL resources some on the thread would do ok as scouts. Not great and not GM level but scouts sure if they put their minds on it.

     
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    Interesting read.....

     

    UNDER-THE-RADAR PROSPECTS TO WATCH FOR THE 2014 DRAFT 

    by Colin Lindsay
    GBN Editor and Publisher

    For the most part, the NFL draft is the preserve of the big-time college football programs. Indeed, every year, something in the neighborhood of 85% of all players drafted are from a D1A school with the large majority of those coming from BCS conferences. Hope springs eternal though, and NFL teams - and their most loyal followers - are always looking for that diamond in the rough who just might be the difference between an also-ran and a championship team and over the course of the next couple of months we'll profile some of the more intrigued so-called sleepers for the upcoming draft.

    February 14, 2014

    Profiles of 5 unheralded prospects who have been invitedto this year's scouting combine in Indianapolis

    DT Tenny Palepoi; Utah, 6-1, 300, 5.15 …  Underrated interior defensive lineman was a junior college All-American in 2011 and then was part of a rotation backing up 2013 first rounder Star Lotulelei last fall, but had a productive year this past season when he finally got a chance to start regularly. Built a little bit like a fire hydrant with very good strength, he did a nice job clogging up the middle as the Utes’ nose tackle this past year as he finished with 53 tackles, including 4.5 sacks and 5 other tackles for loss. Has good quickness off the snap and can deliver an effective punch; also plays with good leverage and has a quality motor, but lacks much in the way of polished pass rush moves and maybe limited to a two-down role at next level; has good bloodlines though as he is the younger brother of former NFL DE Anton Palepoi who played for 6 years in the league.

    DT Mike Pennel; Colorado State - Pueblo; 6-3, 365, 5.25 … Could be one of the biggest stories of the combine - both literally and figuratively - although he does not have much of a track record on the field and also appears to be bringing a lot of baggage. Indeed, brings new meaning to the term ‘million-dollar talent, 5-cent brain!‘ Certainly will be hard to miss at the combine as he is a genuinely massive guy at over 365 pounds who was a junior college All-American in 2011 when he had 5 sacks at Scottsdale CC in Arizona. Originally committed to Arkansas for his junior year in 2012, but ultimately ended up at Arizona State where he played in only 5 games that year after being suspended twice for not meeting team standards. Pennel then moved on to CSU-Pueblo last fall, but again spent much of the season in the coach’s proverbial doghouse. In fact, was suspended three times for a total of 6 games this past season for a variety of infractions. However, NFL teams still want to see this guy at the combine as he has been described as having “once-in-20-years" physical talent. When motivated he is a true space eater with surprisingly light feet and while he likely lacks the overall range to make a lot of plays himself at the next level, could be a dominating pocket buster who demands constant double-teaming.
     
    CB Todd Washington, Southeastern Louisiana; 5-11, 190, 4.55 … Originally a top 50 type prep recruit who signed at Memphis and started for the Tigers as a true freshman, before transferring to SE Louisiana. Was also considered to be one of the top small-school prospects in the country heading into the season, but ultimately played in only 8 games because of an injury. Physical player with good length could also get some looks at safety at the next level; has been effective jamming receivers at the line of scrimmage and has reasonably fluid hips, but lacks true top-end recovery speed. Also aggressive when the ball is in the air, but lacks great ball skills.

    CB Keith Reaser, Florida Atlantic, 5-11, 190, 4.45 … Athletic 5th year senior was also a track star in high school where he qualified for the Florida state championships in both the 100 and 200Ms with a PB of 10.7 in the former; and its that speed that likely got Reaser invited to the combine as he has never been super productive at FAU, although he was a three year starter; versatile corner also played some safety at FAU and could get looks at the next level as a slot corner; has good size and is a solid tackler with a knck forgetting into the backfield; indeed, had 158 career stops at FAU including 17 for loss; also had 5 career picks, but has never been that instinctive when the ball is in the air and lacks great ball skills; may also be limited at the combine as he suffered a second ending torn ACL in October.

    OG Conor Boffeli; Iowa, 6-3, 295, 5.20 … Veteran interior offensive linemen with some athletic ability who could get some late-round interest from team’s looking for a developmental prospect upfront. Fifth senior barely played at all until late in his junior season, but started the past 15 games for the Hawkeyes and was an Honorable mention on the Big Ten conference team this past fall; was an all-state TE in high school; well built OG with good length and the frame to add some weight; has long arms and very good feet; physical run blocker fires out off the snap, can get to the second level and goes all out every play; versatile player could also be a factor at C; needs to get stronger, though, and refine technique especially in pass protection; outstanding character player earned academic all-conference honors the past four years.

     
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    I don't ever expect any of my picks to be taken by BB. I had Solder and Vollmer right but wasn't even close on several other guys, lucky me I had Hernandez right and figured they would double up with Gronk or Pitta, again I was right in a sort of offhanded way because I had AH going before Gronk/Pitta little did I know that they valued Gronk a little higher than AH. I also thought for sure the Eric Decker was headed here instead of Taylor Price and I'm probably right because i think Josh McD caught wind of what BB was planning and he traded up to a couple of spots before the Pats pick at 89. I had an inkling that TB was going to be taken, only because Bill Walsh was bragging that he would be taking a local boy if he got the chance so I read between the lines and the only local boy coming out worth a crap was TB. I didn't see Mayo,Wilfork, Jones, and Hightower. Though I liked them I didn't see the ancillary moves necessary to make all those selections.I am no more than an ametuer GM. That's why I come here to read your thoughts as to where we might be leaning. MB,PatsEng, SeattlePat,JJdBrasil and all of you guys who sit and follow these guys you might be qualified as scouts, but I'm not. I enjoy the guessing game aspect of trying to read BB's tea leaves. So the I've made a few observations on this years drafting prospects, I am going to have to hear some of the language when BB talks to get a better perspective of where he's headed draft wise. Also just so you all know I'm going to keep this thread on the front page where it belongs. Even if I have to blog a diatribe like this every once in awhile.. You all are very informative.Thanks

     
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    Small school Starr ready to shine at NFL scouting combine

    February 13, 2014 9:29 am ET

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    One scout's praise for Tyler Starr: 'Extremely athletic and plays with a high motor.' (University of South Dakota)One scout's praise for Tyler Starr: 'Extremely athletic and plays with a high motor.' (Univ. of So. Dakota)

    Just how small is the hometown of rising NFL prospect Tyler Starr?

    "I think I can name everybody and the street they live on in town," said the University of South Dakota linebacker.

    For the record, the population in Starr's hometown is 459. But the Missouri Valley Conference Player of the Year has put Little Rock, Iowa, on the NFL scouting map. An impressive showing last month at the East-West Shrine Game helped get the 6-foot-4¼, 250-pound linebacker a spot at next week's NFL combine in Indianapolis.

    "I like him a lot," said one NFL scout. "He's tall, long and extremely athletic and plays with a high motor. I'd heard some chatter about him this fall and went to see him, and he's way more athletic than I thought he'd be. You still wonder if he has enough power and strength at the point of attack right now to be an every-down guy, but he really has a knack for rushing the passer and he has some real third-down value."

    2014 Draft Prospect Rankings: Tyler Starr No. 23 among OLBs

    Word is, Starr should turn heads at the combine, not just for the long blonde hair that he hasn't cut since his freshman year at USD. Starr says he hass clocked a three-cone drill time of 6.29 in his training sessions in Tennessee. For comparison's sake, the fastest time in Indy last year was 6.52 by cornerback Will Davis from Utah. Oregon WR Jeff Maehl clocked a 6.42 in 2011, which the NFL considers its recent best. The fastest time by a linebacker last year was 6.71 by Mizzou's Zavier Gooden.

    "I think I can blow that drill out of the water," Starr told CBSSports.com on Tuesday night. Even if he's anywhere near that mark, his stock should continue to rise.

    "Tyler's mobility for his size is unbelievable," said Scott Reall at D1 Sports Training in Tennessee, who has worked with Starr the past two months. "Once I've been able to teach him proper technique and steps, he's been brushing all-time records in the [three-cone] L-drill. His ability to explode off a change of direction and not lose a lot of time is remarkable. He is just so explosive. The first time everybody saw it here, people were like 'Holy crap!'"

    Reall, who is also training more than a dozen other football players including guys from the SEC and Big Ten, says Starr's 6.29 time is legit.

    "I timed it myself twice, and also had another coach time it and he hit the same number."

    There had been some concerns about whether Starr's shoulders are 100 percent healthy, but Reall says that talk is overblown. "He's got full range of motion and when people see him bench 225 [pounds] 25 to 30 times, they'll know."

    It's a pretty amazing ride for a player who said he didn't have any direction coming out of high school as a self-described bad student. Starr's range and athleticism as a 6-4, 195-pound high school junior drew some interest from Iowa State after he attended a Cyclones camp, but his grades turned the ISU staff off.

    "I didn't really have the core GPA," Starr says. "USD was the only 1-AA that put effort in getting me into school."

    That effort and the school's patience had paid off. After two years at USD, where he had more struggles academically early on, Starr had a breakout season in 2011 with 14 sacks. He started the year with a bang, making seven tackles, a sack and forcing three fumbles in the opener against Air Force. So, what changed for him? Well, everything.

    In May 2011, Starr became a dad. His son Hunter was born. All of a sudden, he felt a powerful sense of responsibility and purpose.

    "It was like a 180-degree turn," he said. "Everything I did was so selfish before. Now, it's about being a role model for my son and for my family. Every decision that I make will reflect that because of this blessing that came into my life."

    After the Shrine game, he also proposed to his now-fiancee.

    Starr knows there is skepticism from some since he didn't play at the FBS level, but he has been impressive when he has played against 1-A opponents. In addition to his showing against Air Force, Starr was all over the field in 2012 against Northwestern, when he made 11 tackles, a sack and a TFL. This season against Kansas, Starr had two sacks, a QB hurry, a forced fumble and broke up a pass.

    Starr, who likes to pattern his game after the pass-rush styles of DeMarcus Ware and Aldon Smith as well as the effort level of Ray Lewis and J.J. Watt, says his confidence has grown after his week at the East-West Shrine Game.

    "I knew that there was a doubt factor with some people about whether I could play at that level, so I wanted to show everyone," Starr said. Better still, Starr says was the opportunity to visit children in the hospital in Florida.

    "It was such an amazing experience," Starr said. "The kids were having so much fun with us. It brought so much to them. We were like superheroes to them. And to know how they go through all the struggles they have and still be upbeat, it gave me so much perspective. I'd get upset thinking about the things that used to upset me. It was eye-opening."

    Now it's Starr's chance to open people's eyes.

    by Bruce Feldman, CBS Sports

     

     
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    I don't ever expect any of my picks to be taken by BB. I had Solder and Vollmer right but wasn't even close on several other guys, lucky me I had Hernandez right and figured they would double up with Gronk or Pitta, again I was right in a sort of offhanded way because I had AH going before Gronk/Pitta little did I know that they valued Gronk a little higher than AH. I also thought for sure the Eric Decker was headed here instead of Taylor Price and I'm probably right because i think Josh McD caught wind of what BB was planning and he traded up to a couple of spots before the Pats pick at 89. I had an inkling that TB was going to be taken, only because Bill Walsh was bragging that he would be taking a local boy if he got the chance so I read between the lines and the only local boy coming out worth a crap was TB. I didn't see Mayo,Wilfork, Jones, and Hightower. Though I liked them I didn't see the ancillary moves necessary to make all those selections.I am no more than an ametuer GM. That's why I come here to read your thoughts as to where we might be leaning. MB,PatsEng, SeattlePat,JJdBrasil and all of you guys who sit and follow these guys you might be qualified as scouts, but I'm not. I enjoy the guessing game aspect of trying to read BB's tea leaves. So the I've made a few observations on this years drafting prospects, I am going to have to hear some of the language when BB talks to get a better perspective of where he's headed draft wise. Also just so you all know I'm going to keep this thread on the front page where it belongs. Even if I have to blog a diatribe like this every once in awhile.. You all are very informative.Thanks

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    I will never be a scout.  I do not have enough experience in football.  However, I like researching and reading about players, football and try to make the fit.  Anyone can come on this thread (because MB sets the example) and comment.  I find it extremely important to hear other opinions, because unlike other threads and their posters, this thread values opinion and doesn't have "know it alls".  I mentioned this before, I am lucky if I get 1 player that NE drafts.  I like the process of the search, plain and simple.  I also see myself as trying to provide the thread with information so anyone can come on and read something useful.

     

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