A little help from my friends....

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    A little help from my friends....

    Let's work off the premise that both Gronk and Armstead start the season on PUP and are out the first 6 weeks.

    I figure these are the most talked about players battling for final spots. Keeping in mind the starting premise.

     

    RB

    Washington, Devlin, Boldin

    ST/Other role

    Cole, Rivera, Beauharnis, Tarpinian, Ebner

    OL

    Zusivics, Kline

    QB

    Timmy T

    DL

    Cunningham, Bequette, Buchanon, Grissom, (Not on the team currently)

    TE

    Fells

     

    I am guessing maybe 5/6 of them could make it.

    Who would you keep?

    ...and why?

    (use age, versatility, contract/money, practice squad eligibility, character/leadership, added depth because of concerns over another players injury or previous character history, etc,  to support your decisions)

     

     
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    Re: A little help from my friends....

    Keep:  

    RB

    Washington, Boldin

    ST/Other role

    Beauharnis, Ebner

    QB

    Timmy T

    DL

    Buchanon

    TE

    Fells

     

    I have always liked Cunningham but I don't see him making the 53.

     

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    Re: A little help from my friends....

    Washington definately sticks, he will be a much needed boost returning Kicks and will be an insurance policy for Vareen.

    Devlin is interseting, if yoy asked me 2 weeks ago I would have said no way but now he seems to be getting quality reps and making the most of those reps.

    IMO Boldin gets cut I don't think they can carry Blount and Boldin and Blount has produced when used.

    Cole will be the last corner and play a big role on ST's.

    Rivera gets cut even though he would be a pretty good special teams player. I don't know if he has PS eligibility but if he does he should be a candidate.

    Beauharnis should be a candidate for the PS.

    Buchanan is on in my mind right now. He can only play himself off the team in the last 2 games.

    TT- no, no and please no.

     

    Tarpinian will most likely get squuezed out and put on speed dial like last year.

    Ebner makes it for ST's play. IMO I think the PAt's still view him as a player could develop into a quality safety. This could be a make or break year for him.

    Zusevics makes it due to his versatility being able to play tackle/guard. He has had an uneven camp but the indications are from most of the guys covering the team that he makes it.

    Kline has shown some flashes in camp and games but I see him on the PS this year.

    Cunningham- the clock has struck 12. He is done unless they IR him but I don't think so.

    Bequette is another candidate for IR. Gives him another developmental year.

    Grissom is interesting... I think because of the lack of interior DL depth he might just make it.

    Fells makes it if Gronk is PUPed.

     

     

     
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    Re: A little help from my friends....

    So here are some of my current opinions on a potential 53-man that I would like to see. More a like to see than a guess on what BB will do. It is an obvious totally unfounded list because I have seen NO traning camp practices, the first preseason game, and parts of the 2nd.

    QB (2)

    Brady, Mallet

    > While I believe TT will probably make it, I just would not use a roster spot for him on this particular team, this season. The patriots being victims of their own success through the years just do not have the crazy great depth they used to and the roster spot is too valuable.

    RB (5)

    Ridley, Vereen, Blount, Boldin, Washington

    > For me this is a difficult spot. I do not know what the philospohy is this year with the offense in regards to having a lead back. I know the Pats played Devlin last game and he did fine but they have not gone that route in a while. On top of that they have successfully used and athletic lineman, a TE, and another RB (Boldin for example) at times to do that role on a situational basis. It also bothers me that they would need to keep Washington around stricly because they can not find a kick off returner. Some would say oh he's Vereens backup and might be viewed that way but to my eyes Boldin could back him up jast as well in my view. Boldin on the other hand seems to be in that same Edelman half dog house. A guy who seems to do well but they don't really use. That's the problem with not being able to see what really goes on day in and day out behind the scenes with these guys.

    TE (3)

    Ballard, Sudfeld, Hooman

    > I would PUP Gronk. Ballard seems to be this years Kyle Brady. Sudfeld seems to be the next best pass catching potential after gronk, height, wingspan, etc. Hooman over Fells for no other reason than that has just been the way it has gone. I have seen nothing so far that would indicate a flip flop. Both Hooman and Fells have prior and current experience with McD yet it seems they have always gone to Hooman first despite all the perceived talk of Fells blocking prowess, etc. Hooman has also been the one they go to smetimes to use as a fullback. Have they used Fells in that role? How did each of them do in the 2nd game?

    WR (6)

    Amendola, Edeleman, Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce, Slater

    > Same six as just about everyone else. Does Kamar Aiken still have PS eligibility? I assume they PUP, IR, or try and PS Harrison.

    OL (8)

    Solder, Mankins, Wendell, Connolly, Vollmer, Cannon, Svitek, (Zusevics/Kline)

    > Not sure what the health is of Zusevics. Seems that final spot would come down to those two with hopes of PS the other. This is strictly from reading from everyone else. I have not paid close enough attention to either in the preseason to have an opinion. SOme have mentioned Kline because he can backup Wendell but they could just move Connolly over and and plug in a right guard just as easily. True you would be changing two parts rather than one but I guess it depends on the drop off in play potential.

    DT (4)

    Wilfork, Kelly, Forston, Someone not on the rsoter currently

    >Armstead PUP. Grissom PS. All decisions really revolve around both what they think of Armstead as well as his health and timeline expectations.

    DE (6)

    Jones, Ninkovich, Francis, Benard, Cunningham, (Buchanon/Bequette)

    > This is one of the hardest positions as I don't think any of them are super diffferent, in play quality, from the others, after the starters. After the top 3, nothing but questions. Benard basically has barely played in 2 seasons prior to joining the Pats but he's seems to look decent. Cunningham flashed last year but when he did it was because he was putting something in his body that he should not have and has been in the tub so far this season. However he has gotten on the field in his time with the Pats. Both Buchanon and Bequette are young and have the "length" that BB so obviosly covets and is willing to try and develop. I could see any one of the last three getting cut or even two of the last four if they deemed a player not currently on their roster a better option.

    LB (6)

    Mayo, Spikes, Hightower, Collins, Fletcher, (Rivera/Beauharnais)

    > Rivera or Beauharnais hmmm. Both play special teams. Both good tacklers. Both looked decent to me. Rivera was the option last year but Beaharnis was not around. I personally have a liking for Beauharnis. However Beauharnais would have a potential to make the PS where I do not think Rivera still has PS eligibility. Not sure.

    DB (10)

    Talib, Dennard, Ras-I, Arrington, Ryan, McCourtey, A. Wilson, Gregory, Harmon, T. Wilson

    >Cole and Ebner are the two casualities here. From a far Ebner always seems to be around the ball when he got his chances, more times than not. Just doesn't see the opportunities really. I do not have the same disdain for Cole as many others seem to, just a numbers thing for me. Ras-I and his uncooperative body is the wild card.

    Specialists (3)

    Ghost, Mesko, Aiken

    > Mesko beats out Allen. Can see them trying to PS Allen. Ghost makes me feel like its an adventure when he goes out to kick lately but I am sure he'll be fine. BB rarely goes for any long kicks outside of preseason it seems.

     

    Based on the things I have read from you guys it would seem the three battles in parenthesis, at this point, would go to... Kline, Buchanon, and Beauharnais.

     
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    Re: A little help from my friends....

    In response to russgriswold's comment:

    In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:

     

    Let's work off the premise that both Gronk and Armstead start the season on PUP and are out the first 6 weeks.

    I figure these are the most talked about players battling for final spots. Keeping in mind the starting premise.

     

    RB

    Washington, Devlin, Boldin

    ST/Other role

    Cole, Rivera, Beauharnis, Tarpinian, Ebner

    OL

    Zusivics, Kline

    QB

    Timmy T

    DL

    Cunningham, Bequette, Buchanon, Grissom, (Not on the team currently)

    TE

    Fells

     

    I am guessing maybe 5/6 of them could make it.

    Who would you keep?

    ...and why?

    (use age, versatility, contract/money, practice squad eligibility, character/leadership, added depth because of concerns over another players injury or previous character history, etc,  to support your decisions)

     

     




     

    I would keep Buchanan, Kline, Cole, Bolden and Cunningham.

    Reasons:

    1. Buchanan. Shown a lot.  Shoud have gone 3rd or 4th rd but off field incidents (fight and a DUI), dropped him. Clear talent. I also think he can play 3-4 OLB which is a plus. Athletic. Rangy.

    2. Kline. With Cannon battling whatever it is he is battling and Connolly also dinged up in camp, this kid won't make it on the PS. He's shown up too well and be very consistent. I am impressed. Tutor him for so Center work so he can be a back up there just like you did with McDonald. It may be Connolly's last season here. 

    3. Cole. Way too valuable on STs. Also, I think he's shown up real well. Obviously, not a starter, but a solid nickel and good on STs. Durable.  With Dowling a bust, it's clear to me Cole is the better option. I also think BB should only keep 5 CBs, because you get value with McCourty at CB if you have to use him there. Just bury Justin Green (not a bad camp so far) on the for CB.

    4. Bolden. What can I say, I am a fan.  Nice vision, good feel hitting the hole. He's a slithering type runner, with good frame and center of gravity. Helps on STs, very good blocker as an RB and very good receiver. Way too much upside to walk away, IMO. If Ridley gets hurt, he features a similar skill set, while no one else on the roster does.

    5. Cunnigham. I hesitated on this, but Bequette appears to be the bigger bust, so much in fact, they may be able to bury Bequette on a fake IR move or the PS and just wait it out one  more camp.  Cunningham would be a reserve at this point, but he did play DT last year, can play DE and has 3-4 OLB experience here. With that, I think that's enough to choose him over Bequette, assuming Cunningham is healthy.

    Beauharnais to PS.




    Stop the Presses! This has got to be a 1st!  I would agree about Buchanan. He looks like a football players and has shown some flashes. I would keep him around. wether that means redshirt/IR, practice squad or depth on active roster. He looks to have more potential than Bequette and Cunningham has maxed out. I would like Buchanan to take some of Ninks snaps at the DE at some point towards the middle of the year if he is on the team. Still could be cut though.

     
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    Re: A little help from my friends....

    In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:

    So here are some of my current opinions on a potential 53-man that I would like to see. More a like to see than a guess on what BB will do. It is an obvious totally unfounded list because I have seen NO traning camp practices, the first preseason game, and parts of the 2nd.

    QB (2)

    Brady, Mallet

    > While I believe TT will probably make it, I just would not use a roster spot for him on this particular team, this season. The patriots being victims of their own success through the years just do not have the crazy great depth they used to and the roster spot is too valuable.

    RB (5)

    Ridley, Vereen, Blount, Boldin, Washington

    > For me this is a difficult spot. I do not know what the philospohy is this year with the offense in regards to having a lead back. I know the Pats played Devlin last game and he did fine but they have not gone that route in a while. On top of that they have successfully used and athletic lineman, a TE, and another RB (Boldin for example) at times to do that role on a situational basis. It also bothers me that they would need to keep Washington around stricly because they can not find a kick off returner. Some would say oh he's Vereens backup and might be viewed that way but to my eyes Boldin could back him up jast as well in my view. Boldin on the other hand seems to be in that same Edelman half dog house. A guy who seems to do well but they don't really use. That's the problem with not being able to see what really goes on day in and day out behind the scenes with these guys.

    TE (3)

    Ballard, Sudfeld, Hooman

    > I would PUP Gronk. Ballard seems to be this years Kyle Brady. Sudfeld seems to be the next best pass catching potential after gronk, height, wingspan, etc. Hooman over Fells for no other reason than that has just been the way it has gone. I have seen nothing so far that would indicate a flip flop. Both Hooman and Fells have prior and current experience with McD yet it seems they have always gone to Hooman first despite all the perceived talk of Fells blocking prowess, etc. Hooman has also been the one they go to smetimes to use as a fullback. Have they used Fells in that role? How did each of them do in the 2nd game?

    WR (6)

    Amendola, Edeleman, Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce, Slater

    > Same six as just about everyone else. Does Kamar Aiken still have PS eligibility? I assume they PUP, IR, or try and PS Harrison.

    OL (8)

    Solder, Mankins, Wendell, Connolly, Vollmer, Cannon, Svitek, (Zusevics/Kline)

    > Not sure what the health is of Zusevics. Seems that final spot would come down to those two with hopes of PS the other. This is strictly from reading from everyone else. I have not paid close enough attention to either in the preseason to have an opinion. SOme have mentioned Kline because he can backup Wendell but they could just move Connolly over and and plug in a right guard just as easily. True you would be changing two parts rather than one but I guess it depends on the drop off in play potential.

    DT (4)

    Wilfork, Kelly, Forston, Someone not on the rsoter currently

    >Armstead PUP. Grissom PS. All decisions really revolve around both what they think of Armstead as well as his health and timeline expectations.

    DE (6)

    Jones, Ninkovich, Francis, Benard, Cunningham, (Buchanon/Bequette)

    > This is one of the hardest positions as I don't think any of them are super diffferent, in play quality, from the others, after the starters. After the top 3, nothing but questions. Benard basically has barely played in 2 seasons prior to joining the Pats but he's seems to look decent. Cunningham flashed last year but when he did it was because he was putting something in his body that he should not have and has been in the tub so far this season. However he has gotten on the field in his time with the Pats. Both Buchanon and Bequette are young and have the "length" that BB so obviosly covets and is willing to try and develop. I could see any one of the last three getting cut or even two of the last four if they deemed a player not currently on their roster a better option.

    LB (6)

    Mayo, Spikes, Hightower, Collins, Fletcher, (Rivera/Beauharnais)

    > Rivera or Beauharnais hmmm. Both play special teams. Both good tacklers. Both looked decent to me. Rivera was the option last year but Beaharnis was not around. I personally have a liking for Beauharnis. However Beauharnais would have a potential to make the PS where I do not think Rivera still has PS eligibility. Not sure.

    DB (10)

    Talib, Dennard, Ras-I, Arrington, Ryan, McCourtey, A. Wilson, Gregory, Harmon, T. Wilson

    >Cole and Ebner are the two casualities here. From a far Ebner always seems to be around the ball when he got his chances, more times than not. Just doesn't see the opportunities really. I do not have the same disdain for Cole as many others seem to, just a numbers thing for me. Ras-I and his uncooperative body is the wild card.

    Specialists (3)

    Ghost, Mesko, Aiken

    > Mesko beats out Allen. Can see them trying to PS Allen. Ghost makes me feel like its an adventure when he goes out to kick lately but I am sure he'll be fine. BB rarely goes for any long kicks outside of preseason it seems.

     

    Based on the things I have read from you guys it would seem the three battles in parenthesis, at this point, would go to... Kline, Buchanon, and Beauharnais.



    Agree 100% with your offense selections. I would add Kline to the OL list. This side of the ball,is pretty straightforward.

    On defense...

    dt...agree and agree bb will most likely bring in another wide body here based on camp cutdowns. It's a shame because I think we all were looking forward to seeing Armstead.

    de....I differ here a bit...I keep buchannon and cut Cunningham and bequette. As you say, Cunningham has maxed out, and I don't think he is a good 4-3 DT. If the pats went 4 man line, I would rather see Bernard or Francis line up inside over Cunningham. Given some of the flexibility we have with our lb's, we could also move Hightower at times to the end, and use Collins inside with Mayo and spikes. Our lb corps affords us some flexibility here we should capitalize on.

    lb's...agree on this,..given what I said above, I keep Stevie B on the active roster and send Rivera to speed dial. Fletcher has looked good in preseason and an admirable depth guy. I want an extra lb instead of additional de's in Cunningham and bequette. I would like to see bb use Hightower on line from time to time...At 270, he potentially could play in or out. Basically get mayo, Hightower, Collins, spikes on the field together as much as possible. 

    Db's...agree...I think we have to keep cole here especially given the always fluid nature of our db's. not a big fan of ebner. Good story, but I want Harmon getting his time. Harmon plays st As well. 

    St...agree...send Allen to ps. I think some team will grab him up. He is too good to be the ps but I think mesko has out performed him. 

     

     

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