Ok Killa. Here we go…………………….
As a side note, you can break up your posts if you put bracketsquotebrackets before and them bracketsslashquotebrackets after each section you want to q uote.
[QUOTE]You might hate the way Obama is handling it but the fact is if Bush didn’t f*ck everything up Obama wouldn’t have to do any of this.[/QUOTE]
Oh pleeeease: Rahm Emanuel said “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.” They were just looking for a way to spend your and my money. If you want to use Bush as the scapegoat for the Dems bankrupting the country, go ahead. You agree in the last post that the spending is not a good thing. Why can’t a president that is supposed to be so smart see what we all can see?
[QUOTE]If Bush had been good at his job instead of taking more vacation days then any other president in the history of our country then maybe Obama wouldn’t have had the opportunity to s crew up himself….For someone who loves Bush as much as you do what do you have to say about the fact that he took more vacation days then any other president in the history of our country? Or are you going to try and dispute that FACT as well?[/QUOTE]
You do understand that the president is never really on vacation don’t you?
[QUOTE]"McCain's support is reinforcement of my belief that he is a RINO. I voted for him as the lesser of two evils. So c rap on him all you want." You are missing the point, McCain who is a Rhino by the way lol was not the only republican to put their stamp on the bailouts. It was a complete joint effort by both parties so it’s BS to place the blame on only Obama…. clearly people on both sides thought this plan was the best way to get us out of Bush’s mess. Not just McCain and not just Obama a collective of politicians got together and came up with this plan so clearly they all thought this was the best corse of action.[/QUOTE]
Huh?? Where are you getting your facts?
“The 244-188 vote was not what Mr. Obama had hoped for. A week of presidential wooing -- including a visit to the Capitol, a return visit to the White House by moderate House Republicans and a bipartisan cocktail party Wednesday night -- did not yield a single Republican vote. The president also lost 11 Democrats.”
“The Senate approved its bill most along party lines, by a vote of 61 to 37, with three Republicans joining 56 Democrats and two independents in favor.”
I would hardly call 3 Republicans a “joint effort.” You need to check the facts dude
[QUOTE]Clearly everyone involved thought it was a good plan including the guys on your side.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]And by the way McCain might have been able to pull my vote had he not chosen a f*cking moron as a running mate.[/QUOTE]
Moron? Basis? Is it because she’s a woman and conservative?
[QUOTE]Sarah Pailin was a main reason McCain didn’t stand a chance.[/QUOTE]
McCain is a RINO (Republican in Name Only) and never stood a chance.
[QUOTE]…but I also don’t think it will define Obama’s term of office.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"I'm not trying to force my values on anyone. It's a fact that polls show MOST Americans believe that abortion is murder. Liberals know that they must keep this issue in the courts because if it ever gets to the people, it will be defeated. So we'll see what happens."
Where are these polls?[/QUOTE]
I understand that polls can be inaccurate. One can say pro-life and another can say pro-choice. But here is the Gallup link (and Gallup is usually thought to be pretty reliable). I’m counting “Legal only under certain circumstances” people as pro-life for the most part (except for r ape or in cest).
[QUOTE]You are right if it got to the people it would most likely get defeated you know why? Because the people in this country for the most part are stupid[/QUOTE]
Hmmmmm pretty broad brush if you ask me.
[QUOTE]The reality TV watching desperate house wives watching MTV drones who drive their soccer mom cars while talking on their cell phones are stupid morons who will run this country into the ground.[/QUOTE]
I’m glad we’ve now defined moronic. Look, people’s interests are different. To label this set of people as morons just because they don’t do what you do or like what you like…………..I mean come on dude. If that is the standard, they have every right to call you a moron, because you don’t do as they do.
[QUOTE]There are far more stupid people voting each year then there are smart people.[/QUOTE]
Well that explains how Obama got elected then! Sorry, I couldn't waste the chance. You stepped right into it dude!
[QUOTE]Nope, people have rights and they are not people.[/QUOTE]
Well that’s where we come to the fork in the road. You can criticize my view point all you want, but to understand it, you have to understand that I do believe they are people.
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee…. Jerimiah 1:5
[QUOTE]When they are aborted they are not yet people. Science supports the law or else it wouldn’t be the law.[/QUOTE]
And you claimed I was duped by Bush. Where is this supposed science your talking about. There has NEVER been any science PROVING that fetuses are not people. There is no way it can be proven one way or another. That’s why I said lets err on the side of life. This is pure koolaid. I would like to know when you (or your science) say that life begins. When do people become people?
[QUOTE]Once again you say someone implying that it’s a person when in fact it is not a person yet or else they couldn’t abort it.[/QUOTE]
In fact????? Why, because some Supreme Court despots decided to pander to the National Organization for Women? Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right. Slavery was once legal. We interred Japanese Americans during WWII. It was legal at the time.
[QUOTE]And its not about convenience, you can down play it all you want to fit your agenda but there is more to it then that. If women gets r aped she should not have to carry the offspring of the man who r aped her.[/QUOTE]
If you go rob a bank and kill someone in the process, does the State have a right to come in and take your son and put him to death for your crime? Of course not. But that ‘s what we’re doing. Killing a child for the sin of his father. But of course, that’s only if you believe it’s a person………………….
[QUOTE]...That is just one example. And also how is it any of you business?[/QUOTE]
Murder is a concern for society.
[QUOTE]Who made you and people like you the judges of us all?[/QUOTE]
I’m not. If I was, abortion would be illegal
[QUOTE]It is not your business what anyone else does with their life.[/QUOTE]
It is society’s business if it’s murder.
[QUOTE]… we are beyond the point where we think it would be ok to do it…[/QUOTE]
Well that shows me that there are questions in your mind whether it is moral or not. Maybe you should explore those questions on a spiritual level.
[QUOTE]… And if we did it would be none of your business or anyone else’s.[/QUOTE]
Yes, because the SCJ despots have ruled that it’s legal. And we in the US are horrified, HORRORFIED by human rights abuses in China! 50 MILLION PLUS in the USA…….. We ought to give them Most Favored Nation status.
[QUOTE]“ I can line up just as many doctors and scientists that believe it is a person as you can for the other viewpoint.” Then it is an endless circle. If you can produce just as much evidence that they are people as I can that they are not people then we are at a crossroads and no one will win this debate.[/QUOTE]
I did not say evidence, I said belief.
[QUOTE]If you have just as much evidence that they are people then you and “your” (lack of a better word) people should have no problem getting a bill passed to stop abortion. What is that you say that has not happened yet? Well then I guess the other side has more evidence for their argument then your side has.[/QUOTE]
To quote you “Bullsh*t! There is no evidence.
[QUOTE]If you had the evidence to stop abortion you would stop it but you haven’t so that says to me that you don’t have as much evidence to support your argument as the pro choice side does.[/QUOTE]
Let’s get it out of the courts and see.
[QUOTE]See right now pro choice is kicking you’re a ss so I am pretty sure if you had the evidence to stop abortion you would stop it but you cant cause you don’t have the evidence to support your argument.[/QUOTE]
They’re not kicking my but t, they’re killing babies.
[QUOTE]You are right if a fetus was a person I would be a hypocrite but it’s not a person it’s a fetus.[/QUOTE]
It’s a person.
[QUOTE]… but a fetus is a fetus not a person and science supports this FACT…[/QUOTE]
Link to FACT please…….
[QUOTE]What that has to do with abortion I don’t know but thanks for bringing it up.[/QUOTE]
i.e. I would give my life for my kids even if they were in the womb. Unfortunately, this is not possible. It is possible for women though.
[QUOTE]How the he ll do you know what factored into their choice to abort?[/QUOTE]
It doesn’t matter. If it is a person (which it is) then no reason is good enough.
[QUOTE]…you sit up on your horse and judge these people for making one of the toughest choices of their lives…[/QUOTE]
Wait a minute. If it’s not a person, why is it so tough? You’re trying to have it both ways. Foul!
[QUOTE]…I know people who have made this choice and it has never once been an easy choice for any of them to make….[/QUOTE]
Then they mustn’t believe it is just a piece of tissue. They must think it could be a person. Yet, they go through with it anyway.
[QUOTE]… People make tough choices for their own reasons…[/QUOTE]
You’re going to have to explain to me why it’s a tough choice if it isn’t a person. And what reason is good enough for murder?
[QUOTE]… and you know nothing about it. Sorry but it is very ignorant for you to say what you said you have no idea why anyone does what they do and you shouldn’t pretend to know to further your argument…[/QUOTE]
I’m raising the BS flag here.
Are you calling on the name of the Lord or using His name in vain?
[QUOTE]347 could you eat the sh*t they feed you any more? You saying that they could have hidden the WMDs is speculation and hearsay…[/QUOTE]
Are you actually questioning the authenticity of those pictures? Those are MiG fighter jets buried in the sand.
[QUOTE]No I do not because Science back’s up the argument that a fetus is not a person. If it was a person then it would be murder and it would be against the law but its not a person so its not murder. When you can provide enough Science to prove my science wrong then they will change the law until then you are wrong.[/QUOTE]
I won’t belabor the point
[QUOTE]I don’t understand your logic, you say he might have played you it is possible but that it wont be the last time it happens. So you are just content with people taking advantage of your faith like that?[/QUOTE]
Ok, I take it that you have never been played or taken advantage of, or mislead?
[QUOTE]You vote for a guy because he says hey I go to the same church…[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]…and I believe in the same god so I must be a good choice! And you just eat that sh*t up like its apple pie and you are content with doing so?[/QUOTE]
I never said that. You are inferring that (Enoch, grammar check please!)
[QUOTE]Yes, religion has no place in politics. You need logic and brains not religion. Separation of Church and State.[/QUOTE]
As far as separation of Church and State goes, Thomas Jefferson, writing a letter to a concerned group of Danbury Connecticut Baptists assured them that the Federal government would not interfere with the running of any Church. That’s what he was saying. He never said check your beliefs at the door
You can read their letter to him at:
Jefferson’s response is at:
[QUOTE]You now represent the people of your state and or country and not all of them share your beliefs so leave them at the door and be fair to all.[/QUOTE]
How can anyone be fair to all. I want someone that basis his judgments on Biblical principles. You don’t. Why should your desire take precedence over mine. See? Your trying to have it both ways again.
[QUOTE]“How is it interference? Because you don't agree with it?” Yes exactly! The president represents us all not just those who think the way he does. He represents me and I don’t agree with his religion and therefore he should leave his personal belief system at the door.[/QUOTE]
Ok then my wishes won’t be taken into account. You’re disenfranchising me man. You want to apply that logic to your side of things, but won't let it apply to the other side. That is a cheap lib tactic. And I'm believing your not a cheap lib. I await your recantation.
[QUOTE]He represents us all and we are not all religious…[/QUOTE]
So what? He gets to think and make judgments the way he sees best. If you don’t like it, he was elected. I have to put up with Obama’s secular humanism, just like you had to put up with Bush’s religion. You have to get over it.
[QUOTE]. so leave it at the door and use logic and facts to make your choice and nothing else. Logic and facts and that is it.[/QUOTE]
Facts like fetuses are not people?
[QUOTE]He often talks about religion and the bible and because of that fact he is very very very well versed and knows exactly what he is talking about.[/QUOTE]
Nope. I have an Master of Arts in Religion (not that that makes me a know it all by any stretch of anyone’s imagination) but I do know a bit. And he quotes it all out of context.
[QUOTE]So what if he takes something out of context that does mean he didn’t do his home work.[/QUOTE]
No, it just means he’s distorting the facts - feeding you the koolaid.
[QUOTE]You are wrong when you say he doesn’t know what he is talking about you just don’t like what he has to say. He basically calls you and people like you morons so of course you don’t like him.[/QUOTE]
I may be a moron, but he’s a liar. He lied you know…he lied….he lied…..
[QUOTE]…Call him an A hole but don’t call him fake it just makes you sound bitter.[/QUOTE]
Nah, I’d rather call him a fake. And I'm not bitter, just disgusted.
[QUOTE]… push perfectly good republicans like Colin Powel out of his party…[/QUOTE]
Colin Powell (who I have a lot of respect for) is a RINO too.
[QUOTE]No one is trying to take over the world except maybe North Korea and the impending Zombie attack lol[/QUOTE]
Zombies?? Zombies??? Are they repelled by silver spikes?
[QUOTE]… he lied and people died.[/QUOTE]
Bill Maher lied you know. He lied….he lied…he’s a big liar….he lied. lol
[QUOTE]You didn’t answer my question, did Bush catch Bin Laden?[/QUOTE]
No, he didn’t. I guess we’ll have to pray that Obama gets lucky.
[QUOTE]Bull sh*t I don’t have to give up freedom to protect freedom that is dumb.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but that’s the way it is. Why have any laws? Why not complete anarchy? I should be able to do whatever I want, no? We regularly (with laws) put the kibosh on certain things for the good of everyone.
[QUOTE].. The Patriot Act needs to be abolished ASAP. It was one of the biggest slaps in the face in American history as far as I am concerned.[/QUOTE]
Why hasn’t Obama abolished it then?
[QUOTE]…Let me ask you this, would you be ok with one of your kids dieing for this war? Cause the parents I know who lost kids felt lied to and betrayed by their government.[/QUOTE]
If my kids felt strongly enough to go into the military and died in this war, I would respect their decision and honor their memory.
[QUOTE]I had to stay late at work to post this LOL So I am going home now I will talk to you tomorrow. When Im sure you will force me to type out another long a ss post lol have a good one man.
Posted by MVPkilla[/QUOTE]
Awaiting you rreply!