Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from murghkhor. Show murghkhor's posts

    Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    Lets forget that it can be fixed. I just don't want it to be a given that every long ball is a success. 

    We have had a horrible secondary for like 8 years now. 

    Two things are clear.

    1. We don't believe in paying up for Safeties and CBs. Infact Belichick thinks that leaguewide CB rates have gone bonkers and believes CBs are way overpaid. 

    2. We suck at fixing from the draft. We have picked a Safety or CB or both in 1st or 2nd round in each of last 6 years and have nothing to show for it. Look at these draft picks.

    2007 Brandon Merriweather Rd 1 - Serviceable - Released after rookie contract
    2008 Terrence Wheatley Rd 2 - Bust
    2009 Patrick Chung  Rd 1 - Serviceable - Will probably be released end of this year
    2009 Darius Butler Rd 2 - Bust
    2010 Devin McCourty Rd 1 - Borderline Bust
    2011 Ras-I-Dowling Rd2 - Unknown but haven't seen anything yet
    2012 Tavon Wilson Rd 2 - Unknown but haven't seen anything yet

    So we suck at drafting these. We refuse to pay market rates for these. What the hell can we do?

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    score in the redzone

     
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    Forget it even if the best safety or CB were available BB wouldn't go for it because he won't pay for decent secondary players. Been that way since he let Ty Law go. Now that Brady has slowed up a bit and the Oline has problems the D problems of not being able to get the key stop when required are magnified.

     
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    So maybe we should get these CBs and safeties to blitz every play. I mean, we can't stop the pass once the ball is in the air. So maybe we just need to blitz to stop the ball from going in the air. 

     
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    Pats had the $$$ to sign Webb, Carr, Finnegan or Gholston. They opted for Gregory, Gallery and Fells as well as other depth. 

    Pats also could have traded up at the expense of Hightower for Barren or Harrison. They also could have gambled on Jenkins.

    Talent was available, as were dollars and assets(draft choices). The decisions made this offseason will haunt the team all season. 

     

     
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    The problem is not personnel.

    The problem is the vanilla - no blitz - no pressure BB defense.  There aren't any DBs who can succeed in the BB system.

     

     

     
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    I'm pretty sure we need a new secondary coach too. It seems like these guys regress after coming out from college not improve. I know for one that McCourty use to look back for the ball now never does. The only DB on the team that actually looks back is Dennard and he's a rook. No one else looks back. That should be coaching 101 but it looks like they are being trained to not look back and try to face gaurd

     
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    The team needs a lot of new coaches.

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    In response to Bunker Spreckels' comment:
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    I believe NE's offense was 1/6 in the red zone in the second half. Two groundings (1 right before halftime), 2 Ints. Show me any offense on the road against a good D that wins games like that.

    It doesn't exist. Brady was abysmal. Any QBs we can trade for? lol

    Seattle had nothing to lose, played carefree and saw NE as a measuring stick game and our offense set his game up for failure with inept play in the second half in particular.

    Very similar to a 2009 loss where the Pats offense would literallly do nothing in the second half, score a FG or zero points, go 3 and out and not run the ball and then lose.

    See @ Denver, @NYJ or @ Miami for examples that year.

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    Brady had his worse game of the year. Zero holes available to run all day. Wet ball, Gronk, Welker and Hernandez not st 100%. 

    Defense had to win this game and had a lead to work with. They could not do it. This does not excuse the offense, but 23 points sgainst the Hawks should be enough to win. 

    Hurts to say next week Pats play the first place Jets, doesnt it?

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from NOISE. Show NOISE's posts

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    In response to Schumpeters-Ghost's comment:
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    The problem is not personnel.

    The problem is the vanilla - no blitz - no pressure BB defense.  There aren't any DBs who can succeed in the BB system.

     

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    YOUR EXACTLY RIGHT SCHUMP!! 

    The secondary isn't going to change, they need to get after the QB with the front 7, to help out the secondary.  It's probably the best way at this point to help out the secondary....The Defense has NO imagination to get after the QB....Not sure how many more games like this BB needs to go thru before HE changes this up some! C'mon man....

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:
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    Pats had the $$$ to sign Webb, Carr, Finnegan or Gholston. They opted for Gregory, Gallery and Fells as well as other depth. 

    Pats also could have traded up at the expense of Hightower for Barren or Harrison. They also could have gambled on Jenkins.

    Talent was available, as were dollars and assets(draft choices). The decisions made this offseason will haunt the team all season. 

     

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    NE was never looking to sign Gholston. You are clueless.  Webb was also not a FA and just blew his leg out.  You love names on the jerseys and players from other teams, but you don't know the game of football.

    You also praise Sanchez. LMAO

    Tom Brady SUCKED on the road yesterday. That is our problem right there. Falling asleep on offense, looking lost, bad game management, etc, is pathetic from our 20 mil per year QB.

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    Gholston was a free agent and signable. Webb was a resrticted free agent and signable.

    Are you refering to the first place in the division Sanchez? LMAO

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    Tom Brady SUCKED? Really dude? Sucked so bad that we had a 23-10 lead in the 4th quarter. Yes it was not his finest game, but HE didn't let the other team come back and score 14 more points to win the game in the final 8 minutes of the ball game.

     
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    In response to Bunker Spreckels' comment:
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    Vernon Gholston is a LB. We know you love the Jets, but he's not even in the NFL, moron. Webb was restricted, yes, which means it would have taken some kind of compensation to get him.

    He's just another trendy name you see dropped on the board here that you use to try to sound smart.

    You're a dope. Sanchez blows and you think he's good. LMAO

    Sanchez outplayed Brady yesterday. Truth hurts. Our HOF QB just isn't as focused as he used to be.

     

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    C'mon. Even you are not thst out of touch. Safety Dashon Gholdson made a free sgent visit with the Pats

     
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    In response to Wilforkfitinham's comment:
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    Tom Brady SUCKED? Really dude? Sucked so bad that we had a 23-10 lead in the 4th quarter. Yes it was not his finest game, but HE didn't let the other team come back and score 14 more points to win the game in the final 8 minutes of the ball game.

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    Tom did suck this game, but there still isn't another QB I would want on the team. I'm sorry but 2 intentional grounding calls really. 1 of which cost them 3 points at the half. Then 2 ints, one in the end zone and the other on Sea's side of the ball. The one in the end zone was at least another 3 points because of where they were in field goal position. It was just poor decision making on Bradys part. The first int is excussible but there is no excuse for 2 intentional grounding penalties and that second int. Not to mention the 1 and 6 in the red zone. That shouldn't have to this O regardless of conditions.

    Brady just simply had an off day like he has every so often and the rest of the team from the coaching staff to ST (punt coverage really) to the D couldn't pick it up just like in recent years

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    In response to PatsEng's comment:
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    I'm pretty sure we need a new secondary coach too. It seems like these guys regress after coming out from college not improve. I know for one that McCourty use to look back for the ball now never does. The only DB on the team that actually looks back is Dennard and he's a rook. No one else looks back. That should be coaching 101 but it looks like they are being trained to not look back and try to face gaurd

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    secondary coach... that's the key. how many DBs have they had back there? not one seems to have worked out well. and yes, the fact that everyone has the same bad habit of not looking back tells you that there is something wrong with the instruction -- either the DBs are instructed to play the same way DBs played before the re-emphasis on PI rules or they are not getting instruction on technique at all. 

    contrast that versus the OL where it does not matter who steps up, it seems like a smooth transition everytime.

     

     

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