***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    Why not Amaro if available? Play him purely as a slot receiver. Redefine the position. Imagine playing Gronk at TE and Amaro at slot. The slot creates a different type of mismatch, but still a huge mismatch. Against some teams, that would be unstoppable. Against others, you just play more conventional with Edelman and Amendola.

    OL, DT and DE, not necessarily in that order in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds.

    Maybe a a back up TE in the 6th.

    Crazy I know, but I've seen crazier.

     

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    Its a good thought but dang we already have alot vested in DA playing the slot role and hopefully BB can extend Edelman too. then we have two 'slot WRs' who can play outside. the problem with Amaro to me is he didnt line up on the line much at all in college. I would want a guy like Troy Niklas who can be taught the slot and has the ability to do so but can also be the tough TE as well. he or ASJ fit that role. amaro seems too one demensional to me but then again i guess you could make him bulk up and play on the line too

     
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    Why not Amaro if available? Play him purely as a slot receiver. Redefine the position. Imagine playing Gronk at TE and Amaro at slot. The slot creates a different type of mismatch, but still a huge mismatch. Against some teams, that would be unstoppable. Against others, you just play more conventional with Edelman and Amendola.

    OL, DT and DE, not necessarily in that order in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds.

    Maybe a a back up TE in the 6th.

    Crazy I know, but I've seen crazier.

     

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    Its a good thought but dang we already have alot vested in DA playing the slot role and hopefully BB can extend Edelman too. then we have two 'slot WRs' who can play outside. the problem with Amaro to me is he didnt line up on the line much at all in college. I would want a guy like Troy Niklas who can be taught the slot and has the ability to do so but can also be the tough TE as well. he or ASJ fit that role. amaro seems too one demensional to me but then again i guess you could make him bulk up and play on the line too

    [/QUOTE]We are all forgetting T.J. Moe and Boyce those guys will be back in the mix next season, as will Gronk! We are just looking for an improvement in the depth of the roster, we lost Cierre Wood and signed his running mate Gray, but at RB we still have Quentin Hines waiting to return also...I really do believe that BB is one of the best prepared HC/GM/President of Football operations I've ever seen!!!!!!!


     
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    Though I really think that TE is the preminant position of need, that doesn't mean that BB will agree. If the Fork isn't healthy by the OTA's then DT would jump ahead of the TE need, same could be said for Oline should both Wendell and Connolly leave via free agency, then Oline would become a position of need before TE also! Either way it goes, I would love to see the Patriots garner one of the top tier TE's just in case Gronk isn't ready. The Patriots do have a small stash of Olinemen and Dlinemen, the only question is their readiness.

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    That's the fun of it, we never really know what BB will do... we can take an educated guess based on his track record, available talent and projected needs... but that just means he'll take a WR in Rd 1, haha.

    [/QUOTE] MB if he does lets hope he gets a guy who can play the hybrid TE/WR position, a couple of guys fit that bill. Coleman, Benjamin or maybe Evans.. All three of these guys are potential Hernandez replacements, because as good as Gronk is he needs those distraction guys like Edelman, and whoever at the small TE, as well as a deep threat to take all the pressure off of him.


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    Of that group, I don't think they'll have a shot at Evans... he's probably gone inside of the Top 20.  If they want Benjamin, they'll need to use their Rd 1 pick on him, or maybe read the board and trade back a bit as I don't see him making it out of the Top 40 or so... realistically, think he's a Rd 1 lock, just too much size and upside... Coleman can probably be had at some point on Day 2.

     
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    Why not Amaro if available? Play him purely as a slot receiver. Redefine the position. Imagine playing Gronk at TE and Amaro at slot. The slot creates a different type of mismatch, but still a huge mismatch. Against some teams, that would be unstoppable. Against others, you just play more conventional with Edelman and Amendola.

    OL, DT and DE, not necessarily in that order in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds.

    Maybe a a back up TE in the 6th.

    Crazy I know, but I've seen crazier.

     

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    Its a good thought but dang we already have alot vested in DA playing the slot role and hopefully BB can extend Edelman too. then we have two 'slot WRs' who can play outside. the problem with Amaro to me is he didnt line up on the line much at all in college. I would want a guy like Troy Niklas who can be taught the slot and has the ability to do so but can also be the tough TE as well. he or ASJ fit that role. amaro seems too one demensional to me but then again i guess you could make him bulk up and play on the line too

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    Niklas has operated out of the slot in ND's offense, athletic kid... started his career at ND as a LB.

    Amaro has plenty of size to play inline and he's a physical/aggressive while blocking in space, so I think the size/skill/upside is there for him inline, though his current ability there is still ?.

     
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    Really liked the 2012 tape of Pitt S Jason Hendricks (6-0 190).  Strong, wiry build... good awarenes/read react... consistently around or making plays on the football in the air... takes good angles to the football, plays under control... is physical and one of the most secure tacklers that I've seen on tape this year... solid wrap technique.  He also has a ton of quality experience having seen the field since he walked on campus.

    He was also good vs. my Irish in 2013... anybody else have any feedback on him?

    Looks like a solid mid round S option.

     
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    FSU RB Devonte Freeman is expected to declare for the draft:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/seminoles/os-fsu-devonta-freeman-declare-nfl-draft-20140111,0,6685283.post

     
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    From  NFLRoughdraft http://www.nflroughdraft.com/node/193

     

    Ten Interesting Draft Prospects

    1.       Marcus Smith, DE/OLB, Louisville

    Coming out of high school Smith was rated by Rivals.com as a 3 star quarterback prospect but when he got to Louisville it became apparent rather quickly that he was not going to stick at quarterback. The team decided to move him to the other side of the ball and  he hasn’t looked back. Smith finished the 2013 season with 14.5 sacks including 2 against Miami (FL) in the Russell Athletic Bowl. Smith finished his college career 24 sacks and 33 tackles for a loss. Smith has a huge upside and might be best standing up in the 3-4. With a good Combine and Senior Bowl, Smith could really help his stock and end up being a first round pick in a draft that has plenty of quality pass rushers.

    Prediction: 1st Round

    NFL Comparison: Anthony Spencer (Dallas)

     

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    Looks like Smith is finally receiving the credit he is due!  Kid has looked like a stud on tape... an athletic edge rush terror that can play in space.  

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    I don't like that. Unfortunately, his stock is just going to head up. I believe he will shine in the combine.

     
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    I don't like that. Unfortunately, his stock is just going to head up. I believe he will shine in the combine.

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    yeah these kind of guys are the worst... they gain steam rapidly as draft day approaches and he could fall real early kind of screwing our chances of him falling a little and getting a 'steal'

     
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    MB - sorry if you have already commented, but what is your take on Vic Beasley? He is a bit small for typical BB tastes, however, he could fill that speed role. 

    Listed at 6-3, 225 -

     

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    Athletic and explosive off the edge... looked like a terror in the snaps I saw vs. OSU... I've seen mentions of Bruce Irvin and I think that's an accurate comp as he projects as an undersized edge rush specialist early on.

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    I did not realize he was that light. On top of the speed, he also uses his arms (which look disporportionately long) pretty well when shedding off blocks. He'll probably weigh in at 235 during the combine. We'll see if he can still show impressive explosiveness.

     
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    Below are my Top 3 player options in each round, based on where NE is projected to pick.  I’ve tried to include only players that I feel will be available when they’re on the clock, though we all know that BB/NC will be moving up and down the draft board.

    Rd 1:

    OG Zack Martin- ND- Like I’ve said many times, I think he might be the most consistent and dependable player in this draft… seldom makes mistakes, shuts out whoever is across from him and plays the game with good technique, feet and physicality.  He’s a perfect player for NE’s system and could be Matt Light or a Pro Bowl OG.

    DT Ra’shede Hageman- Minnesota- I’m starting to warm up to this idea and am viewing him as an upside pick, much like Solder ended up being.  Kid is not without flaws, but I think the size/length/upside could be too much for BB/NC to pass up and think Pepper could do a good job of coaching this kid up.

    TE Troy Niklas- ND- Huge (6-7 260), athletic TE prospect that shows good ability as a blocker both inline and in space… he’s also a versatile offensive weapon that will cause matchup problems in the slot and down in the redzone.

    My guess is of the three, Niklas will be the only one available at #32 (feeling bullish this morning).

    I anticipate Martin and Hageman to shine at the combine. As for Hageman, perhaps not on the bench press, but certainly on the sprints and the drills. He could have a Poe-like combine. That would shoot him up the draft.

    Rd 2:

    DT Daquan Jones- PSU- If BB passes on a DT in Rd 1, I fully expect him to come out of Rd 2 with a new side of beef!  Jones is a big (6-3 318), powerful, athletic kid with upside and versatility that will fit in very well in NE’s rotation… he can 2-gap and penetrate and plays with a consistent motor.

    DE/OLB- Marcus Smith- Lousiville- He’s an explosive, athletic, versatile high-effort edge player with a ton of upside (moved to D in 2010).  I think he might/should get Rd 1 consideration before all is said and done.  He might be the best player that people aren’t talking about.  

    ILB Shayne Skov- Stanford- A tough, intelligent, aggressive ILB prospect with good stack/shed and blitz ability and skill set to consistently make plays at or behind the LOS.  If Spikes isn’t retained, he’d be an excellent candidate to replace him.

    Smith is my favorite here. Next is Skov. With Spikes likely gone, it would be good to reload at LB. Jones, I am mixed. He's a very solid player -- good to put in rotation with VW, Kelly and Siliga, just not exciting. 

    Rd 3:

    TE Arthur Lynch- Georgia- Perfect spot for a TE with both inline and pass catching abilities.

    TE CJ Fiedorowicz- Iowa- See comments above.

    WR Jared Abbrederis- Wisconsin- Kid is a good value here due to the depth in this class.  He’s a very good route runner with good body control and the ability to create.  Fits in very well with what NE likes to do on offense.

    Abbrederis is my favorite player here, but perhaps not my favorite pick for this round. He's a very skilled, versatile WR. It's just that the Pats, have so many WR next year, and I don't see how he brings anything radically different from the guys that the Pats already have. He may have better hands, or something, but the incremental value is not much.

    On the TE side, I like Lynch more than CJF, just ebcause I think he plugs in more readily given how the Pats uses its TEs.

     

    That said, I would not feel the urge to complain if any of these players were picked here. 

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    We are all forgetting T.J. Moe and Boyce those guys will be back in the mix next season, as will Gronk! We are just looking for an improvement in the depth of the roster, we lost Cierre Wood and signed his running mate Gray, but at RB we still have Quentin Hines waiting to return also...I really do believe that BB is one of the best prepared HC/GM/President of Football operations I've ever seen!!!!!!!


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    Everyone likes Gronk; but at this point, with so many surgeries on different parts of his body, I think it would wiser for NEP to just plan on the assumption that he will not come back the same or will be out for a big chunk of the season. If he's available then great. That's bonus.

    To me, Amandola is the same thing -- cannot be depended on to be available over long stretches in the season. JE will ably hold the fort in those cases.

    By the way, did any of you notice that DA also went to TT and on his last year had very similar numbers as Amaro's. If only he can stay healthy.

     

     
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    There's absolutely no way BB keeps our 1st round pick.  This draft has more underclassmen than ever before, making it one of the deepest.

    I wouldn't doubt it if he traded our 1st for a 2 & 3.

     
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    There's absolutely no way BB keeps our 1st round pick.  This draft has more underclassmen than ever before, making it one of the deepest.

    I wouldn't doubt it if he traded our 1st for a 2 & 3.

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    I agree. However, I hope he opts for a 2015 1st and a 2014 3rd or 4th (whatever additional pick evens out the transaction).

     
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    It looks like LB is not a position of need anymore.

     
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    It looks like LB is not a position of need anymore.

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    Maybe not in the early rounds, but Fletcher is also a FA after the season, so they may been to look for some depth.

     
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    There's absolutely no way BB keeps our 1st round pick.  This draft has more underclassmen than ever before, making it one of the deepest.

    I wouldn't doubt it if he traded our 1st for a 2 & 3.

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    BB will always be looking to move up and down the draft board to get the best value possible, and/or acquire more draft assets.

     
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    Below is my updated Big 53 Draft Board:

    Rd 1 (6)

    TE- Troy Niklas- ND *Added 1/12/14*

    OT/OG- Zack Martin- ND

    DT- Ra'shede Hageman- Minnesota

    DE/OLB- Trent Murphy- Stanford

    DE/OLB- Marcus Smith *Added 1/5/14*

    WR- Allen Robinson- PSU *Added 1/1/14*

     

    Rd 1-2 (5)

    WR/TE- Kelvin Benjamin- FSU *Added 12/11/13*

    DT- Timmy Jernigan- FSU

    CB/S- Kyle Fuller- VT

    OLB- Kyle Van Noy- BYU

    WR- Brandin Cooks- *Added 1/1/14*

     

    Rd 2 (13)

    DT- DaQuan Jones- PSU

    DT- Kelcy Quarles- South Carolina

    DT- Ego Ferguson- LSU

    ILB- Shayne Skov- Stanford

    CB/S- Lamarcus Joyner- FSU *Added 12/20/13*

    WR- Jarvis Landry- *Added 12/7/13*

    CB- Bradley Roby- OSU

    LB- Telvin Smith- *Added 12/20/13*

    DE/OLB- Trevor Reilly- *Added 12/29/13*

    LB- Adrian Hubbard- Alabama *Added 12/11/13*

    OG- Xavier Su’a-Filo- UCLA * Added 12/7/13*

    S- Deone Bucannon- WSU

    TE- Austin Seferian-Jenkins- *Added 12/20/13*

     

    Rd 2-3 (3)

    QB- AJ McCarron- Alabama

    ILB- Yawin Smallwood- Uconn

    CB- EJ Gaines- Missouri

     

    Rd 3 (10)

    S- Antone Exum- VT

    TE- CJ Fiedorowicz- Iowa

    TE- Arthur Lynch- Georgia

    WR- Jared Abbrederis- Wisconsin

    ILB- Chris Borland- Wisconsin

    C/OG- Weston Richburg- Colorado State

    OG- Anthony Steen- Alabama

    DT- Ed Stinson- Alabama

    TE- Marcel Jensen- Fresno State

    C/OG- Bryan Stork- FSU *Added 12/11/13*

     

    Rd 4-7 (16)

    DT- Brent Urban Virginia- *Added 12/30/13*

    DL/OLB- Taylor Hart- Oregon- *Added back 1/7/14*

    ILB- Max Bullough- Michigan State

    QB- Aaron Murray- Georgia

    S- Isaiah Lewis- Michigan State

    S- Jason Hendricks- Pitt *Added 1/11/14*

    DT- Ryan Carrethers- Arkansas St *Added 12/22/13*

    QB- Bryn Renner- UNC

    RB- Tyler Gaffney- Stanford

    QB- Keith Wenning- Ball State *Added 12/29/13*

    TE- Rob Blanchflower- Umass *Added 1/1/14*

    ILB- Glenn Carson- PSU

    S- Shamiel Gary- Oklahoma State

    DT- Beau Allen- Wisconsin

    RB- Alfred Blue- LSU

     

    CB- BJ Lowery- Iowa

     
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    MB, watched Gaffney all year at Stanford and was a big fan, but he completely disappeared in the Rose Bowl against strong MSU D.  I'm not sure how "big" he is physically or if he can run against bigger, faster pro D's???

     
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    maybe someone has already asked this, but how does every team whiff last year on drafting that RB Robinson of the Saints. I mean the millions teams spend on scouting how do you completely miss on someone with such obvious talent. Did anyone on this board last year mention this kid?

     
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    MB, watched Gaffney all year at Stanford and was a big fan, but he completely disappeared in the Rose Bowl against strong MSU D.  I'm not sure how "big" he is physically or if he can run against bigger, faster pro D's???



    He was still able to grind out 94 yards and a TD vs. MSU, but they make most offenses look horrible (3rd nationally in Scoring D, 2nd in Total D).  He's prob 6-1 or so, 220+ pounds an can really grind between the tackles.  He's also an athletic kid that play a year of minor league baseball.  He also has relatively low treadwear on his tires.

     
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    maybe someone has already asked this, but how does every team whiff last year on drafting that RB Robinson of the Saints. I mean the millions teams spend on scouting how do you completely miss on someone with such obvious talent. Did anyone on this board last year mention this kid?

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    Coming from a DII school didn't help him, but he's definitely flashed some ability/power when given the chance.  We'll see if he can build on his success next season.

     
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    my draft thoughts, for better or worse. I am not a trade down guy. Pats lucked out big time scoring Jamie Collins, but with Tom Brady and BB we're going to field a playoff team every year. The key is to get the "difference maker" as Collins was last nght.

    You need multiple picks to trade up. That is why I am going to be lobbying everyday till draft day for a trade with the Browns where we send them Mallett, Ridley, Cannon and another small piece for their 2nd and 3rd tound picks. Cannon is the only one I waver on, but he hasn't shown he can play guard and if Vollmer comes back you can find a vet FA tackle to back up. But with four picks in the top 64 you have OPTIONS.

    With the Pats 1st pick you can make the arguement for S, DT, OG and TE. It all depends on what value is there.

    At TE it is possible all three prime TE's will be gone - Ebron, Amaro and S-J. The latter two couuld drop but I'd rather shoot for one of em with the Brown's second pick. There is value at TE later in the draft and I'd love to get the UMass kid with our 4th round pick.

    At DT I seriously doubt either Nix or Hageman falls to 30-32 and I don't really consider either worthy of trading up for. I don't see a value pick at DT unless either Timmy Jernigan were there at Pat's 3rd rounder or the Pats really like DeQuon Jones with their 2nd or the Browns 3d. Amazingly enough, DT might just be a pass if the Pats are confident in Vince and TKelly returning and having C Jones, Siliga, Vellano and Armstead as two deep.

    At DE it seems to depend on how confident the Pats are with Buchanan's developement. Jake Bequette seems like he is going to be a wash which is really disappointing. I like Trent Murphy and if he were there with either Pats 1st or Browns 2nd I would take him. He could be a Mike Vrabel type player.

    At OG there should be some serious value at Pats 1st or Browns 2nd. I really want ND's Martin but would be okay with Stanford's Yankey or Ark's Swanson to play center. I've seen some mocks where Swanson slides to the end of 2nd where he'd be a great value pick.

    At S I'd love to see Pryor be available at end of the 2nd but he seems to be a riser. I really see Safety as Pat's #1 need but unless you trade up for Ha-Ha (and I don't think he is worth it) I just don't see the value at either top pick. Pryor with Pat's 2nd remains my dream. Down below I like the Western Kentucky kid Dowling.

    So you know what is going to happen. BB will twist my colon again and draft WR Robinson from Penn State with Pat's #1. I could live with it.

    So my dream draft after my dream trade with Browns...

    1. Allen Robinson WR

    2 (Browns) Zack Martin OG

    2. Calvin Pryor S

    3. (Browns) Travis Swanson C

    3. DeQuon Jones DT

    4 Rob Blanchflower TE

    yeah, everyone wants one of the three stud TE's but I see Gronk and HooMan being back and Blanchflower maybe being a gem and possibly a free agent vet in-line guy signing. If Edleman is back as he has to be, we've got enough slot guys.

    So that's it for me. CALL THE FREAKIN BROWNS. OR THE VIKES. JUST CALL PLEASE. I WANT MULTIPLE PICKS. GOOD ONES. BRADY AIN'T GETTING YOUNGER.

     
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    oh yeah, my whole thing is obviously based on Talib being back or Pats signing another top FA CB.

     
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    my draft thoughts, for better or worse. I am not a trade down guy. Pats lucked out big time scoring Jamie Collins, but with Tom Brady and BB we're going to field a playoff team every year. The key is to get the "difference maker" as Collins was last nght.

    You need multiple picks to trade up. That is why I am going to be lobbying everyday till draft day for a trade with the Browns where we send them Mallett, Ridley, Cannon and another small piece for their 2nd and 3rd tound picks. Cannon is the only one I waver on, but he hasn't shown he can play guard and if Vollmer comes back you can find a vet FA tackle to back up. But with four picks in the top 64 you have OPTIONS.

    With the Pats 1st pick you can make the arguement for S, DT, OG and TE. It all depends on what value is there.

    At TE it is possible all three prime TE's will be gone - Ebron, Amaro and S-J. The latter two couuld drop but I'd rather shoot for one of em with the Brown's second pick. There is value at TE later in the draft and I'd love to get the UMass kid with our 4th round pick.

    At DT I seriously doubt either Nix or Hageman falls to 30-32 and I don't really consider either worthy of trading up for. I don't see a value pick at DT unless either Timmy Jernigan were there at Pat's 3rd rounder or the Pats really like DeQuon Jones with their 2nd or the Browns 3d. Amazingly enough, DR might just be a pass if the Pats are confident in Vince and TKelly returning and having C Jones, Siliga, Vellano and Armstead as two deep.

    At DE it seems to depend on how confident the Pats are with Buchanan's deveelopement. Jake Bequette seems like he is going to be a wash which is really disappointing. I like Trent Murphy and if he were there with either Pats 1st or Browns 2nd I would take him. He could be a Mike Vrabel type player.

    At OG there should be some serious value at Pats 1st or Browns 2nd. I really want ND's Martin but would be okay with Stanford's Yankey or Ark's Swanson to play center. I've seen some mocks where Swanson slides to the end of 2nd where he'd be a great value pick.

    At S I'd love to see Pryor be available at end of the 2nd but he seems to be a riser. I really see Safety as Pat's #1 need but unless you trade up for Ha-Ha (and I don't think he is worth it) I just don't see the value at either top pick. Pryor with Pat's 2nd remains my dream. Down below I like the Western Kentucky kid Dowling.

    So you know what is going to happen. BB will twist my colon again and draft WR Robinson from Penn State with Pat's #1. I could live with it.

    So my dream draft after my dream trade with Browns...

    1. Allen Robinson WR

    2 (Browns) Zack Martin OG

    2. Calvin Pryor S

    3. (Browns) Travis Swanson C

    3. DeQuon Jones DT

    4 Rob Blanchflower TE

    yeah, everyone wants one of the three stud TE's but I see Gronk and HooMan being back and Blanchflower maybe being a gem and possibly a free agent vet in-line guy signing. If Edleman is back as he has to be, we've got enough slot guys.

    So that's it for me. CALL THE FREAKIN BROWNS. OR THE VIKES. JUST CALL PLEASE. I WANT MULTIPLE PICKS. GOOD ONES. BRADY AIN'T GETTING YOUNGER.



    I'm not sure I'd be willing to give up (2) potential starters (Ridley/Cannon) and others for (2) Day 2 picks... don't see the value, but I'll play along.

    If BB/NC can come away with the haul that you've listed, it'd be a homerun, IMO.

    One name to keep any eye on is ND TE Troy Niklas, who just declared this week.  Kid is huge (6-7 265), athletic and might be the best blocking TE in the draft.  I have him a the top of my board right now and would take him over AS-J every day of the week.

    Also, I do agree that OLB/DE depth could be something that they'll address and Trent Murphy is an intriguing kid with length, toughness and pass-rush ability.  Also, give Lousiville's Marcus Smith a look... kid really pops on tape with is athleticism and ability to create off the edge.

     
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    Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

    Hey MB, I saw one mock that I respect that had Niklas going in the 7th round.  Any chance he is being overrated?

    The Vikes and Browns are going to have interesting choices with their 1st. Bortles and Bridgewater are going to be gone. Both teams obviously need QB's. The question with Manziel is if he can be another Brees or Russell Wilson. I'm betting against him. And Carr is just another Blake Gilbert, Jake Locker type. He'll get swallowed up playing on a bad team.

    And hey, I am not sure that Bill O'Brien with the Texans might not have some faith in Mallett and trade his 2nd and 3rd, draft Clowney and sign...whoops, there's crap out there for free agent QB's. Vick is listed as the best. But damn, if you are O'Brien and you have 3-4 years to win would you rather have Bridgewater and say Stephen Truitt or Mallett and Clowney...and maybe figure out another trade with Redskins for Cousins to compete with Mallett.

    But I will say this till I am blue in the face but with Brady and BB the Pats have maybe a 4-5 year window to win a couple more Super Bowls. And you need difference makers to win in the playoffs. Who woulda thunk a year ago that Blount and Jamie Collins would be our difference makers? How freakin mind boggling is that. But I want at least 2 or 3 more and we need multiple picks to get em. Trade trade trade is my motto.

    Honestly, I love my Pats, but I still can't see em winning it this year with Gregory at safety and two undrafted rookies at DT. You never want to write BB or Brady out but I still see the Pats D as having too many holes.

     

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